[Logic] Canadian Sect. and Mult. Confusion

Thu, 8 Jan 2004 19:37:23 -0500

"as it has not been a problem in many years, and is well ingrained among
thousands of contesters."
Well that's complete moose manure!!! I lose a LOT of time every contest
explaining that the multiplier for Quebec is QC and not PQ, which the
ARRL used to use ( and did change because I used to have to explain why
it was PQ and not QC ) And I've seen long discussions on reflectors of
people trying to understand why there are 14 provinces.
Since they used the postal abbreviations for the US states... It would
be a courtesy if they would do the same for Canada, as THAT is what most
people expect. And using NWT for NT because they used NT as a section
identifier is really confusing. I'm sure their heart is in the right
place, but I wish they would straighten this out once and for all!
To sum up... They should use postal codes for Provinces... There should
be 13, and they can use whatever they like for Sections... If they
insist on 14 divisions for some contest... DON"T CALL THEM PROVINCES!!!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]=20
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bradford J.=20
> Williams - N8GLS
> Sent: January 8, 2004 19:06
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [Logic] Canadian Sect. and Mult. Confusion
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> Hi Bob,
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> Sorry, but I think were all beating a dead horse. The=20
> responses I got back from the ARRL stack-up like this:
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> The ARRL Sections have nothing to do with contests.
> Several contests "conveniently" use the ARRL Section list as=20
> multipliers. The multiplier abbreviations will be "whatever=20
> works". There is nothing in the rules that says they have to=20
> follow US or Canadian postal abbreviations. There is no=20
> reason to change anything as it has not been a problem in=20
> many years, and is well ingrained among thousands of contesters.
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> So, it boils down to this. In the eyes of the ARRL, there=20
> are 14 Provinces in Canada, period......forget the fact that=20
> there are 13, it doesn't matter because they are "just"=20
> multipliers. Now, there are three ARRL contests that treat=20
> Canadian "provinces" as multipliers (I should have said=20
> ARRL's "view" of what Canada's provinces are), they are ARRL=20
> Int'l DX, 10-Meter, and RTTY Round-up. For these contests,=20
> the multipliers are AB, BC, LB, MB, NB, NF, NS, NU, NWT, ON,=20
> PEI, QC, SK, and YT.
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> Now, this leaves those contests that "conveniently" use the=20
> ARRL Sections as multipliers, they are the 160 Meter contest=20
> and the November Sweepstakes, for them the multipliers are=20
> AB, BC, MAR, MB, NL, NT, ON, QC, and SK.
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> So for any other contests, your at the mercy of yourself,=20
> your logging/contest software maker, or a reflector like this=20
> one to find out how to handle the inconsistent use of=20
> multiplier rules and abbreviations. For LOGic I will undo=20
> what I did last week and go back to VE Provinces that match=20
> the above. That way at least the major contest logforms will=20
> still work.
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> Until I or someone else can figure a way to pull multiple=20
> variations out of a list of valid values I'll wait to do=20
> anything else.
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> 73, de Brad, N8GLS
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]=20
> [mailto:[email protected]]On
> Behalf Of R Johnson
> Sent: Thursday, 08 January, 2004 4:43 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: [Logic] Canadian Sect. and Mult. Confusion
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> Below are the extracts from the ARRL sponsored contests=20
> showing the CAN multipliers. These are taken from the Contest=20
> Rules on the ARRL Web Site.
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> This lack of consistency is creating much confusion amongst=20
> Contesters and the Authors of Contest Programs.
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> I fail to see why we can not use the use the 13 multipliers=20
> as defined by the standard CAN Postal abbreviations. NS=20
> (VE1), QC (VE2), ON (VE3), MB (VE4), SK (VE5), AB (VE6), BC=20
> (VE7), NT (VE8), NB (VE9) NL (VO1,VO2), NU (VY=D8), YT (VY1), PE =
(VY2).
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> Other contests such as RAC Canada Day, RAC Winter and NCJ's=20
> NAQP and Sprint all use the 10 Provinces and 3 Territories to=20
> give 13 multipliers.
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> The League seems to be out of step with everyone else (MY=20
> opinion) !!!! While they as the Contest Sponsors, can define=20
> things the way they want, but it sure would nice for all the=20
> logging programs to be able to be able to use common=20
> definitions to facilitate moving data between each other.
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> 73
> Bob, K1VU
> ************************************************************
> ARRL 10M 2003 (14 CAN Multipliers Defined)
> 5.2.2. Canada [NB (VE1, 9), NS (VE1), QC (VE2), ON (VE3), MB=20
> (VE4), SK (VE5), AB (VE6), BC (VE7), NWT (VE8), NF, (VO1), LB=20
> (VO2)], YT (VY1), PEI
> (VY2) NU (VY=D8).
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> ************************************************************
> ARRL 160M 2003 (Nothing Defined)
> 5.2.1. Northern Territory (NT) multiplier includes the=20
> Northwest (NWT), Yukon (VY1) and Nunavut (VY0) territories.=20
> Could be 9 Mults where MAR=3DNB,NS,PEI + NT=3DNT,NU,NW + NL=3DNF,LA=20
> PLUS QC,ON,MB,SK,AB,BC OR Could be 11 mults where NT=3DNT,NU,NW=20
> + NL=3DNF,LA PLUS NS,QC,ON,MB,SK,AL,BC,NB,PE
> OR
> Could be 12 mults where NT=3DNT,NU,NW PLUS=20
> NS,QC,ON,MB,SK,AL,BC,NB,NL,LA,PE
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> ************************************************************
> ARRL Field Day 2003
> nothing directly defined That I could find easily)
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> ************************************************************
> ARRL International DX 2004 (14 CAN Multipliers Defined)
> 5.2.2. DX stations: Sum of US states (except KH6/KL7),=20
> District of Columbia (DC), and Canadian=20
> provinces/territories: NB (VE1, 9), NS (VE1), QC (VE2), ON=20
> (VE3), MB (VE4), SK (VE5), AB (VE6), BC (VE7), NWT (VE8), NF=20
> (VO1), LB (VO2), NU (VY0), YT (VY1), PEI (VY2) worked per=20
> band (maximum of 63 per band).
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> ************************************************************
> ARRL November SS 2003 (Nothing Defined)
> 5.1. Multiplier: Each ARRL Section and RAC Section plus the=20
> Canadian NT (Northern Territories - encompassing VE8 / VY1 /=20
> VY0) with a maximum number of 80.
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> 5.2. Final score: Multiply QSO points (two per QSO) by the=20
> number of ARRL/RAC sections (plus NT VE8/VY1/VY0).
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> Could be 9 Mults where MAR=3DNB,NS,PEI + NT=3DNT,NU,NW + NL=3DNF,LA=20
> PLUS QC,ON,MB,SK,AB,BC OR Could be 11 mults where NT=3DNT,NU,NW=20
> + NL=3DNF,LA PLUS NS,QC,ON,MB,SK,AL,BC,NB,PE
> OR
> Could be 12 mults where NT=3DNT,NU,NW PLUS=20
> NS,QC,ON,MB,SK,AL,BC,NB,NL,LA,PE
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> ************************************************************
> ARRL RTTY Roundup 2004 (14 CAN Multipliers Defined)
> 5.2. Multipliers: Each US state (except KH6 and KL7) plus the=20
> District of Columbia (DC), Canadian provinces/territories: NB=20
> (VE1, 9), NS (VE1), QC (VE2), ON (VE3), MB (VE4), SK (VE5),=20
> AB (VE6), BC (VE7), NWT (VE8), NF (VO1), LB (VO2), NU (VY=D8),=20
> YT (VY1), PEI (VY2) and each DXCC country. KH6 and KL7 count=20
> only as separate DXCC countries
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