Re: erf

> Dans tous les liens que tu me mets, on voit les conditions de licence que propose MS pour DES PRODUITS

Quel produit ?
Si ce sont pour des produits, le droit d'auteur suffit largement. Inutile de brandir un brevet.

In order to ensure interoperability between the licensed media and devices and Microsoft® Windows®-based personal computers and to improve consumer experience, the license requires that licensees' FAT file system implementations in the licensed media and devices be fully compliant with certain required portions of the Microsoft FAT file system specification.

Microsoft offers a commercially reasonable, nonexclusive license so that other companies can use the advances of SPR in their own products. Pricing for this license is US1ドル per unit for personal digital assistant devices and mobile phones,

Donc, quel produit ? Par des produits MS en tout cas.


> elle peut par exemple demander un pourcentage, ne pas céder de licence pour certains cas d'utilisation finaux, etc.

Tu te contredis.

> Notes que cela est indépendant de la notion de brevet (logiciel), c'est les conditions de licence de PRODUITS vendus par MS.

Quel produit ?

> Alors oui, le breveteur peut négocier ce qu'il veut avec l'implémenteur, il peut inclure des closes prenant en compte l'utilisation

Tu te contredis en permanence. pour toi implémenteur = utilisateur dont ta phrase donne :
- Alors oui, le breveteur peut négocier ce qu'il veut avec l'utilisateur, il peut inclure des closes prenant en compte l'utilisation

Carrément comique.

> mais EN AUCUN CAS MS ne signe ou ne cède de licence avec l'utilisateur final

Je suis la société kodak, j'utilise FAT dans mes appareils, je suis l'utilisateur final *de* MS et donc je n'ai aucun compte à rendre à MS ?
Evidement que quand j'achète un apareil photo je n'envois pas un chèque à kodak et un autre à MS et un autre à IBM et un autre à ...
T'es vraiment malin toi.

> Donc les licences peuvent tenir compte des utilisateurs finaux, mais reste que l'utilisateur final ne fait pas parti des personnes contractuelles de ce cette licence

Pour mpeg4 et source MS :
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/licensing/mpeg4faq.as(...)

2. What is the general summary of the royalties and rights in the license?
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Personal codec use and end-user to end-user communications are covered as part of the manufacturerÂ’s license.
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Question1. If the software I distribute accesses MPEG-4 video through Microsoft® Windows Media® Player, do I need to get an MPEG-4 visual patent license from MPEG LA or pay any fees to MPEG LA for the distribution of my software?
No. MPEG-4 Visual decoders or encoders that are included in Windows Media Player for the Internet are covered by the license Microsoft has with MPEG LA.
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3. If my application accesses MPEG-4 through Windows Media Player, do I need to include any MPEG-4 notices or language in my end-user license agreement or anywhere else in my application?
No. The MPEG LA notice is included in the Windows Media Player end-user license agreement.
4. When does MPEG LA require payment of a use fee?
When MPEG-4 video is provided as part of a service or business for remuneration and certain thresholds of subscribers have been met.
5. Is it true that if I don't charge for access to my MPEG-4 video content, I don't need a license with MPEG LA?
Generally, yes, so long as you don't receive another form of remuneration in connection with the MPEG-4 video content, such as paid advertising.
6. Is a use fee required for transmission of MPEG-4 video over the Internet?
No use fee is required unless the transmissions are provided as part of a service or business for remuneration and are accessed by more than 50,000 different end users within a calendar year. Note, however, that the 50,000 threshold is only available to one legal entity in an affiliated group of legal entities.
7. How is the use fee for Internet transmissions by a service or business for remuneration determined?
The use fee for such Internet transmissions is based on the number of different end users who access the service or business in a calendar year, or, if you can't identify the end users, the number of different decoders that access the service or business in a calendar year. Alternatively, you have the option of paying the use fee based on the number of minutes of MPEG-4 video running time per end user or decoder.
9. If I am a nonprofit organization distributing MPEG-4 video content, do I have to pay a use fee?
Not unless you receive remuneration for distributing the MPEG-4 video content.

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11. Does the use of paid advertising on my site require payment of a use fee?
The intention of the license is to charge royalties for use of MPEG-4 video where remuneration is received in connection with its use.

Donc l'utilisateur final fait parti du "deal".
Tu peux continuer à nier l'évidence.