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Made Russian translation less formal to player #94

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Wuzzy merged 2 commits from vintprox/Repixture:locale-ru-informalize into master 2023年03月18日 15:52:43 +01:00
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Solves #93.

With this PR, I hope to bring more friendlier tone when it comes to game-player interaction for Russian audience. It builds upon the job done in #62.

In detail, edits only reflect how pronoun "вы" is transformed to pronoun "ты" with adjacent verb forms. It doesn't touch upon punctuation nor sense. Hence, I would like it to be merged before providing the new translations, so they can just follow the same tone.

There was a tiny thing with pronouns in rp_locks where you try to include a feminine suffix to the verb or rewrite it so gender doesn't matter. I opt in to the second option, as it's more neutral and still follows the informalized tone.

Solves #93. With this PR, I hope to bring more friendlier tone when it comes to game-player interaction for Russian audience. It builds upon the job done in #62. In detail, edits only reflect how pronoun "`вы`" is transformed to pronoun "`ты`" with adjacent verb forms. It doesn't touch upon punctuation nor sense. Hence, I would like it to be merged before providing the new translations, so they can just follow the same tone. There was a tiny thing with pronouns in `rp_locks` where you try to include a feminine suffix to the verb or rewrite it so gender doesn't matter. I opt in to the second option, as it's more neutral and still follows the informalized tone.
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@1 has broken into your locked chest!=@1 взломал
You have broken the lock!=Вы взломали замок!
You have broken into your own locked chest!=Вы взломали свой же запертый сундук!
You have broken the lock!=Тобою взломан замок!
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Here comes gender neutral thingie. It uses passive voice to avoid using feminine suffix on the verb (взломал(а)). Sounds OK-ish to me, but maybe @rudzik8 has something to say about it.

Here comes gender neutral thingie. It uses passive voice to avoid using feminine suffix on the verb (`взломал(а)`). Sounds OK-ish to me, but maybe @rudzik8 has something to say about it.
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Repixture makes no assumptions or implications about gender. In particular, the translation must never make any assumption about the gender of the player or player character.

This includes translations. If gender-neutrality is not perfectly possible here, trying to do some kind of workaround is also fine. Translations don't have to be 100% literal as long the sense is still caried over.

Repixture makes no assumptions or implications about gender. In particular, the translation must never make any assumption about the gender of the player or player character. This includes translations. If gender-neutrality is not perfectly possible here, trying to do some kind of workaround is also fine. Translations don't have to be 100% literal as long the sense is still caried over.
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No player.=Нет игроков.
Nearest village is @1 at @2.=Ближайшая деревня - @1 на @2
You need the "maphack" privilege to use this.=Вам нужна привилегия "maphack" чтобы это использовать.
You need the "maphack" privilege to use this.=Тебе нужна привилегия "maphack" чтобы это использовать.
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I know it's an automated privileges response, but I'm trying to hold the same tone here.

I know it's an automated privileges response, but I'm trying to hold the same tone here.
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Reverted via 415e3af4b2.

Reverted via https://codeberg.org/Wuzzy/Repixture/commit/415e3af4b2045638a26299450973b9eec7bc0dd3.
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Hey, thanks!

Hmmm, so I see you also used informal tone for command help.
I suggest for commands to use the same tone as for the built-in Minetest commands, for consistency. Can you check the current Russian translation of Minetest?

If it's the same tone, great. If not, one of the two translations should change IMHO. Because it would be awkward if /help has a weid mix of tones.

Hey, thanks! Hmmm, so I see you also used informal tone for command help. I suggest for commands to use the same tone as for the built-in Minetest commands, for consistency. Can you check the current Russian translation of Minetest? If it's the same tone, great. If not, one of the two translations should change IMHO. Because it would be awkward if `/help` has a weid mix of tones.
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Hmmm, so I see you also used informal tone for command help.
I suggest for commands to use the same tone as for the built-in Minetest commands, for consistency. Can you check the current Russian translation of Minetest?

Makes sense. I was hesitant, too. Just reverted this tone.

If it's the same tone, great. If not, one of the two translations should change IMHO. Because it would be awkward if /help has a weid mix of tones.

There is only one such line. Correct me if I'm wrong.

> Hmmm, so I see you also used informal tone for command help. > I suggest for commands to use the same tone as for the built-in Minetest commands, for consistency. Can you check the current Russian translation of Minetest? Makes sense. I was hesitant, too. Just reverted this tone. > If it's the same tone, great. If not, one of the two translations should change IMHO. Because it would be awkward if `/help` has a weid mix of tones. There is only one such line. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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No player.=Нет игроков.
Nearest village is @1 at @2.=Ближайшая деревня - @1 на @2
You need the "maphack" privilege to use this.=Вам нужна привилегия "maphack" чтобы это использовать.
You need the "maphack" privilege to use this.=Вам нужна привилегия "maphack", чтобы это использовать.
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Accidental comma is accidental. 🤣

Accidental comma is accidental. 🤣
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OK, is this ready for merge or do you need to do more?

Also, how do you like to be credited?

OK, is this ready for merge or do you need to do more? Also, how do you like to be credited?
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It was complete a long ago, just forgot to make it clearer. 😅

Cheers, vintprox.

It was complete a long ago, just forgot to make it clearer. 😅 Cheers, `vintprox`.
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Thank you.

Thank you.
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I'm sorry for giving a late reply, was busy IRL and not really keeping up with Minetest stuff. I hope Wuzzy won't mind if I continue in Russian, as this message is for vintprox specifically.

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Благодарю за внесённые изменения! Когда делал перевод, я даже не думал о том, пишу я в формальном тоне или не очень. Всё же вы правы, неформальный тон намного лучше подходит Repixture по стилю.

Насчёт "тобою". Как по мне, использовать творительный падеж в данном случае намного лучше, чем мучаться с вещами вроде "взломал(-а)". Можно было бы конечно писать всё в мужском роде и ссылаться на то, что слово "игрок" в русском языке уже мужского рода, но это откровенно так себе решение.

Надеюсь, что русская локализация для Repixture и дальше будет развиваться, уже неважно кем — мной, вами или ещё кем-либо. Главное, что здравое начало уже положено.

I'm sorry for giving a late reply, was busy IRL and not really keeping up with Minetest stuff. I hope Wuzzy won't mind if I continue in Russian, as this message is for vintprox specifically. @vintprox Благодарю за внесённые изменения! Когда делал перевод, я даже не думал о том, пишу я в формальном тоне или не очень. Всё же вы правы, неформальный тон намного лучше подходит Repixture по стилю. Насчёт "тобою". Как по мне, использовать творительный падеж в данном случае намного лучше, чем мучаться с вещами вроде "взломал(-а)". Можно было бы конечно писать всё в мужском роде и ссылаться на то, что слово "игрок" в русском языке уже мужского рода, но это откровенно так себе решение. Надеюсь, что русская локализация для Repixture и дальше будет развиваться, уже неважно кем — мной, вами или ещё кем-либо. Главное, что здравое начало уже положено.
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