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"The Firebird's Vengeance" has in fact been published. I'll check the year later and add it. --Sir Ophiuchus, not logged in. 27 October 2006. 134.226.1.234
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... (削除) that professor and media scholar Henry Jenkins wrote that the novel Fool's War by Sarah Zettel "makes an important contribution to the growing body of feminist literature about artificial intelligence"? (削除ここまで)
(削除) ALT1 ... that Sarah Zettel's first short story was written when she was 20 years old and was published in Analog five years later? (削除ここまで)
(削除) ALT2 ... that the novel Dust Girl by Sarah Zettel was in a Bustle list titled 12 Awesome YA Novels Featuring POC Protagonists in which the main character is mixed race and half-fairy? (削除ここまで)
(削除) ALT3 ... that Sarah Zettel and her friends created 'shared worlds' in their notebooks? (削除ここまで)
(削除) ALT4 ... that Sarah Zettel wanted to write a suspense book in 'which the mother gets to be the hero'? (削除ここまで)
(削除) ALT5 ... that Sarah Zettel's book Fool's War was listed as one of the 10 Chillingly Possible Sci-Fi Books About AIs Taking Over? (削除ここまで)
Sure...unless everything related to men and women are sexist now. I'm not sure if there would be a complaint the other way around. SL93 (talk) 21:16, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You know I'm not saying anything is sexist, don't play the outrage card. I'm just baffled that the only thing, from an article you expanded, that you thought would be interesting enough for the main page is to quote a man's opinion. Both for its blandness and the implication that there's nothing else of note. Not, for example, that she became a published author age 20, that her first novel was nominated for one of the most prestigious awards in its field, or that she has a pet cat named after Buffy the Vampire Slayer... Kingsif (talk) 21:32, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Kingsif: Actually, I didn't know that. You stated "man" and emphasized that the person is a "man" without saying "person" so what was I to think? SL93 (talk) 21:35, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I never thought that it was the only interesting thing nor did I say that. I can always add new hooks, but you really weren't clear in what you said. SL93 (talk) 21:38, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) To 1. I honestly think you immediately assumed I was calling you sexist and decided not to look at the issue and just get mad, but at least we're talking now. And, to 2. How is asking for a different hook that's more interesting - my first response - unclear about that? To make my thoughts explicitly clear, let me expand: There are many far more interesting things to say about Zettel than "someone praised her". I would take issue with any hook that was a context-less "X wrote Y, which Z said is good", and one of the main issues here is that it focuses more on the person/man and his opinion than of the person/woman it's ostensibly about. And this would be an issue regardless of gender, but then comes the extra layer that, should the hook appear on the MP, it appears like Wikipedia hasn't got anything to say about this woman that isn't framed through a man's opinion - or, that Wikipedia has chosen to frame this woman to readers of the MP through a man's opinion when that wasn't necessary. (And specifically with this hook, as a reader I would question why it quotes a man to say the book is an important feminist work, rather than just saying it is, you know.) Kingsif (talk) 21:45, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Kingsif: I can safely say that you're in the same boat by assuming that was the only hook that I could suggest. I wouldn't be suprised if you did call me sexist because just a simple section order issue in a woman's article that I created made an admin call me sexist. I moved the sections around which somehow made me not be the sexist degenerate that he thought I was. SL93 (talk) 21:49, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry I’m late to this! I had the jab yesterday and feel distinctly subpar. Here are three ALTs... DYK Sarah Zettel and her friends created shared worlds in their notebooks/wanted to write a suspense book in ‘which the mother gets to be the hero’/book Fool's War was listed as one of the 10 Chillingly Possible Sci-Fi Books Abouts AIs Taking Over? I’ll format these tomorrow. I should have been more attentive to the gaze of the hook, I know. No Swan So Fine (talk) 21:38, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@No Swan So Fine:(削除) ALT6 ... that the novel Dust Girl by Sarah Zettel was in a Bustle list titled 12 Awesome YA Novels Featuring POC Protagonists in which the main character is mixed race and half-fairy? (削除ここまで)
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