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OK, I understand that the overhead added by my routine is a bit much. Maybe, we could just go half-way? Overriding min and max for arrays, but leaving the axis-argument for more specialized amin and amax routines? Am Montag, 10. Januar 2005 22:38 schrieb Andrew Straw: > Also, we must not forget about round, sum, and abs (and any others I have > missed). For example, abs() caught me because I use the cgkit quaternion > type, which overrides the __abs__ method and thus fails to work properly > with the mlab.py implementation of abs(). Look at these one by one: * abs() already calls an __abs__() method. The clean way to extend it, would therefore be to give arrays such a method. This should solve the problem completely. * round() does not seem to be extendable in Python. Maybe we should propose to change Python itself to introduce a __round__ method? That would only be straightforward. * min, max and sum are all based on iterating over a sequence. Maybe, one should again have __min__, __max__ and __sum__ which should then be checked by the builtin before falling back to iterating over the sequence? I could imagine many kinds of containers that could optimize these operations. So this would again be a detail that should be changed in Python itself. If the builtin min() function would then also pass on keyword arguments, that would solve our problem completely and thoroughly. Does anybody have experience with discussions in the Python forum to estimate how realistic such a PEP would be? Ciao, Norbert -- _________________________________________Norbert Nemec Bernhardstr. 2 ... D-93053 Regensburg Tel: 0941 - 2009638 ... Mobil: 0179 - 7475199 eMail: <No...@Ne...>