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If there are reliable sources about this submarine design, some data could be upmerged to the the designer article, DCNS. Buckshot06 (talk) 20:24, 12 January 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

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Adding commanders/leaders to infobox not supported by body of article per MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE. Cinderella157 (talk) 02:31, 15 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Currently, this project has about ~(削除) 673 (削除ここまで) 76 articles in need of some reference clean-up. Basically, some short references created via {{sfn }} and {{harvnb }} and similar templates have missing full citations or have some other problems. This is usually caused by templates misuse or by copy-pasting a short reference from another article without adding the full reference, or because a full reference is not making use of citation templates like {{cite book }} (see Help:CS1) or {{citation }} (see Help:CS2). To easily see which citation is in need of clean-up, you can check these instructions to enable error messages (Svick's script is the simplest to use, but Trappist the monk's script is a bit more refined if you're interested in doing deeper clean-up). See also how to resolve issues.

These could use some of your attention

To do

If you could add the full references to those article/fix the problem references, that would be great. Again, the easiest way to deal with those is to install Svick's script per these instructions. If after installing the script, you do not see an error, that means it was either taken care of, or was a false positive, and you don't need to do anything else. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 21:47, 25 January 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Updated list, 595 articles remain. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 22:52, 26 January 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Updated list, 554 articles remain. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 22:34, 27 January 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Updated list, 489 articles remain. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 17:15, 30 January 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Updated list, 385 articles remain. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 17:15, 30 January 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Updated list, 337 articles remain. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 22:30, 3 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Updated list, 307 articles remain. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 04:42, 6 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Updated list, 221 articles remain. Boo Boo (talk) 15:51, 9 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Updated list, 210 articles remain. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 20:33, 10 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Updated list, 133 articles remain. Gavbadger (talk) 16:15, 12 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Updated list, 84 articles remain. Gavbadger (talk) 20:37, 13 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Updated list, 102 articles remain. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 21:48, 13 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Updated list, 76 articles remain. Gavbadger (talk) 16:23, 14 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

FWIW my experience with these has been that they tend to be the following issues with the following solutions:

• Sfn was copypasted from somewhere else, has no original cite. Solution: replace with either a new reference or {{cn}} tags.
• Sfn has a typo in the name and doesn't match the cite. Solution: Fix the typo.
• Sfn has an incorrect year and doesn't match the cite. Solution: Fix the typo if it's an error, add a new reference or {{cn}} tags if the Sfn is to a work missing an original cite. ⇒ SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 05:00, 30 January 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

In my experience, about 20-25% of the time, the short footnote is copied from another, related article, without the full citation being brought over. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 17:11, 30 January 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

@Headbomb: Could you have a look at Margaret Thatcher? It is on the list but I cannot see anything amiss. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:01, 10 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

I can't find anything either. Maybe @Trappist the monk: can help here. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 21:11, 10 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

New Scientist 1983 (permalink)

New Scientist 1983 (permalink)

At this long-form reference (permalink), replace:

| author={{text|New Scientist}} |author-mask=[{{italics correction|''New Scientist''}}]

with:

|ref={{sfnref|''New Scientist''|1983}}

—Trappist the monk (talk) 22:24, 10 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Done. Strange that the error wasn't shown by the script. Then again, the anchor worked, so this was a false positive. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 22:36, 10 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

For some reasons Perseus (spy) keeps being re-added or unstruck, despite not having any errors. ⇒ SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 00:43, 11 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Trappist the monk took care of it. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 01:08, 11 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

@Headbomb:, how did you search the Harv and Sfn no-target errors category to find only military history articles? Gavbadger (talk) 20:39, 13 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

I used WP:AWB's List Comparer (Tools> List Comparer) to get the articles within Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors (List 1, Source:Category, 'Harv and Sfn no-target errors'), then those within Category:Military history articles by quality subcategories (List 2, Source:Category (recurse 1 level), 'Military history articles by quality'). Then once those lists were compiled, converted the second list to their non-talk version (right click on the list, then 'convert from talk pages'), and then used the 'compare' option to get the intersection of both list. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 21:47, 13 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Requesting uninvolved opinions for the discussion at Talk:Third_Anglo-Afghan_War#Changing_the_results. It concerns the result parameter of this article. - Ratnahastin (talk) 18:54, 4 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

A couple of experienced editors might resolve this otherwise it will probably go to an RfC. Be warned, it is a wall of text but the issues aren't all that hard to pick out. Cinderella157 (talk) 04:55, 6 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

• Please see Talk:Third_Anglo-Afghan_War#RfC on result in the infobox. Cinderella157 (talk) 09:37, 8 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Let's see how many more harmless eloctrons we can murder trying to resolve this. Cinderella157 (talk) 09:38, 8 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Hello. I had a query that I thought someone on this taskforce might be able to answer. I have taken this picture of the tomb of A. Smith, while died in March 1918, and was stationed on HMS President. I was wondering if anyone had a means of ascertaining whether this relates to HMS President (1918) or HMS President (shore establishment). McPhail (talk) 16:30, 6 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Hi, the ship didn't become HMS President until 1922, so will be the shore establishment. Gavbadger (talk) 19:13, 6 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

I think President was used as a catchall for men between assignments so he might not have actually served at that particular location. If you were interested in finding more you can download Alexander Smith's service record from the National Archives for 3ドル.50 - Dumelow (talk) 12:22, 8 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

If you create an account, you can download the service record for free. It says he was at President from 27 April 1916. I can't read the handwriting in the document too well. Gavbadger (talk) 14:37, 8 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Plausibly a victim of the first wave of the Spanish flu pandemic; young men sleeping in confined spaces were particularly vulnerable. Alansplodge (talk) 14:23, 8 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

@McPhail: Using the document linked by Dumelow, Smith died in the Royal Infirmary, Glasgow, from "malignant disease of glands of neck". He had previously been serving at a depot as an instructor to mechanic candidates. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 11:39, 9 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Just a small correction: he was appointed for instructing candidates for Mechanician, a Chief Petty Officer rating. Since he was borne on the books of President I'm wondering if the depot referred to is the Crystal Palace, but in that case there was no Commander-in-Chief connected, and how on earth did he end up in a Glasgow hospital? —Simon Harley (Talk). 05:57, 10 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Thank you everyone - that is all really helpful. I will update the image info. McPhail (talk) 21:42, 9 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Worth noting that the below Telegraphist J. A. Smith of HMS C25 was his son. He is otherwise listed on the Chatham Naval Memorial, having been washed overboard from the submarine. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 21:58, 9 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Hi everyone. I have noticed an issue similar to the one pointed out by Headbomb re: WPMH articles which have Harv/Sfn errors. I wanted to help out with WP:WPSHORTDESC and added short descriptions to 16 WPMH articles in no time. I thought there could be a search query to automate the identification of WPMH articles which do not have short descriptions. The search query is "-hastemplate" "deepcat:battles", and the link for running this query is [1]. This query returns ~3,300 results. Of these, about 5-8% might be false positives, but there are still 3,000 articles which need short descriptions. I think we might be able to help out here significantly, since adding short descriptions is much easier than locating missing sources which cause Harv/Sfn errors.

The SHORTDESC WikiProject says there are around 781,429 articles without short descriptions. There might be more WPMH articles in this total, since I've only searched for articles which have the Battles category, but there are surely many from other categories like MILHIST biographies, weaponry etc. I think we could help reduce 4 - 10% of this absurdly large number, which would be very helpful for the project. I'm also thinking of launching an effort for WPMH articles which are orphans (those which don't have links from any other articles). Please let me know if anyone could help come up with a search query for this effort, or for finding all WPMH articles without short descriptions. Matarisvan (talk) 17:32, 6 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Hi, for the Military History WikiProject, (clean up list here) and (Orphaned list here) Gavbadger (talk) 19:05, 6 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

I don't see how it would be helpful for the project. It seems like a waste of time. They could be automatically added from Wikidata. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:31, 6 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

@Hawkeye7, Wikidata usually has inadequate short descriptions, and therefore they have to be refined anyways, which defeats the purpose of automating the process. Also, I don't know if this will be true for everyone, but it has helped me discover many new WPMH articles I could contribute to. Matarisvan (talk) 14:53, 7 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

What's the point of short descriptions? They are invisible except in the edit space, which seems pointless to me. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 10:57, 8 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

In the mobile phone version of Wikipedia, you have related topics for each article at the bottom of the page. It shows the infobox picture, name of the article and the short description. Also in the mobile version it shows the same information when you use the search function. Gavbadger (talk) 14:05, 8 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Aah, thanks. Keith-264 (talk) 15:10, 8 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Hi, I'm kinda new here in Wikipedia and I've been exploring a bit relating to World War II articles. But I have a little concern. The redirecting link which is Fascist Italy was used in infoboxes in World War II battles where Italy is involved in instead using the Kingdom of Italy which was the official Italian state despite under Fascist rule, which Fascist Italy was only used as a common term to describe the Kingdom of Italy under Fascist regime. While other infoboxes, like the Kingdom of Romania used this as a redirecting link instead of the Kingdom of Romania under Fascism during its period which you can see it's quite odd. Thank you for anyone who can respond this. TheManwhoNeverWasEverBefore (talk) 21:18, 6 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Looking at the talk page for Fascist Italy, it seems there were a few requested moves on whether it should be Kingdom of Italy under Fascism or not. You can see them linked in the banners at the top of the talk page and you can look at the arguments made for why it was kept. Of course you can create a new requested move yourself if you desire. //Lollipoplollipoplollipop::talk 21:07, 9 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Thank you for your response, but I'm talking about the usage of Fascist Italy instead of the Kingdom of Italy in the infobox (Template:Infobox military conflict) as a redirecting link in World War II battles where Italy is involved in. For example, the Greco-Italian War or the Battle of Gazala. TheManwhoNeverWasEverBefore (talk) 06:09, 10 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Ah, I see what you mean now. I have no idea why there's that little bit of inconsistency. If you can't find any reasons why its like that, then WP:BEBOLD. //Lollipoplollipoplollipop::talk 20:24, 10 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

I agree, but I'm worried some editors might revert my edit, I already got reverted in my recent edits for the categories of battles involving Italy. Don't you think this needs be on the consensus first? The person who reverted me told me that this needs to be on consensus first before editing an litany of entire pages. TheManwhoNeverWasEverBefore (talk) 10:30, 13 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

The Battle of Bamber Bridge article refers to the "US Army Code of Conduct", which is a redlink. However, this cannot be the Code of the United States Fighting Force, which came much later; could it be the Uniform Code of Military Justice? Or something else, like specific uniform regulations? — The Anome (talk) 11:06, 8 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

I am no expert but as far as I can see the wearing of uniform by US forces in the Second World War was enforced under section 125 of the National Defense Act of 1920. This is referred to in the Army Regulations 600-40 booklet issued to troops periodically throughout the war to specify what should be worn and when (you can see a 1941 example here, page 13 includes the reference to enforcement under the NDA by fine or imprisonment). You can read the relevant part of the NDA including later amendments in this 1942 book - Dumelow (talk) 12:11, 8 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

So there was a 1955 Code of Conduct --see this reference particularly page 21 (of the original, not the pdf) -- the doc quotes the text, and includes citations and explanatory commentary. AR 350-30 is the original. I'm not aware of whether there was a 1943-era version that predates this, but if I were to hear "US Army Code of Conduct" without other qualification, this is what I'd assume it's referring to. Not sure if that helps clarify anything as the 1955 CoC is mostly about POWs. Perhaps someone was confused about the "responsible for my actions" portion of the 1955 doc and retroactively tried to apply it to 1943? ⇒ SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 03:05, 10 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

And I should have probably checked before writing that, but what I'm referring to is what you posted above as the Code of the United States Fighting Force (not sure that's the correct common name -- every document I've ever seen calls it the Code of Conduct, hence the confusion).⇒ SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 03:07, 10 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

See the text of the United States Articles of War at [[2]]. This was the predecessor of the Uniform Code of Military Justice and was applicable in 1943. None of the "punitive provisions" appear to cover being out of uniform in public during wartime but one or two of the more general provisions relating to conduct might apply. Mutiny is covered specifically. Donner60 (talk) 04:38, 13 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

@WP:MILHIST coordinators: (though anyone helping out is fine, I just hope the coordinators are aware of this) Here is a list of articles/pages related to the chinese military which need to be improved/created(along with how difficult it likely will be and overall importance)

1. Chinese landing helicopter dock Guangxi [zh] - Difficulty: Easy; Importance: Mid-High; Issue: Article needs creation. Guangxi commissioned in 2021 and after 4 years it still has no article; it's not that it ain't notable either, it is a literal LHD and has received tonnes of media attention from both within and outside china(you can find tonnes of articles on it, such as this, this and this). Luckily wikimedia commons already has a photo of the ship, and the ship badge can be found here(Website is Guangxi province department of veteran's affairs, which is an official goverment site). I am planning to personally go in a make this article when I have time(aka next time i have holiday in april) but it will be really appreciated if somebody makes it first.
2. Type 051B destroyer and Chinese destroyer Shenzhen - Difficulty: Mid; Importance: Low-Mid; Issue: Merge needed. The type 051B is a single ship class, which means there is only one article needed. Info is overlapping even though Shenzhen has more citations. I would suggest merging Shenzhen into the type 051B article first and then renaming the Type 051B article, as the type 051B article has more links to other languages.
3. Somali Naval Escort Operation of the People's Liberation Army - Difficulty: Easy; Importance: High; Issue: Grammar, article is piratically orphaned, article also needs more links and also lacks good citations for such a discussed topic. The article itself reeks of google translate; The naming of the navy ships is also completely ridiculous(luckily I have tried to help out and fixed the ones at the top); However the good news is it is easy to see which navy ship the article is referring to, for example 998 Kunlunshan means Chinese landing ship kunlunshan(as it has the pennant number 998) and Ma'anshan class frigate 525 refers to Chinese frigate Ma'anshan.
4. Articles related to China Coast Guard. - Difficulty: Easy-Hard; Importance:Mid; Issue: Incorrect ship names. Many sources incorrectly call chinese coast guard ships CCG - (number), when in reality they are called Haijing(chinese for coast guard or marine police) (number), as with the case with Chinese cutter Haijing 5901. This can be solved by just simply replacing CCG with Haijing. Additionally chinese wikipedia has a long list of chinese coast guard cutters with their actual names, which we can cross reference with English wikipedia's
5. Articles related to the former China Marine Surveillance - Difficulty: Mid-Hard; Importance:Low-Mid; Issue: Many articles are outdated. Many ship articles of the CMS are outdated(by approx 12 years, as the CMS was merged into the CCG in 2013) and are missing the fact that all CMS ships were transferred to the CCG and their new CCG names. The biggest problem for this is the fact that sources stating what CMS ships were renamed to often are self published sources(though reliable sources also exsist). Additionally the names of the North China Sea Bureau, State Oceanic Administration [zh](自然资源部北海局), East China Sea Bureau, State Oceanic Administration(自然资源部东海局) and the South China Sea Bureau, State Oceanic Administration [zh](自然资源部南海局) are often mistakenly called the "North china sea branch", "east china sea branch" and the "south china sea branch" which is a mistranslation(局 translates to bureau, not branch). Additionally the wrong name "CCG" is also often present.
6. QBZ-03 - Difficulty: Mid; Importance: Low; Issue: Sources needed. Many sources, though mostly unusable, point to use of the QBZ-03 in the PLANMC and PLAAF Airborne Corps, if possible we should find more reliable sources that point to these claims.
7. Type 056 corvette - Difficulty: Very high; Importance: Low-mid; Issue: Lack of info on coast guard transfer. In 2021, all type 056 corvettes(only including the original version, does not include Type 056A corvettes) were handed over to the Chinese coast guard. The english article has no info on the new pennant numbers(while the chinese article shows all the new numbers). There are also photos online of coast guard type 056 corvettes with the new pennant numbers, just that there are a lack of usable sources to confirm which corvettes were renamed to what(though not completely non-existent, as many sources say so though they are not usable on wikipedia). Additionally there are claims that the former type 056 corvette Qinzhou(597; 钦州) was renamed to Qingzhou(青州; number 21611), however what we do know is that a coast guard type 056 corvette from the guangdong coast guard bureau due to it's bust of smuggled tobacco. Could somebody help confirm the new pennant numbers from chinese wikipedia by finding reliable sources? Additionally should we consider splitting the article for the original type 056 and the type 056A corvettes, as chinese wikipedia has already done so
8. Category:Military installations of China - Difficulty: Easy-Mid; Importance: Low; Issue: Needs some tidying up. We should also separate the installations by military branch and there is also a notable lack of bases belonging to the People's Liberation army aerospace force, which, we should not forget, is part of the PLA which means their bases count as military installations.

Tips:

• If you know chinese, try using Chinese sources instead; they tend to be more reliable than english sources which are often outdated or mistranslated; however make sure they are not self published sources first.

Thehistorianisaac (talk) 04:02, 10 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

@Thehistorianisaac, you can add these articles to the Chinese MILHIST taskforce, under the heading articles which need to be created. Matarisvan (talk) 05:06, 10 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Already did so for some of them Thehistorianisaac (talk) 05:09, 10 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Perhaps a new section on 'Selected anniversaries' in military history/historiography. My thinking, such as it is, is that history articles by their nature contain pertinent anniversaries, but there is limited space on the MP. OTD is the only section where anniversaries for in nicely, but of course our material can't be emphasised at the expense of non-MH dates. TFAs are often chosen on account of being anniversarial, but again we don't have a monopoly. Maybe a heading... Did you know that on this day... would look like poaching :) but you get the drift. Each entry to have a blurb longer than DYK but shorter than FAC. With an image where possible. So for instance this month could have been something like:

Abridged example
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
This month in history... Date Blurb Image in 47 BC , the Battle of the Nile was fought between the combined Roman–Egyptian armies of Julius Caesar and Cleopatra VII against those of Queen Arsinoe IV and King Ptolemy XIII, resulting in defeat for the latter and clearing the way for Cleopatra to ascend the Egyptian throne.+ enhanced blurb 1 February in 1411 , the First Peace of Thorn was signed, ending the Polish–Lithuanian–Teutonic War.+ enhanced blurb 1 February in 1662 , after a nine-month siege, Fort Zeelandia was captured by Ming loyalists, bringing an end Dutch East India Company rule in Taiwan.+ enhanced blurb 6 February in 1694 , warrior queen Dandara, leader of the runaway slaves in Quilombo dos Palmares, Brazil, is captured and commits suicide rather than be returned to a life of slavery.+ enhanced blurb [No image; should an image be mandatory?] 20 February in 1813 , Manuel Belgrano defeats the royalist army of Pío de Tristán during the Battle of Salta .+ enhanced blurb 6 February in 1862 , Ulysses S. Grant and Andrew H. Foote give the Union its first victory of the war, capturing Fort Henry, Tennessee.+ enhanced blurb 2 February in 1943 , the Battle of Stalingrad ends after six months with the Red Army accepting the surrender of the last organized German troops in the city.+ enhanced blurb 20 February in 1950 , during the Chinese Civil War, the Battle of Tianquan ends in a victory for the communist People's Republic of China against the forces of the Republic of China with minimal losses to the victors.+ enhanced blurb [No image; should an image be mandatory?]

Issues for consideration might be inclusion criteria—what chronological and geographical spread? Images—would be good but many old events don't have them available. Perhaps use related images such as people? Inclusion based on class—I'd rather not, because FA/GA already get their spot on the MP, but I also accept that there are a million articles for us to choose from. Hey ho. All the best, Serial (speculates here) 13:48, 12 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

I have a version of this set up already, so it would be easy to implement. See User:Hawkeye7 for an example. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 17:04, 12 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

@Hawkeye7: That sounds positive, although that section of your page does currently seem to be empty, unless I'm missing something? Serial (speculates here) 15:49, 13 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Am all in favour of new Bugle content. Pinging Ian Rose and Nick-D as the true arbiters of change! Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 17:19, 12 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

I'm in favour of this, but to be viable someone/some people need to contribute time each month to write the article ;) @Serial Number 54129 and Pickersgill-Cunliffe: can I please check whether are you volunteering to do this? Nick-D (talk) 09:26, 13 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

@Nick-D: I think P-C and Hawkeye would make excellent Généraux des Anniversaires... "I'm just a grunt" :) Serial (speculates here) 15:49, 13 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

I will do it. Here's an example. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:02, 13 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

That looks great, thank you Nick-D (talk) 03:33, 15 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]