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The first one was created for a very specific purpose a couple of years ago and was never used again. The second one seems to have been created for testing. Is it safe to delete them? Thanks. -- MarcoAurelio (talk) 14:34, 29 January 2013 (UTC) Reply

I would think so. MBisanz ^talk 18:28, 29 January 2013 (UTC) Reply

Agreed. Doesn't look like those are needed anymore. -Barras talk 19:54, 29 January 2013 (UTC) Reply

Yep. Agreed. Trijnstel _talk 22:38, 29 January 2013 (UTC) Reply

• I deleted the first group. The second one is not unused. Ruslik (talk) 06:58, 6 February 2013 (UTC) Reply

Check with Vituzzu. I think we was doing some tests with the "Foundation and Chapters Staff"-group. -- Tegel _(Talk) 11:05, 6 February 2013 (UTC) Reply

Yes, the second one should remain. Philippe (WMF) (talk) 22:44, 20 February 2013 (UTC) Reply

A recently archived checkuser request for Collingwood / Poetlister was closed as positive. The IP trace for Poetlister IP was stale. How was this CU confirmed? Steward requests/Checkuser/2013-02#Collingwood@en.wikiversity -- Jtneill - Talk 20:17, 15 February 2013 (UTC) Reply

I would suggest that you try contacting the steward that handled the case. Snowolf ^{How can I help?} 20:52, 15 February 2013 (UTC) Reply

Thanks - I've followed up here: User talk:Millosh#Collingwood CU/lock -- Jtneill - Talk 03:42, 16 February 2013 (UTC) Reply

Millosh posted[1] to Steward requests/Checkuser/2013-02 that " Presently, I am not able to disclose the details. But, I think that the details will be presented in the next couple of weeks. --Millosh (talk) 16:29, 16 February 2013 (UTC)". We looked forward to more details as appropriate as there is little to go on so far and Collingwood has requested local unlock via email for access to en.wv. Sincerely, James -- Jtneill - Talk 22:46, 19 February 2013 (UTC) Reply

The Wikimedia Foundation has been monitoring the Collingwood account for some time, since suspicions were first raised. Using a combination of technical and non-technical data, we are confident (four independent staff members, analyzing independently and sharing their results at the end feel exactly the same way) that Collingwood can not possibly be independent of Poetlister. The Foundation will adamently oppose any local unblock. Poetlister represents a clear danger to our editing community, and we will not allow that. Full technical data will not be shared publicly, for a variety of confidentiality based reasons. Philippe (WMF) (talk) 21:25, 20 February 2013 (UTC) Reply

Thankyou for providing this additional information about how the check-user confirmation was made and also clarifying WMF's position with regard to the Poetlister et al. accounts. -- Jtneill - Talk 22:22, 13 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Special:Log/newusers - its like an endless flow. sats (talk) 14:26, 16 February 2013 (UTC) Reply

Modify that - maybe someone with a good knowledge of what and how the automatically created accounts means - (like what is generating them, and why?)

it has been occurring since November 11 - and has beeen churning through well over 20,000 + account names

It might be an obvious process to someone - it would be great to have it explained somewhere - cheers sats (talk) 15:29, 16 February 2013 (UTC) Reply

Hello, you need a good read of Help:Unified login. It will clarify everything. --Nemo 15:38, 16 February 2013 (UTC) Reply

Hey - thank you very much for that - appreciate your tolerance - cheers sats (talk) 16:07, 16 February 2013 (UTC) Reply

There is a bit of reading between the lines to do though - over 100,000 user names have been automatically added (wikivoyage doesnt even have 30,000 articles yet) and it appears the addition is on going - is it that the process will not finish, and that automatically generated usernames are something that will be in the background for a considerable time to come...?

Is there a better place to ask technical questions about this process ? sats (talk) 01:25, 17 February 2013 (UTC) Reply

When a user who is already globally logged into WMF sites visits en.wv, they get an account created for them if they don't already have one. They don't have to do anything. For example, if you're logged in globally and you go to Vietnamese Wikibooks (I'm guessing you've never been there), it will create an account automatically for you. You will be able to see it in the log here. This, that and the other (talk) 01:40, 17 February 2013 (UTC) Reply

These accounts are made whenever a SUL visits the site for the first time, iirc. That's why it happens over time, because there is no automatic process. Ajraddatz (Talk) 01:41, 17 February 2013 (UTC) Reply

Thanks for your answers, appreciate that - maybe over time a page/section at wikivoyage needs to have an amalgam of explanations made so far... sats (talk) 11:11, 17 February 2013 (UTC) Reply

Please give a look. --Nemo 12:29, 18 February 2013 (UTC) Reply

I couldn't find any previous bug on this matter, but unless I'm missing something this seems obviously desirable. I'm linking the bug here in the (remote, I'd think) case this affects stewards' work in any way, in which case they may want to discuss it here and then report the conclusion on the bug. --Nemo 15:26, 21 February 2013 (UTC) Reply

I came across an interesting thing in wiki-syntax regarding usernames. There is a user by the name of "Mik@el" on the Finnish Wikipedia. As an administrator I am unable to change his user rights, because the system message (translated from Finnish) tells me that I do not have permission to change user rights in other projects. The system seems to think he is user Mik (at) el. I am not asking for any stewards to change any rights, but I am wondering if the problem is universal and if the stewards are the only resort in cases like this. --Pxos (talk) 20:56, 21 February 2013 (UTC) Reply

In this case and similar cases you can avoid the problem by entering the user ID – in the form #user ID – instead of username to Special:Userrights. You can find instructions on how to do this in the Steward handbook (section Encoding problems). –Ejs-80 21:33, 21 February 2013 (UTC) Reply

Thank you for the answer. This has been an episode of "Global problems solved locally" brought to you by the Finnish sysops. Good night! --Pxos (talk) 21:38, 21 February 2013 (UTC) Reply

According to the recent election results and the vote rules it is hereby resolved that the following 6 users are approved as Stewards:

1. Amqui (talk · contribs)
2. BRUTE (talk · contribs)
3. Jon Harald Søby (talk · contribs)
4. Mathonius (talk · contribs)
5. MF-Warburg (talk · contribs)
6. QuiteUnusual (talk · contribs)

The Election Committee wishes to thank the candidates for their time and interest; and the voters for the time spent reviewing the candidates and taking part in this global process.

The results of the 2013 stewards confirmation will be released in the upcoming days.

For the election committee,
Snowolf ^{How can I help?} 01:33, 28 February 2013 (UTC) Reply
Vituzzu (talk) 01:33, 28 February 2013 (UTC) Reply
—DerHexer (Talk) 01:40, 28 February 2013 (UTC) Reply

Congrats to all the new stewards! πr² (t • c) 01:34, 28 February 2013 (UTC) Reply

+1 -- Avi (talk) 04:37, 28 February 2013 (UTC) Reply

Congratulations! Laaknor (talk) 08:36, 28 February 2013 (UTC) Reply

++ :) LeinaD (t) 09:07, 28 February 2013 (UTC) Reply

Congrats ! -- Quentinv57 ^(talk) 11:29, 28 February 2013 (UTC) Reply

Congrats to our new fellow stewards! -Barras talk 11:44, 28 February 2013 (UTC) Reply

Hip hip hurrah! ✒ Bennylin 16:57, 28 February 2013 (UTC) Reply

My congratulations to all new (and not so new) stewards. Ruslik (talk) 19:00, 28 February 2013 (UTC) Reply

And my congratulations as well. I look forward to working with you. If there's anything my team can do to be of assistance (other than just generally staying out of trouble and not making a nuisance of ourselves, which we've proven incapable of), please do ask. Philippe (WMF) (talk) 06:46, 1 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

Congratulations to all of the new stewards and good luck! :) Trijnstel _talk 19:22, 2 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

Have the confirmations been confirmed? -- Avi (talk) 16:37, 11 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

Seems so, per Talk:Stewards/Confirm/2013/en. Rights have been already removed from those not confirmed. Best regards. -- MarcoAurelio (talk) 16:58, 11 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

Can't believe I missed that :doh:. Thanks. -- Avi (talk) 19:30, 11 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

This was originally posted at Sysop abuse of authority in Aceh Wikipedia by User:Si Gam, moved here by J.delanoy ^gabs _adds

User:Si Gam (formerly known as Si Gam Acèh) deleted the article Geurija Isa Jatoë (ie. the Acehnese translation of True Jesus Church) in Aceh Wikipedia on February 20, 2013.

The Acehnese article had been translated into the Acehnese language by User:Si Gam Acèh himself on November 30, 2008.

However, since July 19, 2010, User:Si Gam Acèh became angry with the Danish cartoon drawings depicting the prophet muhammad. This led him to make edits such as blanking photos on other wikipedia editions, proposing that Aceh wikipedia be closed and other related acts which led to him being blocked on certain wikipedia editions.

• On July 24, 2010 User:Si Gam tagged the TJC article on Aceh Wikipedia (Geurija Isa Jatoë) as {{delete|author request}} .
• The deleted article was restored by User:Juhko on August 8, 2010.

• On February 20, 2013 User:Si Gam (who has now been granted temporary sysop priviledges by User:Trijnstel) deleted the TJC article on Aceh wikipedia with the reasoning "le salah" (there are mistakes).

• On March 3, 2013 I restored the article today but it was deleted a few hours later by User:Si Gam with the same reason given: "le salah" ([2]).

In my opinion, the so-called 'mistakes' (if there were any) can still be fixed by other Aceh speakers later on and does not warrant a deletion. I suspect that his deletion has a religious motive in it.

I had written on his talk page a while ago but he undid the revision.

User:Si Gam is not behaving in an appropriate manner and I recommend that he be Removed from his sysop priviledges should he continue his current path of conduct on Aceh Wikipedia. --Jose77 (talk) 04:54, 3 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

Moved this thread here. For myself, I don't read Achinese, so I am not entirely sure what is going on there, but the wheel warring is definitely unacceptable. J.delanoy ^gabs _adds 05:09, 3 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

I have restored the article on 05:25 (March 3, 2013). I have no doubts that he will delete it again with the same trumped-up reasoning. --Jose77 (talk) 05:33, 3 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

The article has been deleted again at 8.57 (March 3, 2013). I will entrust this matter to you stewards from here onwards. Goodnight. --Jose77 (talk) 09:15, 3 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

I have notified Si Gam of this thread; in reply to J.delanoy, I don't see any wheelwarring since the infamous case in 2010.. Am I missing something? Snowolf ^{How can I help?} 09:19, 3 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

Probably just a misunderstanding of Jose77's words. Jose77 is not a local admin, so by 'restore' he manually recreated the page, I believe. Hence not a wheelwar--Bencmq (talk) 01:16, 6 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

Just 1 comment. The article contains many mistakes. And since November 30, 2008, no one improve it. -- Si Gam (talk) 09:23, 3 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

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FYI, we have article about church (ace:Geurija), Christianity (ace:Kristen) and Judaism (ace:Yahudi). So the accusation is baseless. -- Si Gam (talk) 05:22, 4 March 2013 (UTC) Reply Just because the article on Christianity (ace:Kristen) exists, it does not mean that other Christian groups or Christian denominations (regardless whether or not they are seen as a 'minority' group) cannot be allowed to exist on Aceh Wikipedia. Otherwise it would be likened to the 16th century days in Europe when only the Catholic church was seen as 'legitimate' and all other christian groups outlawed at that time. It would also be akin to Aceh local authorities allowing only 1 church and a few chapels to exist and shutting down the other churches. --Jose77 (talk) 08:30, 7 March 2013 (UTC) Reply The reason is because the article has mistakes in Acehnese language. You do not know about churches in Aceh Singkil. You do not live in Aceh. Please come here, so I will show you that the churches was built illegally. -- Si Gam (talk) 12:21, 7 March 2013 (UTC) Reply The fact that the article contains Indonesian loan words does not justify your actions. The English language also has loan words derived from other languages. The Aceh language would also have loan words from Indonesian and it would be understood by most Aceh people anyway (just like the Philippino language has Spanish loan words in their vocabulary). --Jose77 (talk) 06:26, 8 March 2013 (UTC) Reply Also for your information, the reason why the churches in Aceh Singkil were declared 'illegal' was because the rules used by Aceh authorities were based on regional agreements used during 1979, but since then the christian population there has expanded to 15,000 so it is neither fair nor appropriate for Aceh authorities to enforce those outdated rules on the churches in Aceh Singkil. --Jose77 (talk) 06:26, 8 March 2013 (UTC) Reply Hi, reading the conversation above, I felt that the conversation has gone off-topic. Now let's back to the main topic. The article was deleted, citing "the article has mistakes in Acehnese language", and Jose77 want the article to be restored. Let's focus on that and not going out-of-topic. ✒ Bennylin 11:34, 8 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

If an article has mistakes, then you can tag the mistakes with a {{fact}} tag and then bring up a discussion on the talk page. In my experience, when in doubt, start a discussion. WhisperToMe (talk) 10:40, 5 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

Yes, we have waited for years and no one correct it. -- Si Gam (talk) 16:08, 6 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

No tags of any sort were ever placed on the article in Aceh Wikipedia so the Aceh users were not made aware that they could help fix any mistakes wherever they happened to be. --Jose77 (talk) 08:30, 7 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

Indonesian version:	Aceh translation:	English translation:
"Gereja Yesus Sejati" adalah gereja non-denominasi (mandiri) yang didirikan di Beijing, RRC pada tahun 1917. Gereja ini dimulai di Cina pada tahun 1900-an, di antara Gereja-gereja Protestan, sementara teologinya berakar pada Gerakan Pentakosta. Pada 1939, Injil dikhotbahkan ke Indonesia dan Gereja Yesus Sejati pun didirikan di Indonesia. Keseluruhan anggota Gereja ini sekitar 1,5 juta orang jumlahnya dan terdapat di lima benua. Kesepuluh kepercayaan terpenting Gereja Yesus Sejati ialah: Penerimaan Roh Kudus Baptisan air Sakramen pembasuhan kaki Perjamuan kudus Hari Sabat Yesus Kristus Alkitab Keselamatan Gereja Kedatangan Tuhan	"Geurija Isa Jatoë" nakeuh geurija non-denominasi (döng keudroë) nyang geupeudöng di Beijing, RRC bak thôn 1917. Geurija nyoë geupeuphôn di Cina bak thôn thôn 1990, di antara Geurija-geurija Protestan, salang teologijih meuukheuë bak Neugrak Pentakosta. Bak thôn 1939, Injil geupeukhôtbah u Indonesia dan Geurija Isa Jatoë pih geupeudöng di Indonesia. Ban dum anggèëta Geurija nyoë na meu 1,5 yuta droë dan na bak limöng beunuwa. Ban siplôh boh peuë nyang geupeucaya paléng peunténg Geurija Isa Jatoë nakeuh: Teurimong Roh Kudus Baptis Ië Sakramen rhah gaki Peujamèë kudus Uroë Sabat Yesus Kristus Injil Seulamat Geurija Trôk Tuhan	The "True Jesus Church" is a non-denominational church (independent) which was established in Beijing, China in 1917. The church began in China in the 1900s, among the Protestant churches, while theology is rooted in the Pentecostal Movement. In 1939, the gospel was preached to Indonesia and the True Jesus Church was established in Indonesia. The entire Church has approximately 1.5 million members and exists on five continents. The ten main beliefs of the True Jesus Church are: Holy Spirit Water Baptism Sacrament of Foot Washing Holy Communion Sabbath Day Jesus Christ Holy Bible Salvation Church Final Judgement of the Lord

The article was translated by User:Si Gam Aceh based on the the Indonesian version. Yes, he did make some minor mistakes such as typing "1990" instead of "1900"; keeping the Indonesian word "Yesus Kristus" instead of replacing it with the Aceh word "Isa Almaseh" (Matthew 1:1); keeping the word "Injil" instead of replacing it with "Alkitab" ([3]); "Baptis" instead of "Teupumanö" (Luke 3:3) But overall speaking, it has been substantially translated into Acehnese and any mistakes could be fixed later on by other Aceh speakers -- not to be immediately deleted by User:Si Gam. --Jose77 (talk) 09:00, 7 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

The article was deleted on July 25, 2010. That was the tag. Do you understand Acehnese better than me? Even all Christianity materials (Bible, Good News etc) that are translated into Acehnese are full of mistakes. So do not guess something that you do not know. -- Si Gam (talk) 12:21, 7 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

The tag used on July 25, 2010 was the speedy deletion tag. When Aceh speakers see such a tag, it is unlikely they would be motivated to improve the article.

In reply to your subsequent comment on mistakes, I have already responded here. --Jose77 (talk) 07:26, 8 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

Yes, the article contains some Indonesian words, but also there are many wrong Acehnese words. Even the title is wrong. You know nothing about our native tongue. So do not use your language standard to our language. -- Si Gam (talk) 18:19, 8 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

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Every worship place construction in Indonesia must follow Surat Keputusan Bersama 3 Menteri (Joint Decree 3 Ministers). And the churches in Singkil did not follow the rule. Before you talk about fairness, you can look your country first, how your country bans mosque. You can compare with Moscow which has more than 2.000.000 muslims but there are only 4 mosques. -- Si Gam (talk) 18:19, 8 March 2013 (UTC) Reply Both of you: We're not arguing religion or politics here. The question is whether or not there was an abuse of authority. Period. Whatever conclusion is reached here will have no bearing on the status of Christians in Indonesia or the status of Muslims in Russia, so bringing them up serves no purpose other than to construct straw man arguments. — PinkAmpers & (Je vous invite à me parler) 11:38, 9 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

OK, what kind of tag do you want? And how long you need time for the article before deletion? -- Si Gam (talk) 18:31, 8 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

You have put the tag. We will see in one month. If there is no one who correct it, the article will be deleted. -- Si Gam (talk) 13:03, 9 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

In the meantime I messaged ace:User:Naval Scene and asked him to take a look. A draft of a new article can also be put on a userpage. WhisperToMe (talk) 08:58, 11 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

I also went ahead and messaged the village pump of ACE asking users to check the accuracy of the article. WhisperToMe (talk) 05:32, 15 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

Naval said that Si Gam is better at Acehnese grammar than he is. I responded by saying it's fine if he lets Si Gam worry about the grammar, but that I'm interested in factual accuracy. WhisperToMe (talk) 08:08, 19 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

Prehistory. Current sysops of Chechen Wikipedia are:

1. Not objective in the basic social realities and historical events. They still write that "Ichkeria" is an independent state and they "know nothing abouth Chechnya as a part of Russia".
2. ... permanently banned users with large contributions without warnings and discussions. Also, this user in 2 days gonna take the sysop permission so it is nothing but the instrument of political games - ban of the opponent.
3. ... remove discussion page in the Request for adminship, with the votes of users.
4. ... block for editions all "hot" articles about Chechnya for non-sysop users.
5. They know nothing about Non-free images
6. Also, many of the current sysops take their permissions without discussions. For example, user Dagger - if you show me those discussion pages, I will be grateful.
7. Pre-prehistory--Soul Train (talk) 12:00, 12 March 2013 (UTC) Reply
8. Another non-free file uploading without link and authors from Dagger.--Soul Train (talk) 13:34, 12 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

• + Dagger rolls back my edits in ce-wiki where I delete the flag of a nonexistant state from the Template:Hello without reason. Saint Johann (ru) 14:56, 12 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

  And also writes on user (not Talk) page :) Sysop...--Soul Train (talk) 14:59, 12 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

• And now we got it: the RFA page blanked and protected; the only reason given by the new admin is that they are not going to discuss the RFA of Дагиров Умар.--Ymblanter (talk) 18:28, 12 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

Восстановлена моя страница обсуждение где бюрократ Sasan700 называл меня козлом и позволил себе говорить о половых органах моих предков до 7 поколение. -- Дагиров Умар (talk) 18:51, 12 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

Коьрта агlона лакхен борз

Хьажа хlай газа хьо ма йар йолу! Аса хьай де тlян д1адохуьтур ду хьун ахьа кхи нохчийн байракх кху чура д1айакхахь, йа гlаскхашна бохкабелчера байракх тохахь! хьа хlу гlулкх ду? хьуна йа нохчийн маттахь язда ца хаьа! хьо гlаскхий безаш даладолуш зуд ду! хьай вархlа де тlян далларг ма бе кху чохь бид... борша доцу хьоза.

Я сан дийцаре аг1онан чохь кхи хийцамаш ма бе, ахьа бина болу бид гуш lаш вар со, со хьуна тlекхочур вац мет хьуна? хьо зуд мичахь lашду хиан суна, ахьа кхучура когаш ца бахь аса доца дуьцур ду хьеца!Sasan700(A,Д) 22:45, 27 нажи бутт 2012 (UTC).. -- Дагиров Умар (talk) 18:54, 12 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

Аса хьай де тlян д1адохуьтур ду хьун. Угроза. -- Дагиров Умар (talk) 18:55, 12 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

• Also, please see recent deletions in ce-wiki. Saint Johann (ru) 21:31, 12 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

  Ask the stewards to pay attention to the behavior of the Chechen Wikipedia administrators as you can tolerate the threats and insults. -- Дагиров Умар (talk) 21:58, 12 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

• + 87.106.143.252 need to check, because he has unhealthy interest to Umar' person. I think that this can be one of sysops in ce-wiki. Saint Johann (ru) 22:13, 12 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

• Can I ask if the stewards are planning to do anything about this? I find that an admin deleting their own request for rights removal page to be a serious conflict of interest. [4] --Rs chen 7754 23:24, 12 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

They really killed me to create this page with my data. -- Дагиров Умар (talk) 02:34, 13 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

• ... Кто вам дал права чтобы здесь голосовать? идите и голосуйте в своей русской википедии! Translate: Who gives you the right to voting here? Go to your Russian Wikipedia and vote there! Very "tolerate" administrators.--Soul Train (talk) 06:29, 13 March 2013 (UTC) Reply
• Stewards, where are you!?--Soul Train (talk) 06:41, 13 March 2013 (UTC) Reply
  • Hi. Stewards are currently reviewing the case, which needs more than a couple of minutes. Please hold on, we didn't forget you. Regards, -- Quentinv57 ^(talk) 10:56, 13 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

    Great to hear, thanks.--Ymblanter (talk) 11:05, 13 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

• Just for history. Permissions withdrawal requests page was deleted in Chechen Wikipedia by user Kade. I request to restore the page and remove sysop permissions from this user immediately. Also he blocked for editions Requests for adminship page and removed all discussions at Dagirov Umar's request. And also he deleted Requests for bureaucratship page--Soul Train (talk) 07:15, 13 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

I'm sorry I do not know what to do next. --Дагиров Умар (talk) 10:02, 13 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

I wonder who could have done it. --Дагиров Умар (talk) 10:25, 13 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

Jy he used my pictures to humiliate me. -- Дагиров Умар (talk) 10:29, 13 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

And he gave me a link. -- Дагиров Умар (talk) 10:31, 13 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

Ok, and now those guys started blindly reverting our contributions for these three days, does not matter whether the edits are sensible or not. I am not anymore interested in making any contributions to this project until they retain advanced permissions.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:41, 13 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

I have left a message for Dagger at ce:Декъашхон_дийцаре:Dagger#Your_block_of_.D0.94.D0.B0.D0.B3.D0.B8.D1.80.D0.BE.D0.B2_.D0.A3.D0.BC.D0.B0.D1.80 and I find his comments problematic -- not just for himself, but for all ce.wp sysops. Unless these sysops are willing to come across to Meta to explain themselves, a project wide desysop of all bureaucrats and admins would obviously be the only answer. :( Russavia (talk) 17:47, 13 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

Answer. Saint Johann (ru) 19:54, 13 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

• Saint Johann was banned for this request. Just for trying to remove un-encyclopedic materials and non-free content from Ce-Wikipedia. I also was banned there just because I reverted editions of user Lezgistxa in the article about Lezgi language where he put the Latin alphabet. Lezgi writing language based only on Cyrillic alphabet. I am administrator of Lezgi Wikipedia, but Lezgistxa was banned in Lezgi Wikipedia by other administrators of Lezgi descent for his mystifications. Yes, it was edit war, but I don't think that it is a good reason for banning user for 6 months without permission to edit own Talk page (Lezgistxa was not banned). And, of course, I request to ban Lezgistxa (another accounts - User:Namik555, User:LNSA, and many others) in all projects! But this is different story...--Soul Train (talk) 22:28, 14 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

  Who will be next? Russavia? Generous?--Soul Train (talk) 22:31, 14 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

I'm growing increasingly concerned with the complete lack of meaningful response from the stewards regarding this matter. It has been at least a week since this issue has begun, and the stewards have not done anything about the matter. --Rs chen 7754 22:44, 14 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

Stewards have no clear authority to act in this matter, see our role described at Stewards. That said we are discussing it, as noted above by steward Quentinv57. At this point of time there is one perspective presented here, and we are seeking further information. It takes time. Best we can say is that is being discussed. Stewards are not an ArbCom, other disputes internal to wikis have been discussed through RFC. In the end stewards are given authority to act or to injunct through direction from a broad community consensus. — billinghurst sDrewth 23:21, 14 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

• And that was my last edition on my TP: "I do respect those people who I deem to be respected. I'm doing what I think is necessary. I live in the free country, in the free world, and I use the free internet. And Wikipedia is the Free Encyclopedia. Unfortunately, you don't know about it. (I hope), it can be corrected." This is quite pathetic, but we just want the freedom to Wikipedia. This is not about Russian-Chechen war in 1990s, not about Kremlin, terrorists and even not about Russia. It is about the Principles of our international project.--Soul Train (talk) 22:58, 14 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

• At a glance it seems to be definitely a Chechens vs. Russians war, nor us as stewards, nor the Foundation, nor any Wikimedian can act in order to make one of the two parties win this war which is, definitely, a negation of the second pillar of Wikipedia.--Vituzzu (talk) 23:10, 14 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

  For years the best practice for userrights management on small wikis has been avoiding local bureaucrats and rather using temporary ones. From an external point of view Cechen Wikipedia seems to be caught in a sort of cul-de-sac since current active community seems to be now different from the one which got rights in the past. So, in accordance with other Stewards, within three days after notifying my intention I'll remove local permanent rights asking people to reapply for a temporary, renowable adminship, I also plan a review of last blocks, as a premise to an rfc with both sides here, on meta. --Vituzzu (talk) 00:22, 15 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

  "Chechens vs. Russians war" - And why do we protect the rights of Chechens - Dagirov Umar and Simba16? Uh?!--Soul Train (talk) 06:25, 15 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

  I like the idea of clean slate in removing all admins and bureaucrats; no requests for a month (cool off); and then normal process of the community nomination and reaching a consensus for future temporary admins. Review all recent blocks. Sounds like a plan. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:26, 15 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

  I think this sounds good too. :) --Rs chen 7754 01:11, 15 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

  +1. Good plan.--Soul Train (talk) 06:27, 15 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

  Certainly a good idea.--Ymblanter (talk) 06:27, 15 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

• I also request to remove and hide my blocking. It was absolutely unlawfully.--Soul Train (talk) 07:04, 15 March 2013 (UTC) Reply
• They just delete, not archivate, notifications.--Soul Train (talk) 07:55, 15 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

  They screw up in many places - see for example the edit history of this redirect, which was just deliberately broken, and on top of this blocks now a page move back to the Cyrillic name - but let us discuss it after we will get a chance to contribute. The proposed decision is very much reasonable, and I am looking forward to a friendly environment over there.--Ymblanter (talk) 09:20, 15 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

  Cutting off useless requests is a good step, no blocklog will be hid nor I personally care of any deleted notif. --Vituzzu (talk) 13:21, 15 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

  Via Dagger's talk page, I have left a note of the proposed means forward if there is no resolution. I have also asked him to let that be known to the broader community, and I have left direction to this page. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:33, 15 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

• Проблема в Че-Вики началась тогда, когда Умар пришел в раздел и начал делать изменения, ни одна "статья" написанная им не была написана без ошибок. Ты мне показал статью Юрт-Аух, и этим ты аргументируешь его знания чеченского языка?! Уметь говорить, не значит уметь писать, понимаешь?! Ты знаешь сколько грубых ошибок именно в этой статье? Про вандализм Умара уже сказано, он не будет в Мете признаваться виновным, когда мы его предупредили, он сказал, что больше не будет выставлять эту фотку, и по аудио связи мы сним говорили, он признал свою вину, но он это сейчас будет отрицать, ибо его цель любыми путями стать Администратором на Че-Вики. Когда я ему сделал замечание на счёт исправлений "Чечня" на "Россия" он сказал, что он находится в России и не может писать иное, это говорит о том, что этого человека движет страх или он кем-то специально подталкивается, или он поддерживает Ичкерию, но боится об этом говорить. Если кто-то полезит в русскую или английскую версию Вики и начнёт делать исправления с ошибками, ему это позволят?! Почему из Че-Вики должны делать проходной двор и засорять мусором?! Если ты мне приведешь человека который будет писать лучше меня на чеченском, я ничего не скажу, но с кандидатурой Умара я крайне не согласен как и остальные участники. Я вполне могу сказать, что цель этой затеи с самого начала убрать с сайта чеченский флаг принятый в 1991 году Парламентом Чеченской Республики Ичкерия, так как против Ичкерии ведётся не только физическая борьба но и информационная на всех уровнях. Я в свою очередь обязался не допускать оскорблений в адрес России, или кого либо на чеченской версии Вики, но никем я не был услышен. На сайте делаются необоснованные изменения связанные с Чечней, мотивируя это лишь фактами которые напечатал Кремль. Dagger Qonax (talk) 16:04, 15 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

The problem Che Vicki began when Umar came to the section and started to make changes, no "article" written by him was not written correctly. You showed me an article Yurt Auch, and that you argumentiruesh his knowledge of the Chechen language? Able to speak, not to be able to write, you know? You know exactly how many blunders in this article? About vandalism Umar said, he would not be held guilty in Meta, when we had been warned, he said he would no longer stand this picture, and audio communication we will remove said he admitted his guilt, but he will now be denied because its goal by any means to administer on Che-wiki. When I made a comment to him at the expense of fixes, "Chechnya" to "Russia", he said that it is in Russia and could not write otherwise, it is said that this man is driven by fear, or he pushed someone special, or does it support Ichkeria, but is afraid to talk about it. If someone reached into the Russian or English version of Wiki and will make corrections to errors, it will allow him to? Why, of Che-wiki should make passing yard debris and litter? If you bring a man who I will write better than me in the Chechen, I will not say anything, but the candidacy of Umar I highly disagree as other participants. I can well say that the goal of this venture from the beginning to remove from the site of the Chechen flag was adopted in 1991 by the Parliament of the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria, as against Ichkeria is not only a physical struggle and information at all levels. I, in turn, obliged to prevent insults to Russia, or anyone on the Chechen version of the wiki, but no one I did not hear you. The site makes unreasonable changes linked to Chechnya, citing only the facts that are printed Kremlin. Dagger Qonax (talk) 16:04, 15 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

Soul Train начал делать изменения и вставлять шаблоны на удаление, зачем? Кораны из Суры он посчитал ненужными, тогда когда в Че-Вики мало статей, если и их удалить, то колличесто откатится назад. Весь вклад который могут сделать эти участники которые затеяли этот спор, это удаление и изменение! Никто из них не умеет писать по чеченски! Soul Train презренно удалял каждое слово "Джохар", вернее начал сомной "войну откатов" не понимая смысл предложения в который было написано слово "Джохар". Эти люди хотят просто убрать упоминание о Ичкерии и Джохаре, больше ничего им не нужно.

Дагиров Умар говорит, что мы создали блог в которой размещено его фото, по каким основаниям он нас обвиняет? В таком случаи, я говорю, что этот блог создал сам Дагиров Умар, чтобы пожаловаться на нас в хулиганстве и вандализме, этим самым добиться снятия с нас флажков.

Мы работает над проектом, есть план на развитие, и в ближайшем будущем Чеченская Википедия станет неузнаваемой в прямом смысле, конечно если нам дадут поработать. Официальный язык общения на Чеченской Википедии является чеченский язык, но эти люди говорят только по русски. Dagger Qonax (talk) 16:04, 15 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

Soul Train began to make changes and insert templates for deletion, why? Quran from Surah he considered unnecessary, then when Che Vicki few articles, if they were removed, Nuber setback. All contributions that can be made, these participants who started the argument, this removal and change! None of them knows how to write for the Chechen! Soul Train contemptible delete every word "Johar", or rather began chromosomal "war kickbacks" not understanding the meaning of the sentence in which it was written the word "Johar". These people just want to remove the mention of Ichkeria and Jowhar, nothing they do not need.

Dagirov Umar says that we have created a blog which posted a photo of him, on what grounds he accuse us? In that case, I say that this blog is created by myself Dagirov Umar to complain to us of hooliganism and vandalism, thereby work towards removing us from the flags.

We are working on a project to develop a plan, and in the near future Chechen Wikipedia become unrecognizable in the literal sense, of course, if they give us work. The official language of communication in the Chechen Chechen language Wikipedia is, but these people only speak Russian. Dagger Qonax (talk) 16:04, 15 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

"Soul Train начал делать изменения и вставлять шаблоны на удаление" Let we start from the fact that it was user Saint Johann, and the article about Grozny city also renamed by Saint Johann. o_O--Soul Train (talk) 09:08, 16 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

Когда мы говорим, что Умар занимался вандализмом на Чеченской Википедии, все говорят предоставить доказательства, а когда Умар обвиняет нас в том, что мы создали блог, то доказательства не нужны? Не надо играть на одну сторону или крутить политику двойных стандартов, Умар не святая корова. Dagger Qonax (talk) 16:04, 15 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

When we say that Umar doing vandalism on Wikipedia, Chechen, they all say to provide evidence, and when Umar accuses us of what we have created a blog, the evidence is not necessary? Do not play on one side or twist of double standards, Umar no holy cow. Dagger Qonax (talk) 16:04, 15 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

Umar is not administrator at the moment, but you are. And when you block somebody, you must have the serious reason. IPs that put porno images in the articles of Ce-WP were not Russian IPs and Umar was in Russia at the moment so it can't be Umar. This is the simple things, but all of you said that it was Umar. Don't you understand that your arguments so ridiculous and every Steward can technically check this fact?--Soul Train (talk) 09:24, 16 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

Я не могу зайти с профиля Dagger в Мета Вики, поэтому пишу с другой учетной записи, которая не используется мной. Она создана для того, чтобы заходить в определенное время или в определенных местах, чтобы сохранить безопасность для профиля с администраторским флажком. Dagger Qonax (talk) 16:04, 15 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

I can not go to the profile Dagger in Meta wiki, so I write from a different account, which is not used by me. It is designed to go at certain times or in certain places, to maintain security for the profile with administrator flag.16:04, 15 March 2013 (UTC)Qonax (talk)

Discussions on the removal of articles and users are, but only in the Chechen language. Without discussion we remove the article that clearly are missing or are not written in Chechen. If you are unsure of the Chechen language, we are not to blame. If you want to write articles on the Chechen wikipedia then no you do not interfere, provided that the articles are written in a literary Chechen language and it does not need admin rights. Mega programmer (talk) 16:05, 15 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

Soul Train в оскорбительной форме обвинил меня в "бесстыжей лжи" из-за того, что я исправил его ошибку на чеченском языке. Dagger Qonax (talk) 16:28, 15 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

Soul Train in an insulting manner accused me of being "shameless lies" because I corrected his mistake in Chechen. Dagger Qonax (talk) 16:28, 15 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

Well, ALL dictionaries use "пуьчаш" (which you claim is wrong). Just google it. It looks like you speak Chechen but none of the authors of the dictionaries does. And your objection to Soul Train was "Who are you that I should explain you anything".--Ymblanter (talk) 16:23, 15 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

I use exactly this dictionary that your leader, Sasan700, uploaded to Chechen Wikipedia. I correct the misstake in the article about Australia and you said that I'm wrong. So I'm ask you again, Dagger, who is tho fool - two authors of the dictionary, Sasan700 who uploaded this dictionary, I am, who using this dictionary corrected the misstake, or you who saying that we all wrong? :)--Soul Train (talk) 09:14, 16 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

На Чеченской Википедии языком общения является литературный чеченский язык, соответственно статьи составляются только на литературном. Сам чеченский язык состоит из 9 и более диалектов, но в литературе используется только нохчмахкхоевский диалект, и на литературном чеченском языке ложь это "пуьТаш" или "эшпаш". Qonax (talk) 22:26, 15 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

Wikipedia on Chechen language of communication is a literary Chechen language, respectively heading is only literary. Chechen language itself consists of 9 or more dialects, but the literature is only nohchmahkhoevsky dialect, and in the literary Chechen lie is "puTash" or "eshpash." Qonax (talk) 22:26, 15 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

As I understand, stewards, foreign users, bots and others must write their messages in literary Chechen language (without misstakes) there, bacause in "Wikipedia on Chechen language of communication is a literary Chechen language". Otherwise, they will be blocked. I just write your message agein, Dagger. Nice. OK. It is very cool rule, I do respect it, you doing your job well :)--Soul Train (talk) 11:32, 16 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

Participants of the Russian wiki started mass terror against of Caucasian Wikipedia, and now they are complaining that they have blocked. they create a page in the Chechen and Lezgian wiki in Russian page tihis vandalism.Namik555 (talk) 23:12, 15 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

• Namik555 is another account of user Lezgistxa as well as LNSA and others.--Soul Train (talk) 10:23, 16 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

Here is an example of creating in Russian pages Lezghin Wikipedia lez:Шаблон:Infobox, page lez:Лезгияр This list will be very long. From the fact that I have them I delete blocked. Namik555 (talk) 12:13, 16 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

• Hi! Thanks for informing me about some complaints on me. I will try to write in short. I would like to add starting from (Дагиров Умар) Dagirov Umar. This client doesn't know the Chechen language was blocked for posting empty pages in 2009. He even tried to contact me and asked me for permission to make him administrator. In my turn, I decided not to reply at all since he doesn't speak or write Chechen language. When I ignored him, he started uploading porno pictures trying to say how dirty the administration is and tried to complain on me again and again. Unfortunately, he got his rights as administrator to continue publishing in wikipedia. I even told him that time not to make any changes because of his first level school speaking of his knowledge in Chechen language. He is been deleting lots of stuff and right now, if no one else will extend his administrator's permission, he will leave wikipedia. In some time he disapeared, but then he appeared back again with some "friends" and they created a page where they voted. Some of them were blocked later. Kade told me about this. I, as many other participants of Chechen wikipedia, support positive movements of participant Kade. Anyone as Stuart would do the same thing. I, personally, have nothing against those participants who benefit the page in wikipedia. Instead, I'm welcoming more and more smart people, by advertising page using my own money, trying to invite more and more of those who can speak clearly Chechen language without mistakes.

With respect. --Sasan700 (talk) 13:13, 16 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

Blocking of Dagirov Umarov, Soul Train and Saint Johann was an agreement of all administrators of the Chechen page. In our daily work on wikipedia, we try to stay away from politics and try to be very right speaking of Chechen language --Sasan700 (talk) 13:21, 16 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

"Blocking of Dagirov Umarov, Soul Train and Saint Johann was an agreement of all administrators" - so can you say what am I done to blocking me for 6 months except edit war in article about Lezgin language with user who put there latin alphabet, while Lezgi alphabet is only based on Cyrillic script? The abuse with a maximum 1 day of blocking. And why Lezgistxa wasn't banned as I was? I put the links in the article, reliable sources, even in English language, where you can read that even those lezgins who lived in Azerbaijan, written in Cyrillic. Here's a specific question, can you give the answer? You can put latin letters anywhere in your language, but what right have you to be the judge in this situation, especially considering the fact that I am the Administrator of Lezgi Wikipedia and I know the situation better than you, I'm working with my Lezgi friends, and I know about all Lezgistxa vandalisms like no other?--Soul Train (talk) 14:00, 16 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

• Hello ladies and gentlemen!

I’m just surprised the way some of participants have been blocked. I’m asking you first, before rushing to block someone, please check that person’s history and input which he has done in Wikipedia. For instance, if you check activities of Дагиров Умар and Sant Johann, you will find nothing else but vandalism, insults, and dirty accusations.

1) Soul Train wasn’t blocked because of his changes within Legzin Alphabet. He was blocked for making political changes towards one specific political party without knowing Chechen language. warned him couple of times, but Soul Train was verbally abusing the rest of team members and even said that he will change the political status in Chechen Wikipedia towards his own political party. Therefore, all members gathered to discuss further existence of such participant and the agreement was to block him. Even though admins asked him many times to change his attitude; he continued swearing with no respect to Wikipedia. Soul Train doesn’t even speak proper Russian nor Chechen and got some of complaints from the Russian page as well. Here is the link: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Обсуждение_участника:Soul_Train Literally, we cannot let the participant exist among our team members, mainly, because he blamed all of the team members for not letting "his" politician to win the elections.

2) Saint Johann was blocked for trying to squeeze in the article "Соьлжа" dangerous political terms using again vandalism and accusations, also, was blocked for deleting over 114 articles without anyone’s agreement. I was writing him in Chechen asking to release his stress and to calm down because otherwise we can’t cooperate. He couldn’t reply to me since he doesn’t speak Chechen and kept ignoring warnings. In addition, I found message written by Dagirov Umarov to Saint Johann where he says the following: "Let us block Sasan700 for not allowing us to abuse him." Dagirov Umarov has his own account as well - http://dagirov100.livejournal.com/722.html In his account, he is been writing messages against Wikipedia blaming it for fighting its participants for no reason, even though, there are nothing else but reasons for which he should have been blocked long time ago. His arrogance has no limits, sorry for our language.

3) Dagirov Umar was blocked for false accusations in address of Chechen Wikipedia admins. The rest of admins and I urged him many times that we may block him if he continues to abusing our team members.

Having read the comments of admins Mega programmer, Sasan700, Dagger including my comment above, I'm asking you to make corrections accordingly. With respect, admin of Chechen Wikipedia. (Kade) --70.24.108.39 23:46, 16 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

I cannot athorize in meta-wiki. This is why I write my comment as a guest. As a proof that this comment is from me Kade you may use comment on my page in Chechen Wikipedia. Link is there.

Diff of the same comment, logged-in, on cewiki. --MF-W 23:51, 16 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

> I found message written by Dagirov Umarov to Saint Johann where he says the following: "Let us block Sasan700 for not allowing us to abuse him."
Please, say me, where you did find this message, I even wonder. Saint Johann (ru) 01:11, 17 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

Political party?.. I think that Ce-Wikipedia administrators compose some kind a virtual world a la Orwell's "Nineteen Eighty-Four". I even don't want to comment this.--Soul Train (talk) 13:31, 17 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

"You are blocked in the Chechen section of Wikipedia for 6 months for the edits war Kade, 21:54, 14 биэкарг бутт 2013 (UTC)" Thankee for composing very scary reason for stewards after a few days and reading discussions.--Soul Train (talk) 13:38, 17 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

• Умар Дагиров в статье про столицу Чечении написал: "Соьлжа-ГӀала кхаза Кавказан майда чохь, Нохчийн центр чохь. Соьлжа-ГӀала тӀе хи Сунжа кхаза." Слово "кхаза" по чеченски означает висит, "майда" - площадь, т.e. Умар Дагивор говорит, что "Грозный висит на Кавказской площади и в чеченском центре. Над Грозным висит река Сунжа". Вот и весь вклад который он может внести! Qonax (talk) 03:38, 17 March 2013 (UTC) Reply
• Umar Dagirov article about the capital of Chechnya wrote: "Solzha-GӀala Khaz Kavkazan Maida choh, Nohchiyn center choh. Solzha-GӀala tӀe chi Sunzha Khaz." The word "Khaz" means hanging on Chechnya, "Maida" - the area, and Umar Dagivor says "Lincoln hangs in the Caucasus area and the center of the Chechen. Hanging over formidable river Sunzha." That's all the contributions it could make!Qonax (talk) 03:38, 17 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

This is not, I wrote. -- Дагиров Умар (talk) 09:06, 17 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

It was Girdi. Almost everything that you wrote there, Dagger, Sasan700 and others, just a simple lie, which is broken by the diffs.--Soul Train (talk) 15:05, 17 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

• Уважаемые стюарды! Эти люди пришли в Чеченскую Википедию с определенной целью, их цель является не вовсе развитие проекта, а наоборот конфронтация, дискредитация администраторов, вандализм, война правок и откатов, оскорбление личности, угрозы агитация политики Кремля. В соответствии сказанным нами (Администраторами) прошу Вас принять справедливое решение. С уважением администратор Че-Вики.Qonax (talk) 03:50, 17 March 2013 (UTC) Reply
• Dear stewards! These people came to the Chechen Wikipedia for a specific purpose, their goal is not to do the development of the project, but rather a confrontation discredit administrators, vandalism, war edits and kickbacks, personal injury, threats of agitation Kremlin policy. As we said (administrators) I'm asking you to make corrections accordingly. With respect, admin of Chechen Wikipedia.Qonax (talk) 03:48, 17 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

  Soon he'll begin to write that the Kremlin is sponsoring us :-) --Soul Train (talk) 13:19, 17 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

• We will anyway take back ce.wikipedia!!! -- Bear 007

Result of this discussion. Saint Johann (ru) 16:08, 18 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

What is the purpose of having a discussion both here and there? —Psychonaut (talk) 11:39, 19 March 2013 (UTC) Reply

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