Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Editing/Easily add page numbers with "cite" automatic button for books and then easily "reuse" listed book references with/without new page number(s) if needed.
Easily add page numbers with "cite" automatic button for books and then easily "reuse" listed book references with/without new page number(s) if needed.
- Problem: Adding book references is more difficult than adding press articles with an url in Wikipedia's articles with the "cite" button.
- Proposed solution: Why ? It is best described with an example :
Use the "Cite" button ; add the ISBN of a book ; click generate (until there it is working fine!) ; But now you can't add the page number(s) of the book (*) ! This must be available easily for the average user. After that, all the things can be automated by code!
Bonus: once you have added the book in the References section, you should be able to use the Cite button/reuse to reuse the book with the same page number or not!
Voila! No need to use complex templates (create sfn template with anchors,...). edit: (*) For ebooks, we could use chapter number and/or start/end of the relevant citation.
- Who would benefit: Wikipedia editors
- More comments:
- Phabricator tickets: T216817
- Proposer: Jurbop (talk) 10:23, 1 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
Use the "Cite" button ; add the ISBN of a book ; click generate (until there it is working fine!) ; But now you can't add the page number(s) of the book (*) ! This must be available easily for the average user. After that, all the things can be automated by code!
Bonus: once you have added the book in the References section, you should be able to use the Cite button/reuse to reuse the book with the same page number or not!
Voila! No need to use complex templates (create sfn template with anchors,...). edit: (*) For ebooks, we could use chapter number and/or start/end of the relevant citation.
- Who would benefit: Wikipedia editors
- More comments:
- Phabricator tickets: T216817
- Proposer: Jurbop (talk) 10:23, 1 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
Discussion
Thanks for suggesting this. I too get a big headache when I use books rather than websites specifically because I can't easily place page numbers! I usually use Google Books and Visual Editor. When I paste the link into the auto-cite, I too wish it automatically detected the page number, as it's included in the URL. The ability to copy-paste the same reference but only change the pages would be helpful too. I appreciate your wish as it would help virtually all editors and hope this gets the attention it deserves. Evedawn99 (talk) 15:07, 1 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
- @Evedawn99. Thanks for your kind comment . It is a good idea too to automatically add page number for Google Book urls. I believe the same idea can be done for archive.org book pages. Maybe this can already be done with Web2Cit ? Example for the url of a french article? If you are a coder, you can create your own here and you can see the list of already done urls with Web2Cit monitor. Jurbop (talk) 16:13, 1 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
- Something might already by covered by Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Citations/Prompt for page number(s) for compatible cite sources (e.g. book, journal) and Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Larger suggestions/Re-use citation with different page number in VisualEditor. --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 09:02, 2 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
- @Matěj Suchánek Thanks for pointing these existing suggestions that I haven't seen before. They are right to the point (Thanks User:Femke). By reading them, apparently, these kinds of suggestions were already made several times over the previous years! The answers of the coding teams are always, it seems, along the following : 1) not a priority as not enough people vote for them in the International Community Wishlist request (maybe only with some regional one, like DE-wiki that uses the Visual Editor by default)! 2) Technically, it is difficult to do in visual editor!
- Ok. For 2) maybe some things can be easily implemented inside Web2cit (I am notifying User:Diegodlh)? For instance, adding page numbers like this photo (excerpted from a 2019 phabricator ticket]]) inside the second part of this photo from a random New Yorker article (you get the idea if it was a book) ? It should be easy as Web2Cite take the data by default from another provider! Jurbop (talk) 10:18, 2 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]
