Proposal for dead links

A proposal from: Jeroenvrp 16:29, 20 Dec 2003 (UTC)

On the Dutch wikipedia the default for non-registered users/readers is to have all dead-links to show like this?. On the English Wikipedia, as you all know, the default for non-registered users/readers, is a red link.

There are both pros and cons for both options. A discussion was started on the Dutch Wikipedia and after doing some thinking, I came up with a new linkstyle for deadlinks: like this⁺ . A plus in superscript, same as the ?, but than a +. A very subtile change, but with large pros.

I know this requires a small change in the software, so I'm asking you all to comment in the discussion section below. Don't forget that I want to keep all style-options. So users and/or individual Wikipedias can choose between all options.

Lets make a list of pros and cons of the three options, according my opinion:

• Shows people that the link is "dead".
• Better for printing (if you print black and white).
• Conforms with the original design of the WWW as a hypertext medium.
• Makes better sense because links should always have meaningful link text.
• Increases accessibility for people who want to (or have to) use the keyboard to follow links (i.e. type in the link text).
  • Why should that be needed for deadlinks. They still can use tabs.
• Increases usability in cases like the "Jump to" window in Opera, or the GetRight Browser, which lists the links on the page by their link text.
  • See cons +-link
• Makes it more obvious to see the extent of the linked text. (While the ?-method is unambiguous with the square brackets around multiple words, it is pretty confusing before you're used to it, and the square brackets are (warning: POV) ugly anyway.)
  • Sorry not true. There are no square brackets around multiple words with ? or the proposed +.

• Bad for colourblind people
• Colour red has not the same meaning all over the globe (but then again, it doesn't really have this meaning in Western culture either)
• People are clicking on the link, not knowing it's a link to add content. Results sometimes in vandalism or people are getting frustrated and leaving the Wikipedia (again a future user gone).
• Not default Wiki-style

• Default wikistyle
• Good for colourblind people
• Small, so people don't click on it to fast. We want people to click on something if they really want to click on it.

• Looks very cluttered for people who don't know wiki, but are only caring for the content.
• Makes people think they can find an answer on the subject when they click the ?. The opposite is the case.
• Makes people think they can ask a question when they click the ?.
• ? stands for a question, not a answer.
• Small to click on
• Bad for printing. The ?'s are making the printed page less readable.
• Kind of defies the original design of the WWW as a hypertext medium.
  • see cons +-links.
• Links would not have meaningful link text, and in fact, many links would have the same link text.
  • see cons +-links.
• Decreases accessibility for people who want to (or have to) use the keyboard to follow links (i.e. type in the link text).
  • see cons +-links.
• Decreases usability in cases like the "Jump to" window in Opera, or the GetRight Browser, which lists the links on the page by their link text.
  • See cons +-links
• In case of single-word links, makes it less obvious to the newbie that it refers to only one word. In case of multi-word links, adds ugly square brackets; makes things look as if they were parenthetical when they're not.
  • see cons +-links.

• Makes people think they are going to add something when they click the + link. So it gives where it stands for, + = add more.
• Doesn't look cluttered.
• Good for printing, +'s are not making the printed page unreadable.
• Good for colourblind people
• Not normally part of end-of-sentence punctuation for English and other European languages.
  • This seems to stop? the sentence in the middle.
  • This does not seem to stop+ the sentence in the middle.
• Small, so people don't click on it too fast. We want people to click on something if they really want to click on it.

• Not default wikistyle.
• Small to click on
• Kind of defies the original design of the WWW as a hypertext medium.
  • I'm talking about deadlinks, not normal wikilinks
• Links would not have meaningful link text, and in fact, many links would have the same link text.
  • Sorry, but this makes no sense. Please, see ?-links.
• Decreases accessibility for people who want to (or have to) use the keyboard to follow links (i.e. type in the link text).
  • Not true. They are still links.
• Decreases usability in cases like the "Jump to" window in Opera, or the GetRight Browser, which lists the links on the page by their link text.
  • but is that a good thing? Why should deadlinks be listed in a linklist?
• In case of single-word links, makes it less obvious to the newbie that it refers to only one word. In case of multi-word links, adds ugly square brackets; makes things look as if they were parenthetical when they're not.
  • Same with ?-links. With ?-links, square brackets are not there with multiple words.

If you combine the red Link with the superscripted + you combine the pros of each single possibility and in addition you eliminate some of the cons, as i.e. the small to click on -- de:Benutzer:Sansculotte 131.246.94.16 02:45, 21 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Not a bad idea, but it still makes the text somewhat less readable. -- Timwi 02:54, 21 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I don't see how... (See below) --IsaacFreeman

A superscripted + is similar to a footnote or asterisk which is standard mark-up. (Especially since wik- ipedia/tionary is being approached as an iterative drafting process.) I also think that a combination of sorts would work, if the bad link page was a little bit more intuitive and newbie-friendly. I.e. have an immediate (but brief) explanation of what they just clicked on, and a short summary of WikiNature (something along the lines of "Being as Wikipedia is a collaberative... ...you could contribute by..." etc) and some links to various "help on editing" and "Wikipedia style" pages, etc... Just a few so as to not clutter the page up. But then at the bottom have a link "Create this page" or something... (I'll post some of this on a few other relevent pages...) --IsaacFreeman

Why not have both? i.e. we currently let logged in users choose between underlines and ?. Why not allow a third option of a superscripted +? Nanobug 12:47, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)

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