CB/tmpl: Improve landing page #75

n0toose commented 2023年08月17日 18:08:11 +02:00

• Fixes grammar errors, makes text shorter.
• This change does not aim to replace existing text, it aims to enhance
  it in order to make it more effective while conveying the same ideas.
• Makes text in all 3 subsections equally long, while adding a small
  slogan right afterwards
• Mark some specific keywords with bold letters
• Emphasize on the things that make Codeberg stand out
  • Operated on a high ethical standard.
  • Our priorities align with the interests of our users.
• Explain who Codeberg is for. I did this because I have been asked
  questions like "I am an artist. Is Codeberg the right place for me?"
  or similar questions that insinaute that even if a person likes what
  we do, they still feel like that we do not do it for them as they do
  not produce "useful software". Making potential new users worry about
  our own archetype of a Codeberg user is not productive.

The categories were based on actual users that use Codeberg for e.g.
authors of scientific papers, video game developers, etc.

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Companion PR to Codeberg-Infrastructure/build-deploy-forgejo#114.

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- Fixes grammar errors, makes text shorter. - This change does not aim to replace existing text, it aims to enhance it in order to make it more effective while conveying the same ideas. - Makes text in all 3 subsections equally long, while adding a small slogan right afterwards - Mark some specific keywords with bold letters - Emphasize on the things that make Codeberg stand out * Operated on a high ethical standard. * Our priorities align with the interests of our users. - Explain who Codeberg is for. I did this because I have been asked questions like "I am an artist. Is Codeberg the right place for me?" or similar questions that insinaute that even if a person likes what we do, they still feel like that we do not do it for them as they do not produce "useful software". Making potential new users worry about our own archetype of a Codeberg user is not productive. The categories were based on actual users that use Codeberg for e.g. authors of scientific papers, video game developers, etc. --- **[Please do not include this part in the commit]** Companion PR to https://codeberg.org/Codeberg-Infrastructure/build-deploy-forgejo/pulls/114. 

n0toose commented 2023年08月17日 18:12:26 +02:00

I am not sure if name-dropping "free culture" is too much. I requested the reviews from the three of you (not everyone has to make a review, of course!) as I am not a native speaker and not 100% sure about the wording I use, and because I find the "first impression" of a visitor to our site important.

I will link this PR to our primary Matrix chat as well.

I am not sure if name-dropping "free culture" is too much. I requested the reviews from the three of you (not everyone has to make a review, of course!) as I am not a native speaker and not 100% sure about the wording I use, and because I find the "first impression" of a visitor to our site important. I will link this PR to our primary Matrix chat as well.

TylerLinuxDev commented 2023年08月17日 18:19:58 +02:00

I think it's ok, "free culture" is a fairly ambiguous term so I wouldn't worry about it too much unless someone is super-picky about it.

Overall in the picture, it looks ok.

I think it's ok, "free culture" is a fairly ambiguous term so I wouldn't worry about it too much unless someone is super-picky about it. Overall in the picture, it looks ok.

n0toose commented 2023年08月17日 23:45:13 +02:00

In order to make future iterations easier, I would be grateful if you could add more comments about why you did the changes. It is not strictly necessary, but I think it will help preventing reverting the changes in the future.

I did that, all of this is now mentioned in the message of my original post. My goal with these changes was not to alter the meaning of what was said, just to get straight to the point with what you need to know, I would say that the most important changes that I made are the following:

• Explain who Codeberg is for, based on feedback that I got both IRL and in places like e.g. a person requesting CI access or a person that comes here wanting to just host a website for starters.
• Make the text in all 3 sections look even, so that it feels "easier to read" on desktops. The "heuristic" that I used is taking up 5 lines for the main text and take advantage of that self-imposed limitation as much as possible (not perfectly, "RESPECT" doesn't use the fifth line - it's also why I went for Codeberg/forgejo#75 (comment)), and then 2 lines for a slogan. That way, it looks prettier on a desktop (without being necessarily worse on another platform) and there's more substance / less noise, in my opinion.
• Underline that we strive to be ethical. "Say that I stay on $AnotherPlatform, so frickin' what?" is a question that we really, really should be providing the answers for when advocating for our platform in a manner that comes across as pragmatic, instead of self-righteous, patronizing or extremist. (This is more of a general problem and not a problem case with the previous iteration.)

Apart from these additions, I did not seek to replace the content of the landing page with something completely new. I wanted to refine it and build on top of it in order to make a message that was already there stronger, attractive and more factually accurate.

I really do not want to be extra annoying with these changes (I just like picking up on things that you would, for example, rather not focus on), so I'm open to any further recommendations.

> In order to make future iterations easier, I would be grateful if you could add more comments about why you did the changes. It is not strictly necessary, but I think it will help preventing reverting the changes in the future. I did that, all of this is now mentioned in the message of my original post. My goal with these changes was not to alter the meaning of what was said, just to get straight to the point with what you need to know, I would say that the most important changes that I made are the following: - Explain who Codeberg is for, based on feedback that I got both IRL and in places like e.g. a person requesting CI access or a person that comes here wanting to just host a website for starters. - **Make the text in all 3 sections look even**, so that it feels "easier to read" on desktops. The "heuristic" that I used is taking up **5 lines for the main text** and take advantage of that self-imposed limitation as much as possible (not perfectly, "RESPECT" doesn't use the fifth line - it's also why I went for https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/forgejo/pulls/75#issuecomment-1059143), **and then 2 lines for a slogan**. That way, it looks prettier on a desktop (without being necessarily worse on another platform) and there's more substance / less noise, in my opinion. - Underline **that we strive to be ethical**. "Say that I stay on `$AnotherPlatform`, so frickin' what?" is a question that we really, really should be providing the answers for when advocating for our platform in a manner that comes across as pragmatic, instead of self-righteous, patronizing or extremist. (This is more of a general problem and not a problem case with the previous iteration.) Apart from these additions, I did not seek to replace the content of the landing page with something completely new. I wanted to refine it and build on top of it in order to make a message that was already there stronger, attractive and more factually accurate. I really do not want to be extra annoying with these changes (I just like picking up on things that you would, for example, rather *not* focus on), so I'm open to any further recommendations.

fnetX commented 2023年08月20日 13:23:25 +02:00

Thank you. I think the changes are valuable. What about "Hosted in Europe, we welcome the world", though? It's not exactly the same from a political/geographical perspective, but probably the best to read?

Thank you. I think the changes are valuable. What about "Hosted in Europe, we welcome the world", though? It's not exactly the same from a political/geographical perspective, but probably the best to read?

n0toose commented 2023年08月20日 18:21:17 +02:00

Thank you. I think the changes are valuable. What about "Hosted in Europe, we welcome the world", though? It's not exactly the same from a political/geographical perspective, but probably the best to read?

I flipped a coin, heads was Europe and tails was bringing back the EU acronym because I was thinking that most people presumably read it as "EU" in verbal speech anyways (as "European Union" is a bit long).

Europe won, but that's one of the changes that I do not have a strong opinion about, so I'd be OK if someone were to change this in a next iteration.

> Thank you. I think the changes are valuable. What about "Hosted in Europe, we welcome the world", though? It's not exactly the same from a political/geographical perspective, but probably the best to read? I flipped a coin, heads was Europe and tails was bringing back the EU acronym because I was thinking that most people presumably read it as "EU" in verbal speech anyways (as "European Union" is a bit long). Europe won, but that's one of the changes that I do not have a strong opinion about, so I'd be OK if someone were to change this in a next iteration.