Wikipedia:SVG help
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SVG help Further information: Commons:Help:SVG
Scalable Vector Graphics is a commonly used file format for providing a geometrical description of an image using basic objects such as labels, circles, lines, curves and polygons. An image can be reduced or enlarged to an arbitrary size, and will not suffer image data loss, nor will it become pixelated. SVG makes an excellent format for artwork, diagrams and drawings. SVG images are defined in XML text files. This means that they can be searched, indexed, scripted, and compressed. Since they are XML files, SVG images can be edited with any text editor, but SVG-based drawing programs are also available. However, the rendering engine used by wiki is not perfect, and may cause the image to be shown incorrectly, or differently from how it is displayed in your vector editor of choice. This page enables authors experiencing problems with SVG graphics to obtain some help in getting their images into wiki the way they intend. |
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General suggestions[edit ]The following is a list of common vector editors and suggested settings for compatibility. The user guide of your chosen program may also be valuable in troubleshooting. Browsers[edit ]Most modern browsers can render SVGs in view-only mode. It may be convenient to set a browser as the default SVG viewer, but you can also paste the file path into the address bar. Please note that even if your browser renders an SVG correctly, it may render differently on Wikipedia. Text editors[edit ]SVG documents are text files, and can be edited like any other text file. Specifically, SVGs are XML documents, which have special support in many text editors. One potential disadvantage to editing SVGs by hand is that previewing your changes is more cumbersome. A rudimentary solution would be to open the SVG file in a browser while working on it, and manually refreshing the document to see the result of changes. Inkscape[edit ]There is a simple work-around for the scarcities of librsvg. The operation "Stroke to Path", to be found under Menu>Path in Inkscape or via Ctrl+Alt+C, can be applied to all of the objects that are not rendered correctly. To keep the SVGs editable, this should only be done to the files intended for upload, and these files can be deleted afterwards. As of February 2014, the objects that must be modified to render correctly by librsvg include:
OpenOffice.org[edit ]OpenOffice.org SVG files may require manual modification before being uploaded to Wikipedia. To achieve this:
NB: Vector graphics line widths may also need to be set explicitly in OpenOffice.org Draw. SVG code replacement guide (executing replace all using Nedit regular expressions)[edit ]
This SVG export procedure has been tested using OO 2.3.0 and OO 3.2.1 with a simple .odg candidate. Microsoft Powerpoint[edit ]It is easiest to save entire slides from Powerpoint as svg rather than saving multiselected objects with right click / save as picture, because for entire slides the boundaries will be cropped to the size of the slide and the background will be set to white. To save slides as svg, use file / save as / browse / save as type --> svg. If your slide has text, open the exported svg into Notepad and replace all the existing font-family specifications with Text can also get chopped up on export, which causes rendering and localization bugs. To fix this, search for all Microsoft Visio[edit ]Generating SVG charts from spreadsheet programs such as Microsoft Excel[edit ]I've uploaded spreadsheets that automatically generate XML code for charts in SVG format. Summary: You simply paste or enter your data into the spreadsheet, and specify image dimensions, number of grid lines, data ranges, font sizes, etc. The spreadsheets instantly and automatically generate a column of XML code. You simply copy and paste that code into a text editor and save as an ".svg" file. The spreadsheets produce lean SVG code, and should save you time in creating SVG charts. Though my original spreadsheets are written in Microsoft Excel, I've received reports that they also work if read into other spreadsheet programs. Feedback and suggestions on my talk page are welcome. RCraig09 (talk) 23:41, 19 February 2021 (UTC) [reply ] Click HOW TO for detailed explanation.
Click here to see an example of how the spreadsheets work, internally.
Example SVG files: Category:SVG graphics created with spreadsheet.
Text guidance[edit ]Use text over paths[edit ]Converting text in an SVG file into paths (shapes) increases file size, prevents localization/accessibility features, and complicates edits/modifications down the line. It is therefore generally disfavored, with some exceptions, such as text-based logos. The Wikimedia text renderer can introduce bugs as its fonts may differ from browser fonts or SVG editor fonts, but following the guidance below should minimize these errors. font-family property[edit ]Due to copyright restrictions, MediaWiki cannot use proprietary fonts that are commonly found on several proprietary operating systems. Fonts such as Geneva require licensing fees to distribute. rsvg will not be able to locate such fonts, and the text will fail to appear in the rendered image. There are three solutions to this issue:
For ease of subsequent editing and significantly smaller file sizes, substituting the font with an available font is recommended. Many common fonts have non-proprietary alternatives that are similar in typographical style, resulting in minimal disruption to existing images during substitution. For a list of fonts available in Wikipedia, see available fonts on Meta. Wikimedia has default fonts, and will use Liberation Serif for Times New Roman and Liberation Sans for Arial. For further fallbacks see c:Help:SVG#fallback. Fonts that are available on Wikimedia servers may or may not be available on a visitor's machine. If the placement or appearance of text in the image is important and there is uncertainty about which fonts are installed on a visitor's machine, then converting text into path information may be necessary. font-size property[edit ]font-size="35" (or larger) appears to avoid this problem, depending on the pixel size of your graphic.Fonts should be sized so that they look good as thumbnails on wikipedia pages and so they are easy to view on smartphones. Smartphones are how most people access wikipedia. Thumbnails are how most other people see images, as very few people click images and zoom them in to see them. Avoid using or creating images with fonts that are too small to be legible in thumbnail or smartphone views. The font size that appears in a thumbnail is a combination of svg width, thumbnail width, and font size. To match wikipedia font size as a thumbnail, use font-size = (63/(your upright value))*((your svg width)/1000). For instance, if the thumbnail will be scaled up to thumb upright=1.35 and your image has svg width of 960, set font-size in the svg to (63/1.35)*(960/1000) = 44.8. Background colors[edit ]Transparent backgrounds are fine, but do not think your image will always be displayed on a light or white background. The wikipedia smartphone app, for instance, renders images on a black background, so if you show black text on a transparent background it will be invisible. Testing for problems[edit ]The following SVG checkers may help you to detect SVG problems before you upload: None of these checkers are foolproof, so it's wise to validate images. You can preliminarily validate images by uploading them to the shared, temporary-use location Test.svg, though other users may overwrite your image at any time. To force refresh images in your browser use Ctrl+F5 (Shift-Reload on Mac), so that you see the latest upload and not cached image copies (this is necessary even on wikimedia upload pages). Rendering SVG files[edit ]On Wikipedia SVGs are interpreted by the librsvg-library to create PNG previews at different image sizes (to rasterize them). That library only recognizes a subset of all valid SVG syntax, and may render your SVG without many features. In order to bypass these deficiencies in the library, there are certain parameters that need to be formatted in specific ways or be assigned a workaround value in order for librsvg to accurately render views of your SVG file. Some issues are enumerated below, but be sure to test your SVG files before and after uploading them. <mask> parameter maskUnits="userSpaceOnUse"[edit ]The librsvg-library does not interpret the value of parameter stroke-dasharray[edit ]The librsvg-library does not accept a _statements" data-mw-thread-id="h-Use_href=_alone,_not_xlink:href=,_in_[ statements">edit ] | |||||||
Assistance
[edit ]If you have a tricky SVG file with a problem not described, or can't quite figure out what the previous section was talking about, you can simply ask for assistance by posting a quick note hereafter that outlines the problem, as well as providing links to the files that are exhibiting these problems. Don't forget to sign your name with four tilde symbols (~~~~) and an editor will attempt to reply here to help!
When you are happy that a request has been fulfilled, just leave a note so that the request can be archived later, as needed.
An alternative source of help is Commons:Graphics village pump.
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Embed svg directly
[edit ]is there a way i can force wikipedia to directly embed svgs instead of embedding the thumbnail in my browser? im not asking about doing it on a page im editing, im asking about doing it to all pages in my browser thanks! Specimen3757 (talk) 17:10, 3 October 2025 (UTC) [reply ]
- I don't think so. I suspect the reason why not is security concerns about embedding user-generated markup. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:54, 3 October 2025 (UTC) [reply ]
- ah. that actually does make a lot of sense. thanks! - Specimen3757 (talk) 20:49, 3 October 2025 (UTC) [reply ]
- @Specimen3757: Not directly, but you can link a thumbnail to an SVG in Commons using {{filepath:FILENAME}} as in this example (click the thumbnail or the link beneath). cmɢʟee τaʟκ (please add
{{ping|cmglee}}to your reply) 01:11, 8 October 2025 (UTC) [reply ]
- Though Media: creates a direct link to a file, filepath: returns just the file's URL, and thus can be added as a link parameter of a thumbnail so that clicking the thumbnail goes to the file instead of Media Viewer or the file description page, perhaps closer to what the questioner intended. A messier alternative is to use an imagemap covering the entire thumbnail.
- Can you please link to guidance that CC-BY files cannot be linked this way legally?
- Cheers, cmɢʟee τaʟκ (please add
{{ping|cmglee}}to your reply) 19:54, 8 October 2025 (UTC) [reply ]- It's stated in at least three different places:
- Template:Multiple image#Syntax and parameters includes
If the image is under a free license (such as the GDFL or a free CC license), the terms of such license require the license, or a link to it, to be reproduced with the image. The image must, therefore, link to its image description page, which can be achieved simply by omitting the link[n] parameter from the template as mentioned. Public domain and (theoretically) non-free use images are not subject to this restriction.
- MOS:NOALT says:
Removing the link is acceptable only for images in the public domain or the equivalent CC0. Links should not be suppressed for any image that requires attribution.
- WP:EIS#Link says:
Except for public-domain images, it must always be possible for the reader to reach the image-description page, so
|link=should be used only with|thumbimages.
- Template:Multiple image#Syntax and parameters includes
- The first two images as used above are not thumb images; there is no means of reaching the file description page in order to view the license and attribution. The third, on the other hand, includes a magnifying glass icon (bottom right) which provides that link. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:22, 8 October 2025 (UTC) [reply ]
- Got it, so it's ok if there is a magnifying glass or similar icon linking to the file description page. I edited the multiimage above, but the wikitext becomes very messy. Furthermore, the magnifying glass image itself is CC-BY-SA so will that need another icon to link to its file description page? How does one get the default image used in thumbnails? cmɢʟee τaʟκ (please add
{{ping|cmglee}}to your reply) 01:02, 9 October 2025 (UTC) [reply ]- Don't worry about the magnifying glass, it's used millions of times so this must have been raised before. What do you mean by "the default image used in thumbnails"? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:55, 9 October 2025 (UTC) [reply ]
- I meant the smaller rectangle on top of a larger one as in the thumbnail caption above. cmɢʟee τaʟκ (please add
{{ping|cmglee}}to your reply) 19:48, 10 October 2025 (UTC) [reply ]- This one? As I say, don't worry about it. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:03, 10 October 2025 (UTC) [reply ]
- I meant the smaller rectangle on top of a larger one as in the thumbnail caption above. cmɢʟee τaʟκ (please add
- Don't worry about the magnifying glass, it's used millions of times so this must have been raised before. What do you mean by "the default image used in thumbnails"? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:55, 9 October 2025 (UTC) [reply ]
- Got it, so it's ok if there is a magnifying glass or similar icon linking to the file description page. I edited the multiimage above, but the wikitext becomes very messy. Furthermore, the magnifying glass image itself is CC-BY-SA so will that need another icon to link to its file description page? How does one get the default image used in thumbnails? cmɢʟee τaʟκ (please add
- It's stated in at least three different places:
Just as a note - SD0001 added support to scribunto for embedding SVGs. These SVGs are rendered in "Secure animated mode" which means SMIL and CSS animations are allowed (but no user interaction, scripting or external resources). They also support detecting night-mode. So the answer to this thread is now a sort of yes, with some restrictions. I tried out some examples at User:Bawolff/interactive images. Bawolff (talk) 19:56, 21 October 2025 (UTC) [reply ]
- That's amazing, especially now that the Trajan's Column parts stay until clicked instead of being on a timer in the original. Just a little nitpick, if the Fifth floor could slide in the direction of the Third floor (back), it wouldn't look like it penetrates the Sixth floor.
- Great demos! cmɢʟee τaʟκ (please add
{{ping|cmglee}}to your reply) 22:29, 21 October 2025 (UTC) [reply ] - I'm also looking at supporting interactive SVGs natively: phab:T407783. But of course, Bawolff figured out a way to do them today using {{calculator }}! A little issue with the dark mode demo: I notice that switching between Vector-2022 light/dark themes don't change the colors – they only change if I switch between the themes at the OS level. – SD0001 (talk) 03:41, 22 October 2025 (UTC) [reply ]
- Oh weird, it seems to switch for me when i hit the dark mode toggle in vector (tried chrome and firefox on linux). Maybe its browser dependent. Bawolff (talk) 05:19, 22 October 2025 (UTC) [reply ]
- Trying not to be a wet blanket, but is it appopriate to move the discussion to, say, User_talk:Bawolff/interactive_images or similar? The discussion seems very constructive but will get lost when the bot archives this section. cmɢʟee τaʟκ (please add
{{ping|cmglee}}to your reply) 20:58, 22 October 2025 (UTC) [reply ]- Issues are about the feature itself and not specific to demos, so I think it's better to discuss here, as no one looks at a demo talk page. – SD0001 (talk) 10:01, 24 October 2025 (UTC) [reply ]
- Perhaps it's OS dependent. Didn't work for me on Chrome and Firefox on macOS. – SD0001 (talk) 10:01, 24 October 2025 (UTC) [reply ]
- Trying not to be a wet blanket, but is it appopriate to move the discussion to, say, User_talk:Bawolff/interactive_images or similar? The discussion seems very constructive but will get lost when the bot archives this section. cmɢʟee τaʟκ (please add
- Oh weird, it seems to switch for me when i hit the dark mode toggle in vector (tried chrome and firefox on linux). Maybe its browser dependent. Bawolff (talk) 05:19, 22 October 2025 (UTC) [reply ]
How to fix invalid SVG code?
[edit ]I have uploaded File:Logo of the City of Playford.svg as a non-free file, but a bot by the name of JJMC89 bot swooped in to label said logo as having an invalid SVG code.
When I checked validator
How do you guys usually fix this problem? What can I do so that I don't have to come by and ask you guys again when it happens? How can I avoid something like this in the future?
Please and Thank you in advance.
GuesanLoyalist (talk) 10:50, 1 November 2025 (UTC) [reply ]
- I've found that the W3C validator objects to
id=names that have numerals in them (not sure if that's the exact problem). You might try removing any non-alphabetical characters from yourid=name, "2560-Internal-General-Copy", and see if that avoids the problem. —RCraig09 (talk) 16:39, 1 November 2025 (UTC) [reply ]- Solved the problem, thank you for helping me with it! :D
- GuesanLoyalist (talk) 08:57, 2 November 2025 (UTC) [reply ]
- According to http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/syndata.html#characters
so it's a good call. Just prefix a letter or underscore to the offending ids. cmɢʟee τaʟκ (please add {{ping|cmglee}} to your reply) 17:38, 1 November 2025 (UTC) [reply ]
- @Cmglee:, I've solved the problem, thank you for helping me with it! :D
- GuesanLoyalist (talk) 08:58, 2 November 2025 (UTC) [reply ]
rsvg messes up feDisplacementMap filter
[edit ]Hi SVG experts,
As rsvg does not support textPath, I decided to curve text using an SVG filter with feDisplacementMap. (I had previously set the dy of each character, but that makes it difficult to translate the labels.)
It looks fine on the preview when uploading a new version on http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Upload&wpDestFile=Milky_Way_Arms_ssc2008-10.svg&wpForReUpload=1 as on Firefox, Chrome and Edge, but the text is badly and seemingly randomly distorted in thumbnails.
Could someone please have a look and suggest a fix? Thanks, cmɢʟee τaʟκ (please add {{ping|cmglee}} to your reply) 01:05, 12 November 2025 (UTC) [reply ]