We need YOU to help promote Run BASIC!

I downloaded the trial (or is it freeware?) version. I played with it a little last night and I see possibilities. I'll have to play with it some more.

I've played with some of the other web programming languages and the only one I'm any good at is html. I am fairly good at the BASIC language though (at least for my own purposes). This project is right up my alley. I may need a little support on the learning curve in the coming days, but I'm interested in your product(s). Just need to get an idea if it's going to work for me.

The big problem right now is this !#?! New PC operating system.

I think I read all of the posts on this site in the last several hours and I need to figure out what I can do about this Apache thing. I managed to get it working on my old system and muddled through a little with PHP, but no luck so far on this one (Vista Las Vegas!). I wish I didn't have to deal with Apache at all, but it looks like right now it's the only way to go for security purposes. Correct me if I'm wrong! Please!

Anyway, I'm excited about the prospects here. I'm unemployed right now so I have to consult with the boss (my better half) on even small expenditures, but on the up side, I'll have a little more time on my hands to work on my RB skills. The web projects I've been dreaming up are fairly large and this tool looks like it might cut my workload substantially. Thank you for your hard work and I hope that in the near future I can contribute to this very worthy cause!

RB is as secure as anything out there, IMHO. I run it with out fear.
My RB server does not have Apache.

Well, RB definately only offers entry level security... nothing suitable for a website that needs tight security. But you can run RB and Apache together (like I do) to increasy security drastically... at least for content. This however requires some modifications of the httpd.conf and vhosts entries/files and full access to a dns server with http redirection features, if you want to make urls look nice..... as the apache server needs to listen on a different port if you run RB on http port 80.
Anyway, RB can be secured to a decent amount..... but I hope that the next release will add some more security anyway. So... RB is the right choice to get things done fast... and as development is active, RB will even get better! :)
If you have specific apache questions, please post in the "hosting a site with RB/Apache"section of this forum to better keep track.

If security means the ability to prevent intruders from accessing secure information, then so far I have not heard of any weaknesses in that area. We don't make particular claims about how secure RB is, but if you're going to claim that it isn't secure you should at least enumerate the issues as you see them.

-Carl

Well, I'd mentioned some issues a longer time ago already... it's not directly RB that is insecure in some points but the underlaying framework. First of all there are the sessions that are highjackable (but you already said that this is most probalby going to be fixed in the new version when compiled versus the new cincom release). Using "expire" would help a bit, but so far I haven't seen anyone using it here....
Then.. images processed or generated by RB get stored for a longer time in the imagecache... hotlinking is easy and not preventable.. unless you hide it behind apache.... but that causes other security realted problems as RB then can't identify the UserAddress$ anymore. (And no, that's not an apache related problem.. Squid, IQ revers proxy etc cause the same problem.. unless we will somedays have an option the parse the complete header send by the proxy to filter out the client IP that is stored in an extra X-forwarded-for part of the header.)
Anyway, I didn't say RB is insecure, I just said it offers entry level security and is not suited for projects that need a tight security. Alone the highjackable sessions would allow me to invite anyone to a login protected RB site once I logged in regularly, have anyone crawl through the protected area and keep it open forever....
And as mentioned above, you've said some time ago, that this issue is known but might get fixed with the new version.. maybe even allowing to bind sessions to clinet IP and optionally storing extra data in cookies.
So, what I want to say... RB is cool! :) But right now, you need Apache to add some extra security for special things that most people probably will never need when using RB. But some do.. and these people of cause will be very happy about every extra security feature added into RB.

hi,

maybe Carl could promote rb with the hosting providers, because the new users usually use the software that is pre-installed there.(perl, php, python, sql, shopping carts,mail filters,image galleries, etc,etc)

maybe set the rb free edition available for all the users of a hosting provider, and if the users want an upgrade, they can upgrade to , like any other software available in the hosting providers that charges for the premium edition.
other products use full version on a trial basis,etc, but those are marketing decisions.

more users could that rb exists if they have available in their control panel site. and maybe they could ask what is this rb? and try id or develop something with rb.

:)

This is an important idea. Thanks.

Maybe I should put a petition together. Signers would in effect be saying to service providers that they would be interested in purchasing service from them if they included Run BASIC.

-Carl

These forums don't seem to get much activity, is runbasic still being developed? Maybe it's time to try promote runbasic more? I think it's a wonderful idea and language.

Kirk.

I think this is something to consider seriously.

The best way to promote RB is to use it!

Use it to run your websites, use it to power intranet systems, use it for your next web application.
Put a link such as "Powered by Run Basic" at the bottom of each page.

Give out free licenses to registered business people working in programming fields (You need a license per deployed server, right? So they sell a solution to a client, including an RB license. Change the text on the server to be more suited for deployment).

Make it free! Charge for training, classes, books, services, hosting.

Create a plugin system for adding built-in functions (Built in input sanitation to prevent SQL attacks would be a nice thing to have, without having to add a function in every program.)

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A good start would honestly be to run your own websites using RB, such as this forum?
Showcase it's strengths as a realworld application development suite.
The current RB website could use some polishing up and be expanded with "heavier" examples.

"Run Basic - Making web programming easy for beginners, yet is powerful enough for the needs of seasoned programmers"

If I do start hosting my own site, I plan to run it on a Raspberry PI. And, I think I would try running it solely on solar energy so that power outages would only be an issue if my battery bank died.

I would gladly include a "Powered by RunBasic" link on all of my websites. But, until I can figure out how to read and write from a word wrapping textarea, I won't be doing that too soon. I really don't want to spend time learning to set up an Apache server when hosting for PHP is so cheap. But, it looks like setting up a RunBASIC server would be pretty easy. I just need two functions, word wrap and sorting (for file names).

I'm with you! I've been using it for years now, mostly intranet related sites but each time a new project comes up I visit the forums and decide if I dare use RB. My fear is putting together an application that needs some longevity and not feeling confident that RB will be updated should Microsoft release something that causes it to break.

RB is truly a unique product and really needs to be maintained and preserved. An occasional sign of life from the developer would go a long way to boost our confidence.

What is the newest version available ? I purchased 1.01 build 244 a long time ago.

Just to have the promised "next version", even at additional cost would be WONDERFUL!!!! Carl... GET TO WORK!!!! I ahve money and will pay!!!!

I'm with you! I'd be happy to pay for incremental updates as well as any "signs of life" showing that this isn't a dead product.