Informalize Russian translation #93

vintprox commented 2023年03月11日 22:57:30 +01:00

Big props to @rudzik8 for the Russian localization. A lot of work is done already to present the game to my native fellows! However, there is a general issue with translations where "you" is translated to "вы", which is considered plural and singular pronoun at the same time. While precise and not really confusing, it gives off the formal tone.

My issue with this is that formal tone seems out of place in a bright game like Repixture, game that has a potential for gathering multiage Russian players. Whenever it says "скрафтите печку" or "на данный момент на вас нету эффектов", it's like a compulsively polite narrator talking to player. It detracts the intrinsic connection of the game with the player, which was initially supposed to have 1-to-1 cardinality. What it does now instead is try to avoid getting familiar with you, like software is expected to do.

But, again, we're talking about a game - it's another experience. Objective here is NOT to make some childish adaptation, with talking down and comedy, but a simple attempt at adopting pronoun known as "ты", for a nice game-player connection.

I hope my translations will be reviewed with this in mind once I prepare a PR w/ commits. Please let me know if there are other points to consider.

Big props to @rudzik8 for the Russian localization. A lot of work is done already to present the game to my native fellows! However, there is a general issue with translations where "`you`" is translated to "`вы`", which is considered plural and singular pronoun at the same time. While precise and not really confusing, it gives off the formal tone. My issue with this is that formal tone seems out of place in a bright game like Repixture, game that has a potential for gathering multiage Russian players. Whenever it says "`скрафтите печку`" or "`на данный момент на вас нету эффектов`", it's like a **compulsively polite narrator** talking to player. It detracts the intrinsic connection of the game with the player, which was initially supposed to have 1-to-1 cardinality. What it does now instead is try to avoid getting familiar with you, like software is expected to do. But, again, we're talking about a game - it's another experience. Objective here is **NOT** to make some childish adaptation, with talking down and comedy, but a simple attempt at adopting pronoun known as "`ты`", for a nice game-player connection. I hope my translations will be reviewed with this in mind once I prepare a PR w/ commits. Please let me know if there are other points to consider.

vintprox commented 2023年03月11日 23:52:04 +01:00

Вот небольшой пример:
transforming formal russian to informal localization

Вот небольшой пример: 

vintprox commented 2023年03月12日 00:19:16 +01:00

One notable exception to what I propose may be the dialogs with villagers.

I don't know what tone was intended here, but I would be totally fine with making their talk less formal as well.

In any case, we can see the difference between how game (UI) would like to address the player and how villagers behave.

One notable exception to what I propose *may be* the [dialogs with villagers](https://codeberg.org/Wuzzy/Repixture/src/commit/9a127123b27d763def7bad704530722c05e9d109/mods/mobs/locale/mobs.ru.tr#L46-L50). I don't know what tone was intended here, but I would be totally fine with making their talk less formal as well. In any case, we can see the difference between how game (UI) would like to address the player and how villagers behave.

Wuzzy commented 2023年03月12日 11:46:01 +01:00

Well the first priority IMHO should always be to complete the missing strings because game translations have to be maintained as well. Thanks a lot for looking over the translation, this is appreciated!

Personally, I am neutral on which tone translators will choose for their translation overall.

I am not neutral on the tone of villagers. The villagers are supposed to talk in informal tone.

For German, I decided to use a formal tone because that is what we have decided to be the case for Minetest as well. But I am not going to enforce that for other languages. The game doesn't often talk to the player directly anyway (usually for chatcommands). But the villagers talk informally in German.

Well the first priority IMHO should always be to complete the missing strings because game translations have to be maintained as well. Thanks a lot for looking over the translation, this is appreciated! Personally, I am neutral on which tone translators will choose for their translation overall. I am *not* neutral on the tone of villagers. The villagers are supposed to talk in informal tone. For German, I decided to use a formal tone because that is what we have decided to be the case for Minetest as well. But I am not going to enforce that for other languages. The game doesn't often talk to the player directly anyway (usually for chatcommands). But the villagers talk informally in German.

vintprox commented 2023年03月13日 09:20:08 +01:00

Personally, I am neutral on which tone translators will choose for their translation overall.

I am not neutral on the tone of villagers. The villagers are supposed to talk in informal tone.

Following your advice, I made villagers' dialogs informal. This fits in perfectly the overall tone set up in #94.

> Personally, I am neutral on which tone translators will choose for their translation overall. > > I am *not* neutral on the tone of villagers. The villagers are supposed to talk in informal tone. Following your advice, I made villagers' dialogs informal. This fits in perfectly the overall tone set up in #94.