Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Archive2

Administrators and patrollers on the encyclopedia, who are in charge of judging the credibility of information in which Wikipedias are any specific people "in charge" of this function, and by what authority? · · · Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 11:24, 20 January 2020 (UTC) Reply

Hey Peter (Southwood), I'll take a stab a clarifying, happy to have suggestions on how to make the language more clear. That phrase on the Prioritize Topics for Impact recommendation originates, in part, from a strategy salon. The context of which is that the idea that more representation and participation is needed in those regions by local editors. The community governance structures on-wiki would help determine what is permissible as a source and what polices help guide the content policies on a wiki, but those should take in the knowledge and familiarity of the local communities that are being written about. CKoerner (WMF) (talk) 17:46, 20 January 2020 (UTC) Reply

I do not understand this either. Who is going to determine which sources are permissable? Today, it is the community of a wiki. But I read your explanation that the community should only "help determine"? And what do you mean by "more representation and particpation is needed in those regions by local editors"? The "local editors" are the community members of the language version e.g. of Wikipedia? --Ziko (talk) 18:51, 20 January 2020 (UTC) Reply

Hey Ziko. Hmm, I think again (like "guidelines") we're risking getting stuck on language. It can be modified if there's a benefit to clarity. :) Maybe I should have omitted the word "help" from my reply? Does that read differently? As for "local editors" the context of this recommendation is regional. CKoerner (WMF) (talk) 20:47, 20 January 2020 (UTC) Reply

"WMF should also publish the guidelines for content diversity to ensure the editor community can get involved in knowledge production that is relevant for marginalized communities"... Hello, I understand most of the segment in this way: WMF should make proposals about which content the volunteers could write. But "guidelines for content diversity" sounds like expectations that the WMF is going to enforce somehow? What if no volunteer is interested in content about "marginalized communities"? --Ziko (talk) 18:47, 20 January 2020 (UTC) Reply

Are flat-earthers a marginalized community? Or do those who believe Pizzagate was no hoax but Sandy Hook was have a right not to be marginalized? What about Nazis? Grüße vom Sänger ♫ ^(Reden) 18:54, 20 January 2020 (UTC) Reply

Ziko, yeah in the wiki world the word "guidelines" is more akin to policy. Here it suggests guidance. So nothing related to enforcement. Instead think of this recommendation as the folks involved in these recommendations saying we (the foundation) should be spending some of our energy bringing to light ways communities might be more successful increasing diversity of participation (and content). One way we could do this is by publishing guidance all communities can benefit from. I think the footnote addresses your second question – at least in part. because they help to appreciate and give right to areas that may be marginalized and not really cared for by all. :) So yes, while folks might not care about a particular area, I think the existing, and growing diversity, in our movement shows that there are people who will be interested. Especially with some support from the foundation. CKoerner (WMF) (talk) 20:42, 20 January 2020 (UTC) Reply

So WMF knows the right diversity and supports the ones who are on the right path ...Sicherlich ^Post 20:48, 20 January 2020 (UTC) Reply

Where did you find this, Ziko? I'm pretty confused that the recommendation names the Wikimedia Foundation as the responsible entity for content issues. Alice Wiegand (talk) 20:53, 20 January 2020 (UTC) Reply

Since all recommendations' talk pages are forwarded to this central one, how can we help readers to understand what recommendation people are talking about? Alice Wiegand (talk) 20:56, 20 January 2020 (UTC) Reply

Really? Four items under the headline of Improve UX and three of them are diversity? What is this? Does anyone believe that diversity is a UX issue? Or the other way round: that the most pressing issues with UX are related to diversity? You gotta be kiddin ... --h-stt !? 20:57, 20 January 2020 (UTC) Reply