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Is this the kind of thing we can reasonably expect the Foundation to spend money on? --Anthonyhcole (talk) 03:41, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

No if directly, but yes if it's about assisting researchers doing a scientific work. The "readers" have become some sort of mantra and mystic entity, so some research wouldn't harm; on the other hand, it's dubious whether even scientific work would reduce or increase the abuse of their name for any sort of action. --Nemo 05:49, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes. You can submit a grant request for this. –SJ talk 17:55, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Does Wikimedia saves all of the banners? And if so, where can I find an archive of them? —Preceding undated comment added approximately 12:00, 01 June 2013 (UTC).

Hi, apologies for posting this in English, but I wanted to alert your community to a discussion on Meta about potential changes to the Wikimedia Trademark Policy. Please translate this statement if you can. We hope that you will all participate in the discussion; we also welcome translations of the legal team’s statement into as many languages as possible and encourage you to voice your thoughts there. Please see the Trademark practices discussion (on Meta-Wiki) for more information. Thank you! --Mdennis (WMF) (talk) —Preceding undated comment added approximately 12:00, 01 June 2013 (UTC).

Do you have a chapter-related activity that is important? Is your wiki doing something special? Do you have an upcoming Wikimedia-related event? Well, post them on Template:Main Page/WM News ! It's running sparse. Killiondude (talk) 01:58, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

I have just downloaded data for the Australian All Ordinaries stock market index. The data goes back to 1875, however the All Ords wasnt established until 1980, I believe. How can I can in touch with the kind soul that uploaded the data in order to query its source? Thanks

Please provide a link where you downloaded that data, to start with. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 09:04, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Good evening! (I advance my excuses for my not-so-good English ... :-D)

I just downloaded from Google Play Store the Wikipedia Android app, and I really disliked it.

I don't know if it's the right place to write my suggestions, however I suggest to make sure that all the tables and images are aligned (this doesn't happen with this, for example) and I would make a more user-friendly GUI (like the Youtube app one, look here) where in the drop-down menu (the grey one, to be clear) there are all the things like Menu, Featured Content, What links here, Recent changes, Community portal ...

What do you think? --0ne, Two, Three (talk) 18:09, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Maybe try https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps - seems like a better place. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 09:06, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks --0ne, Two, Three (talk) 13:06, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Many people would like a encyclopedia that introduce whats within different virtual works like TV drama, movie, novel, comic, and so on in detail, to the depth that include every single props and characters, etc. in stories. However, Wikipedia does not welcome these. Therefore many people turn to wikia, atwiki, komica wiki, baidu baike, for the purpose, but these wikis are not unified, most of them are for profit, closed, not user friendly, and not well-known. Whatif wikimedia setup a new wiki purpose that describe different virtual works?C933103 (talk) 18:24, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Please see Proposals for new projects. PiRSquared17 (talk) 21:41, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Hello, I was discovering dates of starting of Wikipedias. But for some of them I found nothing. My partial list is here: [1] After 2007 there is Incubator and its creation log helped me. But can anyone show me dates of starting of older Wikipedias? I want to sort these flags by age of Wikipedias, because current order is by size in 2011 and I don't want to reorder by size, because it can change again. User:KuboF is interested in it too. Thanks. Hosmich (talk) 16:26, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

I ran a script to check the first revisions of each public WMF wiki (excluding s7 wikis because their replicas are not publicly readable yet, and not just the Wikipedias). This was done a couple of days ago and I think I limited it so that it would only pick up the timestamp if revision #1 was the row with the earliest timestamp. Some wikis have no such revisions in the table and I assume that's because people have deleted the Main Page (the row will have been moved to the archive table which we can't see). Also foundationwiki, iowiki, and zh_min_nanwiki all seem to have missing timestamps for their first revisions (also zh_min_nanwiki's #13031 and iowiki's #12702). You can see the results here (the format is the database name, a space, and the timestamp). --Krenair ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:10, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Note that it's possible revision #1 doesn't have the earliest timestamp if older revisions were later imported from some other wiki. This includes those wikis that predate MediaWiki. For example, enwiki's revision 1 is dated 2002年01月26日, but revision 291430 is dated 2001年01月16日.

Also, I'd suggest putting the list someplace on-wiki (maybe a userspace subpage) so people finding this thread in the archives years from now don't see a long-since-expired pastebin link. Anomie (talk) 13:38, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

My user page now shows both dates from my survey and Krenair's timestamps. It will expand, but you can see how it will look. Hosmich (talk) 15:57, 14. June 2013 (UTC)

Feel free to comment on the talk page. PiRSquared17 (talk) 03:36, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Hello, learnes ones ! The article "Aino Kuusinen" exists in WPedia fr, de, fi, ru, & 'd like to know if you have any texts by that interesting female writer (Staline's spy in the '30, then in the goulag for 15 years) . I looked for it in Wiksource, & didn't find any, but... Thanks beforehand for your answer . signé Arapaima, [2]

We probably do not have anything written by her. She died in 1970, so her writings are probably all copyrighted still. WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:10, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

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There needs to be a signature or byline for who sends these out. That is, who is using the global bot. MZ, maybe this should be a requirement before it starts running the message? Killiondude (talk) 06:56, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Who would be/should be in the byline for this post? --MZMcBride (talk) 20:45, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

I don't know! When I wrote my original post I was likening it to the idea of edit accountability. There's likely one main person who organizes and/or pushes these messages out. But I guess The Signpost doesn't do this. Killiondude (talk) 21:46, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

You're a signpost. Also, the accountability comes from Global message delivery/Access list, Global message delivery/Spam, w:en:User:EdwardsBot/Access list, and w:en:User:EdwardsBot/Spam. ;-) --MZMcBride (talk) 02:59, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

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Hello, the catalan speakers of no-nationalist territories (the most) of Spain, France, whole world, universe and part of neighbour universe (hahah), we need help.

Nationalists Admins, advanced users do not allow people that are not nationalists to edit articles, why?

• Example: Article: "Referèndum d'autodeterminació de Catalunya"

NOT NEUTRAL. Lacks the U.S. opinion on the international implications section, where curiously other are those that support the failed secession. and lacks links and non-nationalist views. When trying to edit, a cabal of to 3 or 4 admins block any editing of non-nationalist editors. Neither let you put the sign "No Neutral".

• Example: ""País Valencià"" ("Valencian State" or "Valencian Country" wait, what¿?¿? "...is a Estate of Europe..." WAIT, WAIT, WHAAAT¿?¿?

They change the widely accepted official name "VALENCIAN COMMUNITY" ("Comunitat Valenciana" in catalan language) and put the name that used to call a minority of nationalists in northern Catalonia. This is not the "Wikipedia of Nationalist Little Territories of Catalonia", but the Wikipedia in Catalan Language of ALL TERRITORIES. And Valencian Community is an autonomous community of SPAIN, like the others 16 regions of SPAIN

Please, those who wish to explain which country is a town, those who do not want to lie to the user saying invented state flags in Olympic Games, and those who do not want any secessionist cabal impose the views of a minority over the vast majority of Catalan speakers, We ask for help to avoid Wikimedia web that ends under the economic dictatorship of local governments, as seems to happen. Please don't let the nationalist political parties in north Catalonia change the neutral point of view and the good encyclopedic work of Wikipedia of ALL catalan speakers. Thanks.

And they say that anonimous IP can not edit or they will say "it's a troll", but that is an excuse to coerce registered users to edit in "nationalist way" because if you insist on adding neutral point of view or attempt to reverse the nationalist injustices editions, automatically those users are locked forever.

There is also an abuse of bots. -try to change the invented nationalist term "País Valencià" (Valencian State) by the official and neutral term "Comunitat Valenciana" (Valencian Community)... and nationalist goebbelian bot will revert until you accept the north catalonian nationalist point of view.

I'm not sure what you believe you will accomplish here. The Wikimedia Foundation does not interfere in content disputes. Almost no one here speaks Catalan, and therefore can't edit the wiki easily. There is no enforceable rule that requires them to stop making themselves look silly, e.g., to stop pretending that Catalonia went to the Olympics instead of Spain. You have our sympathy, of course, but there is no policeman here to make them behave. WhatamIdoing (talk) 14:52, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Isn't this being discussed at #Please solve ca.wikipedia.org scandal? Ypnypn (talk) 15:06, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

This anonymous user has compared Catalan Wikipedia with Third Reich, he has threatened and personally attacked Catalan Wikipedians and never respects en:Wikipedia:Etiquette... --Davidpar (talk) 12:55, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

What Davidpar says is FALSE and a here or here etc... or they stop saying: "Valencian Country is a country of Europe in Mediterranean sea..." instead of "Valencian Community is an autonomous community of Spain". Same issue in Autonomous community of Catalonia. (sigh)...

• I offer to make new wiki-project about gunpowder weapons. It`ll be like Wikipedia, but there will be allowed instructions about weapon`s assembly/disassembly, reloading and other. This project will be about only weapons and his appearing in films, games, cartoons, amime and other exqamples, and also in murders and other happenings. I`m russian user, but I didn`t ask about it in international team, and ask there, because I want to learn some English. I understand, what my language can be bad. Thank you. Дегтярёв пехотный (talk) 13:52, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
  • Hello! You should read Project proposals. Killiondude (talk) 03:34, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
• OK, i gonna write in wikipidia because it will be a subproject. Дегтярёв пехотный (talk) 06:52, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

It's about removing the opt-in requirement for detailed information on X!'s edit counter (now operated by TParis). Note that this will only apply after it is migrated to Wikimedia Labs (wikitech:), not to the Toolserver, which is under German law. German law has some rules about privacy that the US (where Labs is located) doesn't have. Please comment on the RfC. PiRSquared17 (talk) 03:49, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Hello everyone,

A week ago, I wrote a blog post about a short documentary I'm making about a class of high schoolers in a slum in South Africa who wrote an open letter and started a page on Facebook asking for free access to Wikipedia on their cellphones so that they can do their homework (video clip on the right).

I'm in the process of editing the film and I'm not done. My goal is to make a film that engages people. I'm posting here now because I'd like to see (and document) this first-ever grassroots effort for free access to Wikipedia on cellphones grow beyond South Africa alone, and I'm sure that others here would too. I need your help. These students need your help. All we have to do is collaborate.

Here is the collaboration page: Unlock_The_Secrets_Of_Wikipedia_Zero

Who is interested, and where are you located? How do you want to get involved and how can I help you do that?

• Sign up here:
• Oarabile Mudongo (talk) 12:46, 27 June 2013 (UTC),Botswana Interested in general research topics, and applications of wiki technology, and communities.
• Let me know how I can be of help. I'm normally loged in the regular English Wiki. Marine 69-71 (talk) 04:12, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
• I like this concept, and thus would like to replicate the same in India, especially in north India. -- ♪Karthik♫ ♪Nadar♫ 08:47, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
• Count me in, will help however I can from Cape Town. I am usually on en.wikipeida. --197.214.116.49 06:42, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
• Happy to help in any way I can (online). PiRSquared17 (talk) 09:21, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

We should make a page on meta for to collaborate about this campaign, I would leave it to everyone here to determine the appropriate place and name for such a collaboration page.

Again, this is all part of my role as storyteller at the Wikimedia Foundation.

Let's do this

• Helo Vgrigas i have just created a collaboration Meta page and decided to name it Unlock_The_Secrets_Of_Wikipedia_Zero and i think PiRSquared17 can also join us for the discussion at the meta page,he is a very determined person who at most times helps me out with fantastic ideas.

ok great lets use that page Unlock_The_Secrets_Of_Wikipedia_Zero to collaborate Vgrigas (talk) 18:04, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

• Yes, I am very interested in this project, and I support the Wikipedia Zero initiative. In general, I support any way Wikimedia (and other orgs) can help developing countries. I am happy to help on-wiki in any way I can, but I am currently a little busy. Thank you for the kind words, Oarabile. PiRSquared17 (talk) 09:19, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Please solve future ca.wikipedia.org scandal, where a few extreme nationalists are shamefully banning Spanish flag, substituting by the local flag in the region of Catalonia. So, hilarious situations arise as replacing the flag of Spain by the local flag of Catalunya region, suggesting that the Kingdom of Spain did not exist at the 1888 Barcelona International Exposition or that lie: Spain did not participate in the Olympic Games of 1992, also censoring Spanish Olympic Committee to shamefully ban the Spanish flag in that list. Examples:

• http://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exposici%C3%B3_Universal_de_Barcelona_(1888) "Preceeded by Flag:Australia - Flag:Sovereign Catalonian State Succeeded by Flaf:France"
  
• http://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jocs_Ol%C3%ADmpics Olympic Games hosts: 1988 Seoul (Korean State Flag) 1992 (Catalonian local region Flag) 1996 Atlanta (USA Flag)
• Hilarious: Barcelona is not in Spain, ¿who says it, FIFA?¿?. WTF is this Flag wars? http://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selecci%C3%B3_de_futbol_d'Espanya
• shameful: F.C. Barcelona player, Carles Puyol, played with Spain in year 2000, then he goes out of Spain and from 2001 to 2013 plays in "Sovereign-State-of-Catalonia-FIFA-recognized-Sovereign-Football-National-Team" hahahaha... http://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carles_Puyol_i_Saforcada WTF?¿?
• Hilarious situation in F.C. Barcelona: some SPANISH football players are from Spain, some NOT. https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/F.C._Barcelona This is a honest encyclopedia or a website of jokes?
• Sad: The region to which we, its population (the Catalan speakers of this region too) have called "Comunitat Valenciana" (Valencian Community) by the Spanish Constitution and the region Statute of Autonomy. They call it "País Valenciá" (Valencian State or Valencian Country) because they please, putting some links to blogs and biased unknown institutes: http://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pa%C3%ADs_Valenci%C3%A0
• Frustrating: If someone decides to change "Països Catalans" (or Catalan States or Catalan Countries -imaginary countries-) for "Spain" (Spain), in a list of football club tournaments throughout the Spanish territory (Zaragoza B, Orihuela, etc), suddenly appears a robot that automatically reverses any issue contrary to nationalism. hahaha Try it! diff: http://ca.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Organitzaci%C3%B3_del_futbol_a_Catalunya&diff=11883735&oldid=11883734

It's normal, extreme nationalism is excited using Wikipedia to invent history, that also goes to the extreme right or the extreme left -Why these people do not use their own wiki to invent their own stories they invented?-, but there is something a person can not to invent: the history. Like it or not, the history takes us we can not invent.
I (and the historians) hope you fix solution to this scandal, as this shameful ban of Spanish flags, as well as being full of hatred, goes against all historical encyclopedic accuracy, and goes against what Spanish and American municipalities, institutions, organizations and schools want to give to their children. Spain exists in 1888, in 1992, and Today, and either wikipedia will not change history under dark interests. Sorry for my bad english. But donations have to work with us, not against us. Regards. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 79.141.161.13 (talk)

FWIW, ca:Usuari_Discussió:Arnaugir#Hola got me this response. Feel free to discuss the issues, but don't try to make this more scandalous than it needs to be. Thanks. PiRSquared17 (talk) 18:54, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

OMGWTFLOL, Hola, When some few people are banning you to label your business in a language other than Catalan, Spanish is prohibited, or when your kids will teaching the beautiful catalan language, english, french, or Korean (hahah. ..), but banning the Spanish due full of hatred laws, is a scandal, but that it is political and has nothing to see here.

But when my children see in the encyclopedia that Spain did not exist in 1888 or 1992 because some nationalist put the catalan flag of Spain on ca.wikipedia.org instead the spanish one because is prohibited, so that IS a scandal. Tomorrow your children can read that the Olympic Games were hosted in the "Independent State of Zoltan Catalan Galaxy", but, (sorry) in 1888 and in 1992 (and today), Spain DOES exist. I apologize for my vocation as a historian, but (...sorry) history is written.

About the fact that people laugh or attacks the fact of using anonymous IP: when you live surrounded by hate and violence that makes some few nationalist change history encyclopedias ("goebbels Style", op, op), I don't give a "bledo". Catalonia is my land, but I am also Spanish. of course. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 79.141.161.13 (talk)

Did you already try to ask people on the Catalan Wikipedia about it? I see that all the other flags on the Olympics article are of independent countries, and that the flag of Catalonia seems like it was added out of national pride (which has its place, but not in an encyclopedia). And other Wikipedias have the Spanish flag there. I've linked this discussion to a Catalan user who seems to have been involved in this. PiRSquared17 (talk) 19:53, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

For many articles is recommended not to change it, or to reach a consensus, especially where the Catalan flag expresses 1.-Representation of the Autonomous Community of Catalonia and 2.-Feeling or nationality (not sovereign State), but for others the veracity, and encyclopaedic rigor, is above (sorry). Especially if you have to replace all Spanish flags unfairly deleted again (hard work), and Spain in history has many events which marked a milestone in the history (kingdoms, republics, etc.) i.e: ¿Do I have to reach a Consensus to say that Spanish Olympic Comitée, and Spanish State exists? LOL — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 79.141.161.13 (talk)

Reported to the local Village Pump. --Vriullop (talk) 21:02, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Link. PiRSquared17 (talk) 21:32, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

of little use.

If the fact of the existence of Spain in the 1992 Olympics, or the 1888 Expo, or any other ca.wikipedia.org article, I have to discuss it with 5 or 6 nationalist people (sigh), do not think it is fixed. Denying the existence of Spain is not encyclopedic accuracy, especially on articles such as Olympic games, or at the Expo 1888. Sorry. Spain exists ¿Why I'm discussing this fact? OMGWTFLOL...

Spain exists on cawiki. I can't see any scandal. I dislike the consensus about flags (I dislike nationalism too) but it was approved many years ago on ca:Viquipèdia:Presa de decisions/2009/Qüestió de banderes. All users can invoke a new concensus if they believe it is necessary. sorry for my poor English Coet (talk) 00:25, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

I think that the IP's point is that Wikipedia consensus can't change facts. The table on the Olympics article has a list of countries/nations, and one of them doesn't fit in. I think this discussion should happen on cawiki unless outside intervention is needed. PiRSquared17 (talk) 00:51, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

"Consensus can not change facts" THANKS A LOT, PiRSquared17 that's the phrase!!!

• Is there the article "Spain" on ca.wikipedia.org? yes. (it's difficult to erase for them)
• Is there an extermination of Spanish flags on other articles? yes.
• Do they put the local flag of Catalonia region with other official State Flags like Greece or U.S.A, or in place of other official State flags like Australia or France? YES

It's normal (and logical) a lot of nationalists in this wikipedia. What is not normal is they want to change history to deny and eliminate the existence of soberane state of Spain (and his flag) at international events, political, sports, etc. ¿why I am discussing this? Spain is a FACT

@PiRSquared17 : Mr.Ip doesn't point anything else that: Ca.wiki it's is full of Nazis, the percent of votes of a party in one elections is "Catalonian nationalism that bans spanish flags". At ca.wiki village pump an user pointed and start an argument about this ... it's flamed by our friend: Those are the mr.ip facts. --Mafoso (talk) 06:59, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

yeah, yeah, maybe I try to make this more scandalous than it needs to be (or not) and I am not the typical wikipedia super-maximum-1000buttons-powered-editor with a million of editions (very respectable, of course) .......but... except for a few articles very obvious as to be deleted (like "Spain" or "Spanish National Football Team" -WAIT...F.C.BARCELONA IS NOT IN SPAIN?¿? wtf...), in others as Olympics or expo 1888 they demonstrate the censorship of anything having to do with Spain, its flag, and its history. Please keep calm and be encyclopedic: ¡¡¡SPAIN EXISTS!!! THIS IS THE "IP FACT". a regar.

This might be a silly view, but from an outsiders' perspective, I think you lost your case when you started writing things in bold and using A LOT OF CAPS, EXCLAMATION MARKS!!!! and OMGLOLS. Calm down, please. Just sayin'. odder (talk) 09:42, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Calm down?? to what?? to wait to see how my kids grow and in the future is mounted a war because they read that "Spain did not exist in 1992 Olympics or Expo 1888", because the nationalists who seek to control ca.wikipedia.org with permission from wikimedia are making a ethnic and cultural cleansing on their "property"?

Imagine, just imagine that I do a nationalist partnership in wikimedia and I write that United Kingdom is a small province of Spain do you want the kids read this? Maybe parents not.

So all this is about flags? Flags are domination devices, they don't belong to an encyclopedia. My suggestion is to banish them and carry on without useless disputes on which flags to stick on the ground. --Nemo 10:29, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

I like the local flag of the Catalan region, i love it. it's beautiful. To ban ALL flags is not the solution. But I refuse to have to prove that exists Spain, because in ca.wikipedia.org is almost prohibited and I have to do that every time I want to change a local or regional flag that has expelled the Spanish one representing a state in an international context (in the best case, in others they also block articles so you can not put the banned and highly prohibited flag of Spain) but...

...The flags are just only the most colorful and visible face of this prohibition. This is not only the flags. What about culture? Historical facts? Biased? (NO. worst. Invented) Fiction States (Països Catalans, Catalonia sovereign state, etc ...) yes, cultural lands of language, but that appears on articles such as official sovereign states? This is Kafkaesque...

For the Wikimedia contributors that care, the topic of flag icons is being discussed again at ca:Viquipèdia:La_taverna/Propostes#Proposta_sobre_el_consens_existent. If you feel like landing there to paste another rant, please don't. Yes there are different opinions and levels of passion around these little colored rectangles in articles. Seasoned editors will have seen many of these heated discussions in their own projects, about various topics. Please stay calm and keep editing, or discussing with respect and constructive arguments. Do you think the Viquipèdia community can find a good solution? I do, of course.--QuimGil (talk) 17:09, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

hahaha, you mean "catalan contributors..." I say: For the rest of Wikimedia contributors that care, Catalonia is not an State, is a little region of Spain (official name: so stop of say those pack of lies. Spain was in Olympic Games, and Expo 1888 was in Spain, (not in "sovereign State of Catalonia" hahaha...) CONSENSUS CAN NOT CHANGE FACTS, I reported that the Catalan language is not unique to Catalonia, or 20% of its inhabitants nationalists, should be ashamed that attitude. Any historian will tell you that Spain exists, and not those lies nationalists who appear in a Wikimedia webpage hijacked by political interests (again, nationalism is 20% of the population of a small part of the land where the Catalan language is spoken). Please be encyclopedic, and stop Invent fictitious states to censor data that is a FACT.

FACT (do you see the "sovereign state of Catalonia" 0r "Zoltan independent galaxy State" here?¿?):

Spain, officially the Kingdom of Spain,is a sovereign state and a member of the European Union . It is located on the Iberian Peninsula in southwestern Europe. Its mainland is bordered to the south and east by the Mediterranean Sea except for a small land boundary with Gibraltar; to the north and north east by France, Andorra, and the Bay of Biscay; and to the west and northwest by Portugal and the Atlantic Ocean. Spain's border with Portugal (1,214 km long) is the longest uninterrupted border within the European Union.

Shameful. Spain exists. Be enciclopedic.

FACT (do you see the "sovereign state of Catalonia" 0r "Zoltan independent galaxy State" here?¿?):

¿Can you see the difference? historians and children can, a webpage of Wikimedia can't:

¿Why I am discussing this FACT? Spain was in Olympics. Cawiki, Don't be a group of liars. "Consensus" of lies are not enciclopedic. Be enciclopedic, please. Thank you.

• As a french contributor, I thinck that some spanish extremists should/must stop their interfrences into wiki-catalan. Look at french sections [3]. At Bretons wiki there is also no french flag [4] , at corsian wiki there is also no french flag. At berber-kabyle wiki there also no arabic flag, the same for wiki-kurdish, wiki-scotish, wiki-tibetan... So spanish extremits must stop their interraction with wiki-catalan. Spanians must let catalans to work freely and without any oppretion! --Alsace38 (talk) 09:54, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

As a Wikipedia contributor, I think that some few nationalists should stop having kidnapped cawiki. in that web, edit articles where the flag of Spain is censored is prohibited. Censorship itself is extremist. And your comment it seems that you defend them. In your example the article "Alsace", the flag of France does appear, do not lie, please.

I do not know what the hell you're talking about "oppression", the "oppression" that I see is that in many historical articles about Spain or listings, the flag of Spain is censored, and the Spanish state not recognized while many Catalan-speaking territories are not nationalists, so why cawiki is?. And that it is "extremist".

Hello, as a TRUTH contributor, Spain organized Olimpics 1992, and Expo 1888, not the "Sovereign-State-of-Independent-Catalonia" OMG hahahaha... what ignorants in cawiki, that's not the Wikipedia in Catalan language, that'a the "Personal Wiki of nationalist 25% of catalan speakers from 25% of catalan speaking territories". The rest of territories (Valencian Comunity -not "Independent Valencian State"OMG-, Balearic Islands, Aragón Comunity, etc... are catalan speakers, but they are blocked to edit wikipedia.

Proud Spaniard,

Well, teach your children not to believe all that is written in Wikipedia.

Teach your children how to use a real encyclopedia. And teach them not to believe blindly all that they read. Even in real encyclopedias, there are some errors.

You just discovered that there is bullshit in Wikipedia. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia in construction. In Wikipedia, there are precious jewels, but there is also a lot of bullshit, including things much worse than this little family quarrel.

--Nnemo (talk) 19:43, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Nnemo, did you mean that the cabal of admins FOR SPANISH FLAGS CENSORSHIP AND "Spain" word BAN AND TO INVENT FICTION STATES is allowed in Wikipedia?¿? Regards.

When one speaks of Wikipedia admins, a lot of things that are "not allowed" take place. --Nnemo (talk) 16:48, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

El nacionalismo hace que cawiki pierda neutralidad. En "Referèndum d'autodeterminació de Catalunya" hay un 99% de enlaces de ideologías nacionalistas. No dejan escribir, pero tampoco dejan poner el cartel de "no neutral"

Cawiki nationalism miss causes a lack of neutrality. In "Referèndum d'autodeterminació de Catalunya" there is a 99% of links with nationalist ideologies. I keep writing, but they don't let me put the sign "not neutral". Please help.

This is not my IP. It has been banned by a cabal of nationalists admins (or expert users, I guess), because I insist to put the Spanish point of view. —Preceding undated comment added approximately 12:00, 01 June 2013 (UTC).

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