Talk:Global blocks

Kapan di buka blokirnya 114.10.20.78 03:56, 20 February 2022 (UTC) Reply

The global block on your range expires on 11 March. Since the block only applies to IPs, you can use another network to create an account and use that to edit under your current IP.
If you are not able to connect another network, You can email stewards(_AT_)wikimedia(_DOT_)org to request them to create an account for you to edit with global block exemption, indicating your current IP. --94rain ^Talk 04:28, 20 February 2022 (UTC) Reply

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Hi Tayefsunshine do you need help?--Pierpao (talk) 20:55, 18 March 2022 (UTC) Reply

Hi Why my IP address block 103.25.248.242 12:02, 16 March 2022 (UTC) Reply

Please sir help IP address block. How can I unlocked IP address Wcyflow (talk) 23:25, 5 May 2022 (UTC) Reply

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Indeed, there's been a few IPv6 Tor exits which have not been blocked by TorBlock and required manual blocks ip 197.130.138.84 197.130.138.84 20:17, 4 June 2022 (UTC) Reply

Why is the IPv6 CIDR limit 19? The last available username (talk) 18:04, 28 January 2023 (UTC) Reply

This topic was originally discussed at Talk:Global_locks and moved with all contributions because it was misplaced there. Freifunk (German for: "free radio") is a non-commercial open grassroots initiative to support free computer networks in the German region. Today a user reported that he is blocked from editing when he is connected to the Internet via Freifunk. See related discussion in German Wikipedia. I could confirm that, and the block even works when I am logged in.

What is the reason for Freifunk addresses being blocked? The error message says "No open proxys" are allowed. Why is Freifunk treated differently from other free wireless networks? Stefan Weil (talk) 19:16, 27 August 2023 (UTC) Reply

This ist not a global lock but rather a global block. Freifunk networks usually work as VPN connection which are prohibited per No open proxies. If you want to discuss changing the current policy I suggest raising this issue e.g. at Wikimedia Forum or Talk:No open proxies. Johannnes89 (talk) 20:06, 27 August 2023 (UTC) Reply

I am the other user @Stefan Weil mentioned above. Here a longer info from me https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help_Forum#Screenshot_of_Freifunk_IPs_blocked_from_editing_wikipedia_relevant? in English and here my uploaded screenshot https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia-blocks-freifunk-from-editing.png .

@Johannnes89 "Freifunk networks usually work as VPN connection which are prohibited per No open proxies." I do not know how exactly Freifunk works since I never set up one myself, I just use them from time to time. Rava77 (talk) 20:10, 27 August 2023 (UTC) Reply

@Rava77 it says so at de:Freifunk#Technik. If the networks are set up in a different way, they should not be affected by proxy blocks. As a registered user I can grant you (as well as @Stefan Weil) IP block exempt at dewiki if both of you are affected by these blocks. Johannnes89 (talk) 20:21, 27 August 2023 (UTC) Reply

@Johannnes89 I am affected, but I am on en.wikipedia, de.wikipedia and mediawiki (mainly the two wikipedia ones). But to start with one IP block exempt out of three is sure a very good start, so I gladly take it. Thanks a lot Johannnes. --Rava77 (talk) 20:49, 27 August 2023 (UTC) Reply

I recommend reading en:WP:IP block exemption to find out how to request IPBE at enwiki.

You never edited at mediawiki according to Special:CentralAuth/Rava77. If you're talking about Commons or Meta, there is c:Commons:IP block exemption and Meta:IP block exemption. If you are in fact talking about mediawiki I recommend reading mw:Project:IP block exemption.

There is also the option to request Global IP block exemptions if you are affected on multiple wikis, but in your case I think local exemptions will be sufficient. Johannnes89 (talk) 09:25, 28 August 2023 (UTC) Reply

@Johannnes89 @Stefan Weil I saw the notification about the dewiki block exemption - but seems the global block on all Wikimedia Foundation wikis overwrites that dewiki block exemption. Here the screenshot from a few minutes ago when trying to edit on dewiki via Freifunk: https://abload.de/img/block_2023年08月28日_12-1cnc16.png Could it be the only thing that would work is indeed a Global IP block exemption? --Rava77 (talk) 10:33, 28 August 2023 (UTC) Reply

@Rava77 that's impossible (unless there's a bug), local IP block exemption overrides local and global blocks [1]. Did you make sure you were logged in while trying to edit at dewiki? Johannnes89 (talk) 10:45, 28 August 2023 (UTC) Reply

Thank you, Johannes, for adding an exemption for my user account, although it was not necessary. I have a lot of IP addresses which I can use, so an IP block does not affect me very much. Stefan Weil (talk) 11:13, 28 August 2023 (UTC) Reply

Citing Global blocks#Guidelines: "Global blocks should, wherever practicable and sensible, be placed with the anonymous only flag on". If I understand that correctly, it is possible to limit global blocks to anonymous users. That should even be the default. So an IP block exempt should be unnecessary. Stefan Weil (talk) 07:23, 28 August 2023 (UTC) Reply

Freifunk tunnels connections. It is not an open proxy. And from the perspective of the Wikimedia servers there is no difference to other Internet access methods. Those servers see an IP address of the client. That IP address can change any time and belongs to an IP subnet. And sometimes other clients in the same subnet misuse it. But Wikimedia does not block T-Online, Deutsche Bahn, or other providers. Most private Internet connections from home don't get a static IP address, but also one from a subnet which is used by bad clients at the same time. Mediawiki does not block those. But it blocks Freifunk which is used by a lot of people. That's simply discrimination and against the principles of Wikipedia! Technical exceptions for single users don't solve that fundamental problem! Stefan Weil (talk) 06:17, 28 August 2023 (UTC) Reply

Dear co-authors, as Johannes has pointed out, I started this discussion at the wrong place. I suggest to move all our comments from here to the right place at Talk:Global blocks. Do you agree? Stefan Weil (talk) 07:27, 28 August 2023 (UTC) Reply

Go ahead an move it to the appropriate talk page.

Deutsche Bahn wifi is usually affected by global blocks as well, just like most connections that hide your devices IP address from Wikimedia servers. And „Mediawiki" doesn't block anything, its individual stewards (or on a local level sysops) blocking proxy / VPN connections. Johannnes89 (talk) 09:19, 28 August 2023 (UTC) Reply

So @‪Stanglavine‬, @Martin Urbanec, why did you add blocks for 94.130.0.0/16 (Hetzner datacenter) and 81.95.0.0/20 (Core-Backbone) – even without setting the anonymous only flag – which blocks not only numerous Freifunk users, but also other customers of those providers? Stefan Weil (talk) 10:34, 28 August 2023 (UTC) Reply

Any private Internet connection usually hides my device's IP address from Wikimedia's servers. I don't think anyone wants to restrict editing to universities, companies and similar entities that provide unique IP addresses. Stefan Weil (talk) 10:38, 28 August 2023 (UTC) Reply

Hello, @Johannnes89.

I insist on my change, see: diff ([2]):

"Globally blocked IP addresses that cause disruption on Meta may additionally be locally blocked on Meta platform."

Because this change: "on Meta platform" -- will stop some administrators form misusing the rules, and blocking users locally on wiki-local platforms. And that change will clarify the meaning of the sentence: "local" in sence -- this Meta platform, rather than "local" -- as national platform.

Otherwise I would better suggest the change:

"Globally blocked IP addresses that cause disruption on Meta may additionally be blocked on Meta platform.",

or

"Globally blocked IP addresses that cause disruption on Meta may additionally be blocked on Meta."

So I insist on changes.

Appeal for third party: @Elton, @Martin Urbanec

Hedgehog the Great (talk) 14:56, 20 August 2024 (UTC) Reply

@Hedgehog the Great the text currently says that globally blocked IP addresses are blocked on all projects except Meta and continues: "Globally blocked IP addresses that cause disruption on Meta may additionally be locally blocked" – locally in this context can only mean metawiki. Therefore there is no need to change the text. Johannnes89 (talk) 17:22, 20 August 2024 (UTC) Reply

Also, no one calls this project the "Meta platform". — xaosflux ^Talk 18:28, 20 August 2024 (UTC) Reply

@Xaosflux

Word project can be used for local projects on Wikipedia, like: History, Medicine, Music, Biology etc. projects.

By using word platform we would mean something that lays in basis, we would mean rather separate system or subsystem.

Thought in some cases both of words can be used. Hedgehog the Great (talk) 09:25, 21 August 2024 (UTC) Reply

@Johannnes89, when we write "may additionally be locally blocked", we could have confusion with local national (language) platform: en.wiki, fr.wiki, es.wiki, ua.wiki etc.. And more problems will arise for those who will be translating english version of page into other languages, because for them "local" could mean national. On adition stait machinary translation of the text could lead to misinterpretation, and the correct translation could not be aceppted.

Word local here leads to confusion especially for those who translate the page into other languages.

Hedgehog the Great (talk) 09:17, 21 August 2024 (UTC) Reply

@Johannnes89, @Xaosflux

In other case we can try to use something like:

1. "Globally blocked IP addresses that cause disruption on Meta may additionally be blocked on this project."
2. "Globally blocked IP addresses that cause disruption on Meta may additionally be blocked on Meta project."
3. "Globally blocked IP addresses that cause disruption on Meta may additionally be blocked here."

/without italic, of course/ Hedgehog the Great (talk) 09:29, 21 August 2024 (UTC) Reply

@Johannnes89 I think that the version

1. "Globally blocked IP addresses that cause disruption on Meta may additionally be blocked on this project."

looks as the best choice, so that will be the change. Hedgehog the Great (talk) 07:41, 22 August 2024 (UTC) Reply