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ContentsYes • No • Neutral
  • Languages: sq-N, en-N, it-3
  • Personal info: (English)
    Hello! I'm Klein Muçi and I'm a crat coming from SqWiki where I've been an active member since 2013. My online activity mostly deals with so-called "tech-stuff" like extensions, tools, modules, bot approval, system messages, edit filters and interface changes in regard to projects standardization and new-user friendly optimization. Offline I'm active as a wiki-tutor in my country where I help new users learn the basics of the WikiWorld and not-so-new users tackle different tech-problems they may encounter. It is usually through these workshops where most of the aforementioned interface changes originate. Outside of SqWiki, I'm mostly active in MediaWiki/WikiTech/Phabricator/ToolForge tech-spaces where I try to help (and learn!) as much as I can. Because of this I believe I recently got invited at the Wikimedia Hackathon 2023 as one of the "top Gerrit contributors in the Wikimedia area in 2022" but I would say that most of my patches through that time were actually typo fixes instead of code working per se so take that notice with a grain of salt. I'm also active occasionally in SWViewer. When I'm not dealing with any particular project, I find checking the stream for vandalisms while listening to music can be a pretty relaxing activity to pass time. (Actually going through the 2022 talk archives of SWViewer you'll see that I've been a tiny bit involved in some of its technical features too.) Other privileges I currently hold maybe worth of mentioning are admin and interface admin at SqWiki, admin at SqQuote and translator admin and campaign editor at Commons. I've also applied as a volunteer on the back-then-called-OTRS on 2022 but apparently there weren't any help requests coming from Albanian speaking people at the time so there wasn't too much I could do subsequently and was put on hold indefinitely. I can interact in English and Albanian in a native level and I believe to be decent enough in Italian too. I've also been studying Latin for quite some years now (usus est magister optimus) but I doubt that will be of interest in steward duties. This is the third time in a row (and maybe the last) I take part in the Stewards Elections. You can find my old statements in here and here. I've been involved with Wikimedia for 10 years now and I believe I've gained from it as much as I've given it back. I've enjoyed this relationship and I've tried to help wherever I can. This is a continuation of that relationship.
  • Questions: See Stewards/Elections 2023/Questions#Klein Muçi
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Yes(追記) (追記ここまで)

  1. MF-Warburg (Eligible, checked by Zabe)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Like last year, I think Klein Muçi is a compelling candidate who would do well as a steward and I hope the community at large will agree and give them the mop this time. MF-W 21:00, 5 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  2. Ferien (Eligible, checked by Zabe)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • I think Klein Muçi will be really helpful as a steward especially on the technical side. I don't feel we should expect the same amount of crosswiki anti-vandalism work from every steward if they are helpful in other ways. --Ferien (talk) 21:02, 5 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  3. Stïnger (Eligible, checked by Zabe)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • I'm convinced this time. I believe he will be very helpful. --Stïnger (会話) 21:15, 5 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  4. Jusjih (Eligible, checked by Zabe)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • We need more new stewards to check and balance questionable ones. Jusjih (talk) 21:17, 5 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  5. Harej (Eligible, checked by Zabe)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Harej (talk) 21:17, 5 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  6. Uncitoyen (Eligible, checked by Zabe)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • I think he is more ready this year than past nominations in last years. --Uncitoyen talk 21:18, 5 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  7. Jan.Kamenicek (Eligible, checked by Zabe)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Jan Kameníček (talk) 22:16, 5 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  8. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (Eligible, checked by Zabe)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Worth a try. ~~~~
    User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk)     22:20, 5 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  9. Rschen7754 (Eligible, checked by Ferien)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • I think this year is the year. Rs chen 7754 22:25, 5 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  10. ToBeFree (Eligible, checked by Ferien)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • ToBeFree (talk) 22:46, 5 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  11. Marshallsumter (Eligible, checked by Fehufanga)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Thanks for your help on Wikiversity! --Marshallsumter (talk) 23:26, 5 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  12. Giraffer (Eligible, checked by Zabe)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Giraffer (talk) 23:44, 5 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  13. Lookruk (Eligible, checked by Fehufanga)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • My first stewards vote! --Lookruk 💬 (Talk) 23:45, 5 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  14. Vogone (Eligible, checked by Fehufanga)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Vogone (talk) 23:59, 5 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  15. TheresNoTime (Eligible, checked by Fehufanga)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • — TheresNoTime (talk • they/them) 00:13, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  16. Gharouni (Eligible, checked by Fehufanga)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Gharouni Talk 02:08, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  17. BRPever (Eligible, checked by Fehufanga)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Can't say no to someone with their level of motivation and dedication to the Wikimedia communities. Yes, in the hope that they will ask questions whenever unsure, and discuss issues as they arise before acting with the tools. BRP ever 02:27, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  18. Fehufanga (Eligible, checked by Ferien)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • --*Fehufangą ♮ ✉ Talk page ♮ 02:31, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  19. AlPaD (Eligible, checked by MdsShakil)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • AlPaD (talk) 05:28, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  20. BuddhikaW88 (Eligible, checked by Mtarch11)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • BuddhikaW88 (talk) 06:02, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  21. Arado Ar 196 (Eligible, checked by Mtarch11)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Arado Ar 196 (talk) 06:05, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  22. Leaderboard (Eligible, checked by Ferien)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • As with previous years. Non-standard but competent. Good answers to the questions even if a bit unconventional, irrespective of who set it (with particular praise to the way you handled User:1234qwer1234qwer4's follow-up from my question, which was unexpected in a good way, and you were the only one to give a significantly different answer to the question I set for all candidates). Remember that this is a steward role, not a global sysop application. Leaderboard (talk) 07:12, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
    Leaderboard, thank you for the detailed comment. Your questions and "reviews" have been an element I've grown to look forward during these 3 years of elections and something I'll probably miss experiencing firsthand after this year. I'll be aware of your advice. — Klein Muçi (talk) 11:20, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  23. HakanIST (Eligible, checked by Fehufanga)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • HakanIST (talk) 07:48, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  24. M4tinbeigi (Eligible, checked by Fehufanga)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Rick Sanchez (talk) 07:50, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  25. WikiBayer (Eligible, checked by Zabe)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • WikiBayer 👤💬 08:00, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  26. Thingofme (Eligible, checked by SHB2000)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • I think Klein Muçi has improved over the last year or so and so I will support you this time. Thingofme (talk) 10:20, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  27. Lemonaka (Eligible, checked by MdsShakil)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Lemonaka (talk) 13:17, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  28. TarPas (Eligible, checked by MdsShakil)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • TarPas (talk) 13:34, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  29. Styyx (Eligible, checked by MdsShakil)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • ~Styyx Talk? 13:34, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  30. Baekemm (Eligible, checked by MdsShakil)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Baekemm (talk) 13:59, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  31. DaSupremo (Eligible, checked by Johannnes89)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • daSupremo 14:30, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  32. Richardkiwi (Eligible, checked by Johannnes89)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Richardkiwi (talk) 14:37, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  33. KPX8 (Eligible, checked by Sdrqaz)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • KPX8 (talk) 15:46, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  34. Arianit (Eligible, checked by Ferien)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Klein is thoughtful contributor to many projects. I'm sure Meta will make good use of his work. Arianit (talk) 17:03, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  35. Demetrius Talpa (Eligible, checked by Ferien)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Demetrius Talpa (talk) 17:27, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  36. Eihel (Eligible, checked by Ferien)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Eihel (talk) 18:14, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  37. Miraclepine (Eligible, checked by Ferien)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • ミラP@Miraclepine 18:56, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  38. YarikUkraine (Eligible, checked by Giraffer)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • YarikUkraine (talk) 20:17, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  39. Bluerasberry (Eligible, checked by Ferien)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Bluerasberry (talk) 21:05, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  40. Joseywales1961 (Eligible, checked by Martin Urbanec)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Joseywales1961 (talk) 22:03, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  41. Bernd Bergmann (Eligible, checked by Johannnes89)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Bernd Bergmann (talk) 22:08, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  42. Heavy Water (Eligible, checked by EchidnaLives)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Too valuable a prospect for stewardship to lose over lack of xwiki contributions concerns. Heavy Water (talk) 22:09, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  43. EchidnaLives (Eligible, checked by Johannnes89)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • echidnaLives (enwp) - talk 22:10, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  44. Tumbuka Arch (Eligible, checked by Fehufanga)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Tumbuka Arch ★★★ 22:21, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  45. Érico (Eligible, checked by Sdrqaz)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Érico (talk) 23:38, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  46. WPEditor42 (Eligible, checked by Sdrqaz)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Klein Muçi has extensive experience with Wikipedia, a good reputation, speaks multiple languages and has the essential skills for a steward. I believe they are a good candidate for a steward. I hope they will be helpful for the Wikimedia community. WPEditor42 (talk) 23:50, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  47. IJzeren Jan (Eligible, checked by Sdrqaz)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • IJzeren Jan (talk) 23:54, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  48. Mahir256 (Eligible, checked by Fehufanga)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Mahir256 (talk) 01:18, 7 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  49. Miniapolis (Eligible, checked by Fehufanga)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Mini apolis 01:29, 7 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  50. Tvcccp (Eligible, checked by Sdrqaz)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Tvcccp (talk) 01:44, 7 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  51. Vyolltsa (Eligible, checked by SHB2000)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Vyolltsa (talk) 08:22, 7 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  52. Пан Хаунд (Eligible, checked by Johannnes89)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Пан Хаунд (talk) 08:51, 7 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  53. Ritamaliqi (Eligible, checked by Johannnes89)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Ritamaliqi (talk) 09:52, 7 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  54. Antoine.b (Eligible, checked by Johannnes89)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Antoine.b (talk) 11:43, 7 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  55. MZaplotnik (Eligible, checked by Johannnes89)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • MZaplotnik (talk) 11:47, 7 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  56. Flossenträger (Eligible, checked by Johannnes89)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • verweis=User_talk:Flossenträger 11:56, 7 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  57. Aeternus (Eligible, checked by Fehufanga)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Aeternus (talk) 13:21, 7 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  58. Berishasinan (Eligible, checked by Johannnes89)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Berishasinan (talk) 13:31, 7 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  59. Qendrimi15 (Eligible, checked by Johannnes89)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Qendrimi15 (talk) 15:53, 7 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  60. Cyfraw (Eligible, checked by MdsShakil)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • cyrfaw (talk) 17:47, 7 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  61. Zafer (Eligible, checked by Ferien)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Zafer (talk) 19:22, 7 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  62. Drenisa (Verification pending) • Yes. I don't know why, but that's the only way I could vote!--Drenisa (talk) 19:41, 7 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  63. KPFC (Verification pending) • KPFC 💬 20:03, 7 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]

No(追記) (追記ここまで)

  1. Daniuu (Eligible, checked by Zabe)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • I'm sorry, I'm still not sufficiently convinced: the answers to some of the questions don't really satisfy me. This includes some concerns on the lack of antivandalism work and cross-wiki experience in general. Daniuu (talk) 21:20, 5 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  2. Martin Urbanec (Eligible, checked by Zabe)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Unfortunately, I don't see any significant change (compared to Klein's prior attempts). Thanks for volunteering, but I'm not convinced at this point. Martin Urbanec (talk) 21:24, 5 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  3. Minorax (Eligible, checked by Fehufanga)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Per Martin. --Minorax «¦talk¦» 02:07, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  4. Mtarch11 (Eligible, checked by Sdrqaz)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Mtarch11 (talk) 03:04, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  5. SHB2000 (Eligible, checked by MdsShakil)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • I'm still not convinced there's been much change since the last two candidacies; this includes their limited x-wiki activity. SHB2000 (talk | contribs) 05:00, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
    (削除) ドラみそ (削除ここまで)(Not eligible, checked by Mtarch11) • ドラみそ (talk) 05:30, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  6. Tommes (Eligible, checked by Johannnes89)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • --Tommes (talk) 07:37, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  7. ImprovedWikiImprovment (Eligible, checked by Taavi)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Not convinced that cross-wiki experience is enough. IWI (talk) 10:50, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  8. Mapatxea (Eligible, checked by Taavi)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Mapatxea (talk) 10:54, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  9. Minilammas (Eligible, checked by SHB2000)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • --Minilammas (talk) 12:14, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  10. Mustafa MVC (Eligible, checked by Sdrqaz)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Mustafa MVC (talk) 15:21, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  11. Victor Schmidt (Eligible, checked by Martin Urbanec)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Not convinced by their x-wiki experience, nor by their responses to some of the questions, including but not limited to the one on lock reasons Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:08, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
    Victor Schmidt, hello! May I know what should have been different on my answer according to you on that particular question you mention about lock reasons? Constructive critics make one better and this is a good chance for me in regard to that. — Klein Muçi (talk) 13:57, 7 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  12. Kadı (Eligible, checked by Giraffer)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Kadı Message 20:05, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  13. ZI Jony (Eligible, checked by Giraffer)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • I'm not convinced at this time because I don't see any significant cross-wikis activity. Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 20:18, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  14. Themanwithnowifi (Eligible, checked by SHB2000)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Per Daniuu Themanwithnowifi (talk) 06:40, 7 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  15. Renvoy (Eligible, checked by Johannnes89)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Thanks for your long-time dedication to the project, but unfortunately that's no from me. I carefully analyzed your answers to questions and, although, I see great competence in some areas, I am worried about your knowledge of stewards' actions that take place most frequently in public view as all your answers include some sort of inaccuracy. reNVoy (user talk) 11:41, 7 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
    Renvoy, thank you for the good words! May I have a general idea about the said inaccuracies so I can hopefully better myself in those aspects? — Klein Muçi (talk) 13:53, 7 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
    @Klein Muçi For example, your explanation of Lock evasion was: Same user, different accounts opened for the reason to evade a block that was given to a prior account However it implies that every user which is involved in sockpuppetry anywhere can be globally locked. This is not the case. Global locks are put in place in case of WMF ban evasion or global b(lock) that was already in place. Your explanation of Spambot: User doing disruptive edits of an automatic nature (a lot of the same edit everywhere fast). In most of the cases from my experience, it is different. Take a look a this: account was rightfully so locked but user had only one edit. Higher xwiki activity from your side would be perfect way of learning such things, so I hope you would take it into account. reNVoy (user talk) 14:25, 7 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
    @Renvoy:, I'll respectfully disagree with you on both points - the reason I'm replying to this is because I'd like to see if I'm missing something. Regarding your first point, I don't get your reasoning. Regarding your second point, in the above example you linked, (1) a account making a spam edit is not necessarily a spambot, and (2) prior edits could have well been caught by abuse filters. As a result, I don't see Klein's answer to that question as incorrect - other candidates have answered similarly. Leaderboard (talk) 15:58, 7 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
    Renvoy, you say However it implies that every user which is involved in sockpuppetry anywhere can be globally locked. It's hard for me to understand where I've made such an implication in my statement. I only answered about the definition of the term. I've talked on multiple answers about the importance of having your decisions taken in an organic manner, not bureaucratically. Equalizing lock evasion (or any other similar concept/term for that matter) with the decision to globally lock an account would be contrary of that expressed ideology. It comes with big surprise to me to read that I might have accidentally made such an implication.

    As for spambots, I can't judge properly on the example you've brought because I have no context. I can't see that one edit that account had made or the content of the 2 filters that were activated because of its edits given that their content is private. Extrapolating from the mentioned names of the 2 filters I'm guessing that we're talking about this case. Having a well-known case repeated may explain why it was acted upon rather fast. But still, as Leaderboard mentioned, a lot of the same edit may have still happened and blocked by the filters that are mentioned in the accompanying request. In any case, as a new steward I'd be somewhat reluctant to act quickly on blocks.

    All that said, thank you for your answer! If anything else, I'll try to be even more aware of the different interpretations my future replies can have. — Klein Muçi (talk) 17:14, 7 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  16. ValeriySh (Eligible, checked by Syunsyunminmin)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • ValeriySh (talk) 15:44, 7 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]

Neutral(追記) (追記ここまで)

  1. Monredo (Eligible, checked by Zabe)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Monredo (talk) 21:38, 5 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  2. Hehua (Eligible, checked by Sdrqaz)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Hehua (talk) 01:41, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  3. Rachmat04 (Eligible, checked by Fehufanga)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • ··· 🌸 Rachmat04 · ☕ 02:11, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  4. Johannnes89 (Eligible, checked by MdsShakil)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • thanks for volunteering, but xwiki activity is too low for me to support Johannnes89 (talk) 08:14, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  5. Camouflaged Mirage (Eligible, checked by SHB2000)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • I voted in moral support last year after opposing the year before, I think their persistence and enthusiasm should be commended, and their answers are adequate. However, I also agree with the opposes citing lack of crosswiki experience and I don't see that improving this year either. On the balance, I am on the fence this time. Thanks for volunteering as always and glad to see your love for the movement. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 11:23, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  6. Drummingman (Eligible, checked by Ferien)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Drummingman (talk) 15:40, 6 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  7. 稲垣啓二 (Eligible, checked by Fehufanga)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • 稲垣啓二 (talk) 10:27, 7 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  8. Nastya K (Eligible, checked by Johannnes89)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Nasteysha❤️ (talk) 11:23, 7 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  9. Mardetanha (Eligible, checked by Johannnes89)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Mardetanha (talk) 14:28, 7 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
  10. Bencemac (Eligible, checked by MdsShakil)(削除) 2023 (削除ここまで) • Bencemac (talk) 18:55, 7 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]

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