Talk:Wikisource roadmap

This topic is two-fold, first we can see who is actively reading Wikisource-l as they links are made. And we build a natural list of good people to contact from the various communities for cross-language communication. Secondly, we can see which communities might not be connected with the rest of us an consider some outreach.--BirgitteSB (talk) 01:11, 31 July 2012 (UTC) Reply

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I recall speaking with Daniel (before the Unconference) about Mediawiki and metadata. When I talked about there not actually being a place to store the metadata in Mediawiki, I believe he said there was an upgrade to fix this that was scheduled to be done before Wikidata could rollout. I may have greatly misunderstood the conversation, I honestly don't know what "a place store metadata in Mediawiki" really means at all. It just a phrase I read many years ago in thread about why metadata was impossible for us. I just imagine it as kitchen strangely lacking a pantry. Can anyone explain this situation or else tell me am not making any sense? I would think that appearance of some new "pantry" in Mediawiki might be useful to what Tpt is working on. Maybe it already is somehow part the metdata roadmap and I just don't recognize what is being described there as my "pantry" issue. If anyone can understand what issue I am talking about, I would appreciate being corrected as to the proper terminology. Then I could probaly search and find the right disscussions on my own to understand things better.--BirgitteSB (talk) 18:03, 31 July 2012 (UTC) Reply

Yes, I think Daniel talks about Content Handler that add a way to manage in Mediawiki content that is not Wikitext : with Content Handler extensions can add namespaces with their own storage system (by exemple using JSON as Wikidata will do). This feature will be very useful for improving ProofreadPage in order to implement in a better way a lot of features (specially moving a lot of Javascript into PHP side like the index pages form maker or page pages header and footer) but is not needed for what I'm doing now (an exportation system). Tpt (talk) 20:23, 3 August 2012 (UTC) Reply

Currently the first line in the TODO section is:

• write gadget that can (looks like http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Gadget-VIAFDataImporter)

I'm not sure what this means. Is this about the gadget (which started on English Wikisource as s:en:MediaWiki:Gadget-addViafData.js) or the Help page? Either way, what do we want it to do? The bullet point just stops without an object. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 17:26, 5 August 2012 (UTC) Reply

I retread this in context on the hackpad to jog my memory. We were talking about Wikidata to manage metadata using the Wikidata permanent ID's of Wikipedia articles as catalog as well as the IDs from other authorities. Now to give some context. Wikidata would need development and funding to be able to handle metadata on Wikisource.. Daniel from Wikidata was encouraging us to develop the idea as he is needing proposals of what to do with Wikidata after next year to present for funding. Wikidata is not funded by WMF, WMDE manages the project and they have received funding from some big groups (I don't remember exactly who). So they need to ask for more funding and explain what they will do with it or look for new work. This is not like staff delevelopment. So if this direction is funded for Wikidata I imagine it will still be years till we can work with Wikidata. In the meantime, if it turns out that this development is forthcoming, we can plan to gather metadata in way that will be transferable to Wikidata. This intermediate method would store the metadata in templates. However since template are painful, we discussed a using the magic forms for templates, like you see in the demo Tpt has made for index templates. So the to do item is to build a gadget that import some basic metadata from authoritative catalogues and creates this template in a way that is not very painful, but still open-ended to add additional meta-data. It was discussed that this should be a gadget since a Wikidata extension would supercede it. Nowwhat was not really discussed was if Wikidata was not funded to develop a metadata handler for Wikisource. In that case I imagine we would want to make an extention rather than a just gadget for our house solution. But even if we go with some house extension, a gadget still might be a good way to experiment before finalizing how an extension will operate. Does this make sense, or do I need to back up?--BirgitteSB (talk) 03:56, 8 August 2012 (UTC) Reply

OK. I don't have the technical knowledge to talk about the magic forms but isn't this proposed gadget exactly what English Wikisource has already? Can't other Wikisources simply copy and paste the gadget to their own wikis and localise the text? Inductiveload created it, he may be able to help with that. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 01:05, 13 August 2012 (UTC) Reply

Which gadget are thinking of?--BirgitteSB (talk) 03:53, 13 August 2012 (UTC) Reply

Bonjour,

Il me semble qu'il manque un outil ressemblant à s:fr:Wikisource:Recherche dans les catégories (il faut activer le gadget pour que ça fonctionne). L'idée serait d'avoir plusieurs champs sur une page, de pouvoir sélectionner la ou les langues de recherche, d'entrer des noms de catégories (avec autocomplétion afin d'éviter les erreurs) pour pouvoir les croiser : Auteurs français + Auteurs du XVIIe siècle + Poètes. Il existe déjà l'extension mw:Extension:DynamicPageList (Wikimedia) qui permet de faire s:fr:Portail:Littérature française du XVIIe siècle/Catégories, mais c'est limité et pas toujours pratique, il faut par exemple faire soi-même la présentation. Je pense donc qu'un outil spécifique à Wikisource et concernant tous les domaines linguistiques présenterait un grand intérêt. Marc (talk) 15:50, 8 August 2012 (UTC) Reply