[Logic] Canadian Sect. and Mult. Confusion
Mel
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Thu, 8 Jan 2004 23:03:25 -0500
Almost as tough to work as Wyoming... Is anybody active in that state?=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]=20
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of R Johnson
> Sent: January 8, 2004 21:32
> To: [email protected]; [email protected]
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Logic] Canadian Sect. and Mult. Confusion
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> At 19:36 1/8/2004 , Greg Hodsdon wrote:
> >I don't understand all of the "head scratchin" over this=20
> issue. Why be=20
> >concerned what the various contest sponsers have for multipliers and=20
> >whether it conforms to the postal codes or LOGic?
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> Sorry, but the head scratching is why the League is so=20
> inconsistent in there treatment of Canada !!!
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> >Just edit your List of Valid Values in LOGic to conform to=20
> the current=20
> >Postal Code. If there is imported data from a contest program that=20
> >does not match, just edit it manually. It might take all of sixty=20
> >seconds to do. After all, how many Nunavut stations are there in a=20
> >typical contest?
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> Typically about ZERO NU contacts seeing that there are only=20
> 18 licenses issued in Nunavut and 8 of them are in the are in=20
> the town of Iqaluit !!!
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> >A bigger issue along these similar lines are the very outdated JCC,=20
> >JCG, DXCC, Russian oblast, etc entries in the prefix table=20
> and list of=20
> >valid values. But that's another story.
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> Yes, your right, that's another battle !!!
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> >73 de Greg, K7KJ
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> 73
> Bob, K1VU
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> >Greg Hodsdon
> >Portland, OR
> >[email protected]
> >http://www.qsl.net/k7kj
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Bradford J. Williams - N8GLS" <[email protected]>
> >To: <[email protected]>
> >Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 4:06 PM
> >Subject: RE: [Logic] Canadian Sect. and Mult. Confusion
> >
> >
> > > Hi Bob,
> > >
> > > Sorry, but I think were all beating a dead horse. The=20
> responses I=20
> > > got back from the ARRL stack-up like this:
> > >
> > > The ARRL Sections have nothing to do with contests.
> > > Several contests "conveniently" use the ARRL Section list as=20
> > > multipliers. The multiplier abbreviations will be=20
> "whatever works". =20
> > > There is nothing in the rules that says they have to follow US or=20
> > > Canadian postal abbreviations. There is no reason to=20
> change anything=20
> > > as it has not been a problem in many years, and is well ingrained=20
> > > among thousands of contesters.
> > >
> > > So, it boils down to this. In the eyes of the ARRL, there are 14=20
> > > Provinces in Canada, period......forget the fact that=20
> there are 13,=20
> > > it doesn't matter because they are "just" multipliers. =20
> Now, there=20
> > > are three ARRL contests that treat Canadian "provinces" as=20
> > > multipliers (I should have said ARRL's "view" of what Canada's=20
> > > provinces are), they are ARRL Int'l DX, 10-Meter, and=20
> RTTY Round-up. =20
> > > For these contests, the multipliers are AB, BC, LB, MB,=20
> NB, NF, NS,=20
> > > NU, NWT, ON, PEI, QC, SK, and YT.
> > >
> > > Now, this leaves those contests that "conveniently" use the ARRL=20
> > > Sections as multipliers, they are the 160 Meter contest and the=20
> > > November Sweepstakes, for them the multipliers are AB,=20
> BC, MAR, MB,=20
> > > NL, NT, ON, QC, and SK.
> > >
> > > So for any other contests, your at the mercy of yourself, your=20
> > > logging/contest software maker, or a reflector like this=20
> one to find=20
> > > out how to handle the inconsistent use of multiplier rules and=20
> > > abbreviations. For LOGic I will undo what I did last week and go=20
> > > back to VE Provinces that match the above. That way at least the=20
> > > major contest logforms will still work.
> > >
> > > Until I or someone else can figure a way to pull multiple=20
> variations=20
> > > out of a list of valid values I'll wait to do anything else.
> > >
> > > 73, de Brad, N8GLS
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [email protected]=20
> > > [mailto:[email protected]]On
> > > Behalf Of R Johnson
> > > Sent: Thursday, 08 January, 2004 4:43 PM
> > > To: [email protected]
> > > Cc: [email protected]
> > > Subject: [Logic] Canadian Sect. and Mult. Confusion
> > >
> > >
> > > Below are the extracts from the ARRL sponsored contests=20
> showing the=20
> > > CAN multipliers. These are taken from the Contest Rules=20
> on the ARRL=20
> > > Web Site.
> > >
> > > This lack of consistency is creating much confusion amongst=20
> > > Contesters and the Authors of Contest Programs.
> > >
> > > I fail to see why we can not use the use the 13 multipliers as=20
> > > defined by the standard CAN Postal abbreviations.
> > > NS (VE1), QC (VE2), ON (VE3), MB (VE4), SK (VE5), AB=20
> (VE6), BC (VE7), NT
> > > (VE8), NB (VE9)
> > > NL (VO1,VO2), NU (VY=D8), YT (VY1), PE (VY2).
> > >
> > > Other contests such as RAC Canada Day, RAC Winter and=20
> NCJ's NAQP and=20
> > > Sprint all use the 10 Provinces and 3 Territories to give 13=20
> > > multipliers.
> > >
> > > The League seems to be out of step with everyone else (MY=20
> opinion)=20
> > > !!!! While they as the Contest Sponsors, can define=20
> things the way=20
> > > they want, but it sure would nice for all the logging=20
> programs to be=20
> > > able to be able to use common definitions to
> > > facilitate moving data between each other.
> > >
> > > 73
> > > Bob, K1VU
> > > ************************************************************
> > > ARRL 10M 2003 (14 CAN Multipliers Defined)
> > > 5.2.2. Canada [NB (VE1, 9), NS (VE1), QC (VE2), ON (VE3),=20
> MB (VE4),=20
> > > SK (VE5), AB (VE6), BC (VE7), NWT (VE8), NF, (VO1), LB (VO2)], YT=20
> > > (VY1), PEI
> > > (VY2) NU (VY=D8).
> > >
> > > ************************************************************
> > > ARRL 160M 2003 (Nothing Defined)
> > > 5.2.1. Northern Territory (NT) multiplier includes the Northwest=20
> > > (NWT), Yukon (VY1) and Nunavut (VY0) territories. Could=20
> be 9 Mults=20
> > > where MAR=3DNB,NS,PEI + NT=3DNT,NU,NW + NL=3DNF,LA PLUS=20
> QC,ON,MB,SK,AB,BC
> > > OR
> > > Could be 11 mults where NT=3DNT,NU,NW + NL=3DNF,LA PLUS
> > > NS,QC,ON,MB,SK,AL,BC,NB,PE
> > > OR
> > > Could be 12 mults where NT=3DNT,NU,NW PLUS=20
> NS,QC,ON,MB,SK,AL,BC,NB,NL,LA,PE
> > >
> > > ************************************************************
> > > ARRL Field Day 2003
> > > nothing directly defined That I could find easily)
> > >
> > > ************************************************************
> > > ARRL International DX 2004 (14 CAN Multipliers Defined) 5.2.2. DX=20
> > > stations: Sum of US states (except KH6/KL7), District of Columbia=20
> > > (DC), and Canadian provinces/territories: NB (VE1, 9), NS=20
> (VE1), QC=20
> > > (VE2), ON (VE3), MB (VE4), SK (VE5), AB (VE6), BC (VE7),=20
> NWT (VE8),=20
> > > NF (VO1), LB (VO2), NU (VY0), YT (VY1), PEI (VY2) worked per band=20
> > > (maximum of 63 per band).
> > >
> > > ************************************************************
> > > ARRL November SS 2003 (Nothing Defined)
> > > 5.1. Multiplier: Each ARRL Section and RAC Section plus=20
> the Canadian=20
> > > NT (Northern Territories - encompassing VE8 / VY1 / VY0) with a=20
> > > maximum number of 80.
> > >
> > > 5.2. Final score: Multiply QSO points (two per QSO) by=20
> the number of=20
> > > ARRL/RAC sections (plus NT VE8/VY1/VY0).
> > >
> > >
> > > Could be 9 Mults where MAR=3DNB,NS,PEI + NT=3DNT,NU,NW +=20
> NL=3DNF,LA PLUS=20
> > > QC,ON,MB,SK,AB,BC OR
> > > Could be 11 mults where NT=3DNT,NU,NW + NL=3DNF,LA PLUS
> > > NS,QC,ON,MB,SK,AL,BC,NB,PE
> > > OR
> > > Could be 12 mults where NT=3DNT,NU,NW PLUS=20
> NS,QC,ON,MB,SK,AL,BC,NB,NL,LA,PE
> > >
> > > ************************************************************
> > > ARRL RTTY Roundup 2004 (14 CAN Multipliers Defined)
> > > 5.2. Multipliers: Each US state (except KH6 and KL7) plus the=20
> > > District of Columbia (DC), Canadian=20
> provinces/territories: NB (VE1,=20
> > > 9), NS (VE1), QC (VE2), ON (VE3), MB (VE4), SK (VE5), AB=20
> (VE6), BC=20
> > > (VE7), NWT (VE8), NF (VO1), LB (VO2), NU (VY=D8), YT (VY1),=20
> PEI (VY2)=20
> > > and each DXCC country. KH6 and KL7 count only as separate DXCC=20
> > > countries
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