Talk:Language committee

Please add any questions or feedback to the language committee here on this page.

LangCom please see these 1. Kashmiri Wiki[1] both in dewnagri and kashmir scripts projects,there is no active 3 users available 2.Western Punjabi Wiki[2] 3.Pashto Wiki[3] 4.Sindhi Wiki[4] there is only one active user, there are no active 3 users available, please revert back these projects to incubator after checking check user --Rehmat Aziz Chitrali 07:18, 18 April 2017 (UTC) Reply

@Rachitrali:

1. Denigrating other projects will not help you make your case for your project.
2. The rules for projects that already exist are not necessarily the same as the rules for projects looking to become approved. It is possible that some or all of the projects you cited above would not be approved if they came up for approval today. But since they do exist, they are subject only to the rules for existing projects.
3. The only way to close a project that already exists and to move it back to Incubator is if it is closed consistent with Closing projects policy.

I suggest you focus on recruiting more contributors to your community and on continuing to grow the Khowar Wikipedia test. Don't worry about other tests and projects unless you see a lot of vandalism in them. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:38, 19 April 2017 (UTC) Reply

Request for launching Wikinews, Dutch version from the Dutch Wikinews Community

During the last months, there has been a lot of activity on the Dutch Wikinews. The project is currently active with an average of 4 to 10 new articles each day. It's the intention to build a coherent relationship with the news sections of Wikipedia in Dutch. There are also some ideas to work together with journalism schools in collaboration with 'Wikimedia the Netherlands', but those have not yet been made concrete. To keep the project growing, it's designated to launch the Wikinews officially with an own wiki. (An additional request is to rename Wikinews in Dutch to 'Wikinieuws', the Dutch translation of the name and to purchase the domains wikinieuws.nl and wikinieuws.be redirecting to this Wiki). --Livenws (talk) 09:50, 22 April 2017 (UTC) Reply

Support- this request is in my name as well, as I am currently an active contributor to nl-wikinews too. It's been here for almost one day and a half now, it would be nice if it could be handled soon. De Wikischim (talk) 13:38, 23 April 2017 (UTC) Reply

I've been watching you two, and others, work hard at this over the last several months. So I support. But do understand that these things take time. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:59, 24 April 2017 (UTC) Reply

Thanks for your reply, but I was afraid that none of the Language committee members had read this message. Meanwhile we continue to work on the project in the Incubator. --LIVE NIEUWS (talk) 21:47, 24 April 2017 (UTC) Reply

@LIVE NIEUWS: That said: this is really still a three-person operation (mainly). That's technically enough, but see if you can recruit a few more contributors. That will help your cause. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:33, 25 April 2017 (UTC) Reply

We are very busy with that, but it isn't easy. Many contributors do not want to cooperate until it's out of the incubator. --Livenws (talk) 21:47, 25 April 2017 (UTC) Reply

Support - I'm actually a Wikipedian, but I will try to donate an article so once and a while. As long as it is in the incubator, it doesn't motivate to do so though. So I very much support the idea to launch Wikinieuws again. In that case, recruitment of new volunteers will be easier too. Ymnes (talk) 09:43, 30 April 2017 (UTC) Reply

Support --Huhbakker (talk) 14:00, 30 April 2017 (UTC) Reply

Support- As for the reasons said above JBergsma1 (talk) 18:41, 30 April 2017 (UTC) Reply

I have a special request. I have seen that it is possible to import articles from other projects. This is functioning on the German Wikipedia for instance. This would be a great asset when the Dutch Wikinieuws is revived, thinking of two categories: 1) articles on Dutch Wikipedia that are nominated for deletion because they are merely news pages and not so much encyclopedia pages; and 2) contributions in other Wikinews languages (especially original interviews/news). Is it possible to have this option operational as well, when Wikinieuws has restarted? Ymnes (talk) 18:56, 1 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

I endorse the first part of Ymnes' suggestion which is about importing articles from NL-WP the subjects of which are more appropriate for Wikinews (a template for this was already created earlier, see [5]), but the idea of importing texts from other language versions of Wikinews seems rather discussable. And why in particular original news/interviews? De Wikischim (talk) 19:46, 1 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

Only to be translated right away next, to have the original journalist in the history page. Ymnes (talk) 16:00, 2 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

Oppose the Dutch Wikinews is a failed project. No real community and the content was crap. When I look on incubator I see a hand full of users just copy and pasting stuff from online news sources. This project doesn't have any potential. This is just a spike in activity that doesn't even come near to being a viable project. Multichill (talk) 21:55, 4 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

Obviously you don't know anything about the current status of nl-Wikinews. My suggestion: read yourself up on that first, and then give your opinion here. De Wikischim (talk) 15:22, 5 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

Multichill, you've not informed yourself. Your post is not what the current status is. Please argue in the Redactieruimte, in stead of just saying something here. Ymnes (talk) 20:24, 5 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

Yes, let's attack the person who doesn't like your pet project. I looked into it before I commented here. De Wikischim is a very problematic member of the Dutch community with an impressive blocklog on the Dutch Wikipedia and and on the Dutch Wikiquote. Having a problematic user like this as the main driver of the project will make sure that a lot of members from the Dutch community don't want anything to do with it. It will just become a project for for a few outcasts. And no, I won't comment in your "Redactieruimte", because the language committee reads this page and I don't want them to make the mistake of re-opening this project. Multichill (talk) 19:50, 12 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

Dear Multichill, I can confirm you that there is an excellent co-operation on Wikinews with all of the contributing members. Also, there is no "main driver", everyone has the same right to speak and all decisions are made with the approval of the others. Please take a look in the discussion room to convince yourself. --Livenws (talk) 10:41, 13 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

Support Activity past months looks good enough.TheDragonhunter (talk) 14:08, 7 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

Support A few colleagues worked hard on the resurrection of a once failed project. They should be rewarded for this work. Wikipedia has been "abused" a few years with all kinds of news articles that have a short life and can be written from now on in the renewed Wikinews in the Dutch language. Klaas `Z4␟` V: 08:49, 8 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

(削除) Neutral - On one hand, (削除ここまで) Dutch Wikinews can balance Dutch Wikipedia. (削除) On the other hand, is this necessary? The Norwegian Wikinews is close to closing, and I wonder whether Dutch people are interested in original reporting for Wikinews. (削除ここまで) --George Ho (talk) 11:40, 8 May 2017 (UTC); new comment below. 11:53, 8 May 2017 (UTC)Reply

Hmm... change to support. Let's give Dutch Wikinews a few years. I hope we can bring in more original Dutch reporters to compete existing Dutch outlets. --George Ho (talk) 11:53, 8 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

Let me add some important facts/differences here: Norwegian is spoken by circa 4.6 million people and they have two forms of writing: Bokmål and Nynorsk. So on an average 2.3 million people per language. Dutch is spoken in 3 countries: the Netherlands, Belgium and Suriname. There are 24 million people around the world that speak this language. I have respect for what the Norwegians do on the projects, but the comparison is not very equal. Ymnes (talk) 15:56, 8 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

Thanks for the statistical facts, Ymnes. According to my research, the Netherlands and Belgium are highly dense countries. BTW, I previewed the incubated Dutch Wikinews, and my conclusion for the high activity is the lack of protection of the articles, especially when created. Articles at English Wikinews currently need an approval of an admin or an editor with reviewer right, but the amount of active admins and reviewers is very low, resulting in very little number of articles published. If Dutch Wikinews is officially resurrected, how would the articles be approved and managed there? --George Ho (talk) 16:52, 8 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

The current editors are very active and I'm quite sure three are very determined to stay (two are editing/reviewing work of others as well - not even counting me in here, and I do it as well where I can). Others will come by so now and than and there are plans to attract new users. So don't worry about that. Dutch Wiki projects are quite reliable in general terms. When I compare it between Dutch and English Wikipedia (and a lot of users on nl.Wikipedia share this view), Dutch Wikipedia may be smaller but is much more reliable than English Wikipedia. Next to that everything on nl.Wikinews is sourced, so readers can check en correct themselves as well, just how Wiki's work. Ymnes (talk) 17:05, 8 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

(...) (and a lot of users on nl.Wikipedia share this view) (...) Based on what? The Banner (talk) 19:49, 13 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

Oppose Just a very tiny group is people WikiNews. There is no guarantee about continuity with such a tiny group. The Banner (talk) 19:45, 8 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

Let not feelings matter please, especially when one is accustomed to Wikipedia figures. Look at for instance German Wikinews (quite a good comparison, although much more active on Wikipedia than the Dutch version): on Wikinews it has 1,67 news items per day in april. The current Dutch version in the incubator has 6,67 new news items per day (203 in april). Please let the facts count. The platform of Wikinews is a very different thing than Wikipedia, and when there is momentum under a small group to restart it, than we should restart it now. What I mentioned above here, is what I really expect: three people are at least there to stay, so I expect very much that the momentum will stay as well. An so will be the numbers than: far much more than German Wikinews. Ymnes (talk) 04:56, 9 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

By now they are active, but what will happen when the Wikipedia Community refuses to allocate space on the opening page? That scenario is not unlikely! The Banner (talk) 15:06, 9 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

"What if ... happens" questions aren't very useful. Ymnes (talk) 17:38, 9 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

@The Banner: that's completely beside the point. This here is nothing but a simple request to put Wikinews-nl back into the main space. How the community on Wikipedia-nl will react to that afterwards, is a completely different chapter which is not at all important here on Meta. You can discuss it further on Wikipedia-nl if you want. De Wikischim (talk) 19:56, 9 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

Actually, I think User:The Banner is making a different point. He's suggesting that the Netherlands Wikipedia community will refuse to link to Wikinews-nl at the Actueel and Zusterprojecten sections of the Main Page. And if that happens, Wikinews will remain relatively unknown and isolated in the Dutch-speaking community. I suspect that WMF does not want warring Dutch-language news efforts going on. StevenJ81 (talk) 20:45, 9 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

Please don't feed negative feelings, but support facts. The facts I gave are very convincing: 300+ articles month after month is different from the end of Dutch Wikinews when just 2 articles in one month were written. There's a quite high rate of quality in Dutch Wikinews now as well: it's all sourced now and the quality is better than many other versions. Compare it here to en.wikinews: nl.wikinews has more activity, more maintenance, less vandalism (and that will be noticed and dealt with faster). When looking at the real facts on Dutch Wikipedia, there is still an English language link to Wikinews under Zusterprojecten: this one will certainly be in Dutch, when a Dutch version has been relaunched again (especially when quality and new work are shown, as it does). Then the section of Aktueel is there and will remain there, so there is a wish for news on the front page of nl.Wikipedia. There have always been links from there to the past version of nl.Wikinews and there are no arguments why this should be different after a relaunch. The current movement is very different from than. Among the current users on Wikinews, it has been talked over yet that we will not rush in at Dutch Wikipedia, but let the community slowly accustom to the fact that Wikinieuws has been restarted again. In fact there aren't loud negative voices there at the moment. One is only worrying, that users will step over (so there will be less Wikipedians), but they don't fear this project there. Ymnes (talk) 05:30, 10 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

@StevenJ81: as such, this has nothing to do with the question whether Wikinews-nl should be relaunched. At the moment, the degree of activity on Wikinews-nl is even higher than on other language versions of the project. After the project will have been relaunched, it's up to the community on Wikipedia-nl whether or not they want to treat it just like every other sister project. But as I already noticed, that's an issue which must be discussed on Wikipedia-nl itself. De Wikischim (talk) 09:28, 10 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

What you see here are mainly the Wikinews-editors pleading for approval. I have checked 30 articles, only to see 6 editors. 4 content creators and 2 fly-by's. That is an unsound base for a whole separate project. And as I have stated before: there is no approval yet that they/this project will gets space on the main page.

What I suggest is to do it differently: Step 1: request access to the main page as an incubator project (as far as I know the di9fference is not visible to the outside world). Step 2: Widen that article-creator group (real content creators, no fly-by's). Step 3: Prove that the project is sound by delivering a steady stream of news-articles for a period of at least a year. Step 4: ask WMF approval for recognition as separate project.

Nobody has any use of a project just hanging into thin air when the the Dutch community refuses the access. Nobody has any use for a project that collapses within the year because their are not enough content-creators to handle people leaving. The Banner (talk) 12:25, 11 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

Nobody has any use of a project just hanging into thin are when the the Dutch community refuses the access The possible launch was announced in the village pump of nl.wikipedia. There were a few reactions and 0 objections. Only two users came here to object. So that statement seems wrong. I actually believe that most users here don't care about Wikinews. In comparison to the other Dutch sister projects is the current Wikinews a lot more active. LIVE NIEUWS also claimed that he had other people that want to write on Wikinews, but not as long as it stays in the incubator. So I don't mind giving it a chance.TheDragonhunter (talk) 14:57, 11 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

The voice of The Banner against the relaunch of nl.Wikinews is a lonely one. The success of the relaunch activities it is yet enormous. Consider how dearly a group of volunteers want to restart this thing, when they are feeding it with 200+ articles per month and that yet a very long time (more than 4 months). One can imagine that widening this group even more is not feasible in an incubator. On the other hand (unlikely to happen, but:) even if we lose 85% of the flow of new articles, there will still be 1 article per day. One can just admit: it's a huge success! In fact, one has to learn to see the advantages of Wikinews. In the short period that I am involved now, I have yet written 2 Wikipedia articles, solely because of the fact that I was searching for information that I needed to write a news article here. And consider too, in a time of fake news, Wikinews is a very good development, and the Dutch language should be a participant of this path. And if you don't like it, there is just no need to join it, you can always have your thing at Wikipedia. Ymnes (talk) 17:01, 11 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

No, Ymnes, I am not the only one objecting. But the situation is now that not-involved editors object and that most of the editors in favour of approval are involved editors. The Banner (talk) 20:24, 11 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

Wikinews in Dutch language (i.e. for NL, BE, SUR, 3 more little countries in the Caribbean and 3 Caribbean areas as a part of NL) is active in the incubator since the beginning of January (nearly 5 months of real activity). I consider it a very long time yet in which many hundreds of articles were written, file categories were filled, and maintenance was done. But if you think we should stay there longer, please tell us how long the term should be. If the amount of work should have been more, please tell us what is needed more to succeed in the launch. If more information is needed, please tell us so and if this page is the right place to write it to the decision makers. If there is still anything needed, before it can be launched, please tell us what it is.
It has been so quiet from the official side, that we really don't understand what we should/can do more. When responsible for the decision, and in case you don't know, pleas ask other Wikinewsers of other languages how we are doing - since this is not a Wikipedia thing.
The best would be to launch it as soon as possible, since at this very moment there is still the momentum and the drive to make it a success. Keeping up the motivation is a human thing, and please support us in keeping it high. Ymnes (talk) 18:22, 30 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

We would like to have an interim report from the Language committée with some information and the state of affairs. Thanks, --Livenws (talk) 12:04, 28 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

If there is 'news' from the LangCom, a member can post it here. Thanks for cooperation. --Livenws (talk) 21:52, 29 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

The month of May 2017 yielded 295 news threads (Category:Wn/nl/Mei 2017). Please get us out of the incubator. We want full operation, like the other languages. Ymnes (talk) 08:35, 3 June 2017 (UTC) Reply

Additionally, I for my part want to remind that the renewed activity on Wikinews-nl began in mid-January and did not decline anymore afterwards. So there has been continuous activity for almost five months now, during which many hundreds (rather, more than thousand) of new pages were created. (Only today, again some new pages were added.) De Wikischim (talk) 12:51, 4 June 2017 (UTC) Reply

Is there already any proof that the Dutch Community will grant you space on the main page? I have not seen anything. The Banner (talk) 15:43, 4 June 2017 (UTC) Reply

Does not matter here, is not necessary at this moment. --Livenws (talk) 16:25, 4 June 2017 (UTC) Reply

@The Banner: please see again my remark with time stamp 19:56, 9 May 2017 . Whether the Dutch Wikipedia community wants to link to nl-Wikinews or not is completely irrelevant for this request, given that the two projects each stand on their own individually. You are invited to discuss that issue further on Wikipedia-nl. De Wikischim (talk) 17:07, 4 June 2017 (UTC) Reply

• Multichill's argument on copy and paste (or close paraphrasing) is an important one which needs to be assessed. Can someone please provide more details on how many articles are deleted on the Dutch Wikipedia for being recentist/news articles? If it's even just one per day, it would be valuable to have a place where to put them (it would also make such cleanup on Wikipedia less traumatic). Nemo 21:12, 4 June 2017 (UTC) Reply
  • There are no pages copy pasted from Wikipedia on incubator Dutch Wikinews, as far as I have seen, and I have seen a lot. Also there is no copvio or whatsoever going on. He has no argument at all. Ymnes (talk) 22:03, 4 June 2017 (UTC) Reply
  • @User:Nemo_bis: such cases do exist indeed, but they are actually very rare (contrarily to what you're suggesting). For the moment, there is only one obvious example, see Incubator:Wn/nl/Aanval op trein in Würzburg. As you can see there, a separate template has been created to indicate that a text put on Wikinews was originally on Wikipedia-nl. In the future, the same procedure can be followed with other topics put on Wikipedia-nl which are more suitable for Wikinews-nl. De Wikischim (talk) 10:34, 5 June 2017 (UTC) Reply

Do we have a 'go', langcom? :) --Livenws (talk) 13:17, 5 June 2017 (UTC) Reply

• Oppose Oppose (for now) THanks Livenws for starting the discussion, it's a good discussiont o have. I do fear though that I have to agree with Multichills assessment above. The number of contributors is too small to be a viable project, I fear. This aside from the more general doubts whether Wikinews as a concept is viable at all. The project was active for quite some years and never took off, always lingering. I'm not confident this will be any different. From a random sample from the articles on incubatorwiki it's either very old content, or semi-automated reports on statistics, or copy-and-paste of (PD) press releases. But perhaps you could give your top-100 articles from the past month, that you think represent what the current community can produce? Effeietsanders (talk) 09:58, 6 June 2017 (UTC) Reply
  • This is really mean and hypocrite, Effeietsanders. As as matter of fact, there are press releases on Dutch Wikinew in the incubator, but the real press publishes them as well. In fact they were keeping the project running for a certain amount of time when it was abandoned by Wikipedians that voted away a sister project where they didn't even work on!!! But the activity was necessary in the end to to get a glimpse of hope in order to restart this thing that is mix of news messages of all kind now. It is mean and hypocrite, because 46 of the last 100 articles Effeietsanders wrote on Dutch Wikipeda lately, were copy-paste articles of Parlement.nl, the website of Dutch parliament. 2% of his last 100 articles were deleted and about 15-20% were disambiguation pages. Effeietsanders copy-pastes more than 50% of what he writes on Dutch Wikipedia, look at it yourself:[6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19] [20] [21] [22] [23] [24] [25] [26] [27] [28] [29] [30] [31] [32] [33] [34] [35] [36] [37] [38] [39] [40] [41] [42] [43] [44] [45] [46] [47] [48] [49] [50] (now you know the messenger, you know what his message is worth: nothing at all, just hating WikiNews)
    Well when you are fair and look at all the articles that are written on WikiNews now, there is a complete different view than some Wikipedia users want to smear on the restart of WikiNews. Here is an overview of articles I could find so quickly. All these articles are written less than a month ago:
    • Saba Electric Company maakt belangrijke stap in de aanleg van een tweede park voor zonne-energie
    • Caribische Ontwikkelingsbank geeft subsidie aan Suriname om economisch herstel aan te zwengelen
    • China schenkt Suriname duizend woningen
    • Suriname favoriete tussenstop voor Haïtianen
    • De stranden van Curaçao liggen bezaaid met stukjes olie
    • John Wijdenbosch met zijn vrouw en dochtertje verongelukt
    • Olie na Bonaire en Curaçao nu ook aangespoeld op de stranden van Aruba
    • Kust van Bonaire besmeurd met olie
    • Mensen in Manchester staan in de rij voor een tatoeage van een bij
    • Blokker verkoopt Leen Bakker
    • Schoonzoon van Donald Trump wilde een geheim communicatiekanaal met het Kremlin opzetten
    • Trein, tram en bus krijgen één kaart in Vlaanderen
    • Toename financiële ondersteuning van Surinaamse familieleden
    • Amerikaanse geoloog deelt in innovatie Surinaamse goudwinning
    • Caribische Ontwikkelingsbank leent 65 miljoen dollar aan Surinaams energiebedrijf
    • Raad van State geeft negatief advies over referenda
    • Ambtenaren van Openbare Werken tegen huiselijk geweld
    • Manchester wint zonder feest de UEFA-finale van Ajax
    • Zeeuw spreekt over slechte omstandigheden in Curaçaose cel
    • Belastingwet voor goudzoekers in de maak
    • De man met het hoedje was in Manchester
    • Ontslagen Turken komen met moeite rond
    • Brand in olieraffinaderij op Curaçao geblust
    • Een kwart van de Surinaamse bevolking heeft verhoogde bloeddruk
    • Koning Willem-Alexander vliegt al meer dan 20 jaar op commerciële vluchten
    • Protestdemonstratie tegen president Bouterse
    • Lijfwachten van Erdogan slaan betogers in Washington in elkaar
    • Delen van het district Marowijne staan blank door extreme neerslag
    • Het bestuur van Bonaire valt opnieuw
    • VS: 'Syrië heeft een crematorium naast een grote gevangenis gebouwd'
    • Nederlandse politie heeft wereldprimeur in toekomstvoorspellingen tegen criminaliteit
    • Feyenoord na 18 jaar weer landskampioen
    • Leuvense gevangenisbewaarder in de kraag gevat
    • Europa heeft nog nooit zoveel kinderloze leiders gehad
    • Curaçaose kustwacht redt Venezolanen die de crises ontvluchten
    • Mexicaanse strijder tegen vermissingen vermoord
    • Jazzmusicus Eddy Veldman opent drumschool in Paramaribo
    • Miljoenste Porsche 911 rolt van de band
    • Meerdere jachtopzieners geschorst in Suriname
    • Nieuwe regering gevormd in Curaçao
    • Sprinter Sunayna Wahi verbreekt Surinaams record
    • Het Nederlands wordt nauwelijks verdrongen door het Engels
    • 20 mensen komen om bij aanslag tijdens begrafenis in Kabul
    • Actie om tuin Kasteel van Laken open te stellen
    • Staking bij Alitalia door naderend faillissement
    • 12 000 betogers op protestmars tegen Trump in Brussel
    • De Lijn vordert 66.500 euro van man die in centrum van Gent met wapen rondzwaaide
    • Auto rijdt in op voetgangers in New York: 1 dode, verschillende gewonden
    • Amerika onderhandelt met Europa over elektronicaverbod op vliegtuig
    • Nationale staking in Griekenland tegen bijkomende besparingen
    • Automobilist rijdt in op groep fietsers, 3 doden
    • Portugal wint Eurovisiesongfestival in Kiev
    • Petitie tegen paardenkoetsen in Brussel
    • Mogelijk misbruik van dagcontracten bij DHL
    • Turkije nog steeds bereid tot lidmaatschap Europese Unie
    • Manuel Valls wil zich aansluiten bij 'En Marche!'
    • Eerste Aziatische hoornaar aangetroffen in België
    • Macron wordt 25ste president van Frankrijk
    • Londense burgemeester wil Trump niet ontvangen
    • Twee tieners aangehouden in verband met vermoorde meisjes
    • Vijf Arabische landen verbreken alle diplomatieke banden met Qatar
    • Inwoners van Bunschoten moeten extra alert zijn op hun kinderen
    • Paniek in Turijn tijdens kijken Champions League-finale, zo'n 1400 gewonden
    • Aanslag op London Bridge en Borough Market
    • Donorkinderen mogen DNA-materiaal van Karbaat verzamelen
    • Festival Rock am Ring voortgezet, "geen terreurdreiging"
    • Nader onderzoek naar incidenten met Nederlandse F-16's
    • Docenten van ROC Zadkine hielpen leerlingen actief bij fraude
    • Tientallen doden bij overval op casino in Manilla
    • Bus vol scholieren uit Geldrop botst op vrachtwagen
    • Australië wil uitreisverbod voor pedoseksuelen
    • Eerste Kamer stemt in met associatieverdrag Oekraïne
    • Willink benoemd tot nieuwe kabinetsinformateur
    • Nieuwe regering van Curaçao beëdigd
    • Transcripties van geluidsopnames treinkaping bij De Punt na 40 jaar vrijgegeven
    • Schippers trekt zich terug als informateur en beveelt Willink aan
    • Bijna 40 schademeldingen na aardbeving Slochteren
    • Wereldwijde storing bij British Airways
    • Ariana Grande geeft benefietconcert in Manchester
    • Meer dan honderd burgerdoden bij luchtaanval in Syrië
    • Aanval op bus vol kopten in Egypte
    • Bom ontploft in auto Griekse oud-premier
    • Zwembaden in Den Haag krijgen pasjessysteem
    • Tientallen vluchtelingen verdronken in Middellandse Zee
    • Groot Dictee stopt
    • Homostel in Atjeh krijgt 83 stokslagen
    • Gesprekken tussen CU en D66 lopen op niets uit; formatie weer gestrand
    • Vijf toezichthouders schuldig bevonden aan verdrinking
    • Geen nieuwe lening voor Griekenland
    • Bom ontploft tijdens optreden Ariana Grande in Manchester
    • Club Reina onverwacht gesloopt
    • Proces begonnen tegen verdachten van couppoging in Turkije
    • Zwitserland gaat akkoord met plannen voor duurzame energie
    • Proef met bodycams bij Amsterdamse politie
    • Duitsland getroffen door noodweer
    • Hassan Rohani herkozen als Iraanse president
    • Zweden stopt met strafrechtelijke vervolging Assange
    • Rellen in Athene na goedkeuring nieuwe bezuinigingen
    • VVD-voorzitter Keizer stapt op
    • Boete van 110 miljoen euro voor Facebook wegens WhatsApp
    • Reuters: minstens 18 keer contact tussen Rusland en campagneteam Trump
    • Bloedbad in Bangassou (CAR), zeker 115 doden
    • Eerste tropische dag van dit jaar, en warmterecord
    • Edith Schippers weer aangesteld als informateur
    • Comey: Trump vroeg om einde onderzoek naar Flynn
    • "Gevoelige informatie over IS kwam uit Israël"
    • Kabinetsformatie met GroenLinks stukgelopen op onderwerp migratie
    • Veiligheidsraad morgen bijeen na nieuwe rakettest Noord-Korea
    • Grote winst CDU in Noordrijn-Westfalen
    • Macron beëdigd als nieuwe Franse president
    • Woerden: ingestort stadhuisdeel gesloopt
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  • Dear Language Committee, release us from all these populist, negative, anti-WikiNews remarks! We have been working like a log for more than 5 months yet and we have proven ourselves to be the next generation of WikiNewsers. If users from Wikipedia don't want to look at WikiNews, than let them go back to Wikipedia. Please reopen WikiNews in Dutch and do it now, meanwhile we have deserved it and shown what we are worth !!!!! All these Wikipedians remarks and hatred, is only getting us negative. Please don't wait any longer, but release us from all those negativist actions. Ymnes (talk) 15:54, 6 June 2017 (UTC) Reply
    • • Please also recognize that Dutch is spoken in several countries and regions: in the Netherlands, in Flandres (Belgium), in Suriname, in three ilse countries in the Caribbean, in another thee extraterritorial parts of the Netherlands in the Caribbean, and somewhat in Luxemburg and South Africa. It's worth to spread quality news in Dutch language. Ymnes (talk) 19:46, 6 June 2017 (UTC) Reply

• Onderzoekscommissie naar zitpenningen Samusocial
• En Marche doet het goed in peilingen parlementsverkiezingen
• Dubbele aanslag in Teheran, IS eist verantwoordelijkheid op
• Duitsland trekt al zijn militairen terug uit Turkije
• Fout bij tellen stemmen verkiezingen, CDA wil meer informatie en debat
• Surinaams minister van Justitie en Politie ontslagen

These are the new news articles on Dutch WikiNews in the incubator since I gave my overview yesterday... Dutch WikiNews is ready! Please give us a GO. Ymnes (talk) 18:33, 7 June 2017 (UTC) Reply

I think we have a pretty good idea for now of the points of view of both User:Ymnes and User:The Banner. Why don't the two of you stop at this point, and let's see whether anyone else has a point of view here. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:02, 7 June 2017 (UTC) Reply

Please don't let us be victim of these scenes in the first place. The application lays here yet a very long time. There has been shown enough to make a decision now. Ymnes (talk) 04:48, 8 June 2017 (UTC) Reply

@StevenJ81: if Wikinews-nl is, according to you, still not viable enough in its current status, then not any language version of the project is actually viable since the current activity in other language versions, including the bigger ones, is even lower. So it would be a very typical example of having double standards. The deliberation about this is endlessly expanded in an negative way especially by The Banner, I'd prefer if you'd not along with that. De Wikischim (talk) 08:26, 8 June 2017 (UTC) Reply

No need to accuse people of double standards. Those who oppose reopening nl.wikinews are often consistent in also asking closure for all the other Wikinews subdomains. (Not that I agree with the idea.) --Nemo 09:27, 8 June 2017 (UTC) Reply

Often? It's only Effeietanders who states this. TheBanner and Multichill are just opposing the reopening of Wikinews-nl, for reasons which are still unclear since they are no active contributors to the project at all. Then how can they have such a pronounced opinion on it? De Wikischim (talk) 09:42, 8 June 2017 (UTC) Reply

Then you should read my statements:

1. not enough active people to guarantee a long standing project.
2. No evidence that the project will not left hanging in the air. (No evidence that they will gain access to the main page of the Dutch Wikipedia, leaving the project invisible.)

The Banner (talk) 11:58, 8 June 2017 (UTC) Reply

Of course The Banner, you can establish and predict the activity with exactitude, even without having done just one edit on the project itself or being involved in it in any other way... @Language Committee members: please do not pay any attention to this senseless negative feedback from just one WP user since it isn't worth it at all. Instead, just give Wikinews-nl finally new access to the main space. De Wikischim (talk) 12:04, 8 June 2017 (UTC) Reply

The amount of active people is growing, not fast (personaly I think that this related to the fact this project is still in the incubator) but steady. The contribution and the amount of the members at this moment should be enough to release this project form the incubator. The point about the mainpage on nl.wikipedia, I don't see this as a requirement to release this project from incubator, if I take a look at en.wikipedia there are no links to articles on the en.wikinews. Personaly I should only link in newsitems pages on the Dutch wikipedia to the Dutch wikinews but that is something the community on nl.wikipedia should decide. Huhbakker (talk) 15:05, 8 June 2017 (UTC) Reply

Support Support Mere good intentions aren't good enough. But this group has shown determination. I feel that we should give them the chance to prove that they can maintain the nl.wikinews as well as attract new editors to it. The dutch language may not be the biggest language in the world, but it reaches worldwide from Canada to Australia from Scandinavia to South Africa. The Dutch language is spoken in communities all over the world.

I believe that Wikinews in the Dutch Language will be a great addition to the Wikimedia-family and therefore I speak out my support for this project. Kind regards, Rodejong 💬 ✉️ 12:59, 8 June 2017 (UTC) Reply

I have directly asked LangCom (of which I am not a member) to come to a decision. I did not advise LangCom one way or the other what to decide, as that is not my role here. However, I did request that if the decision is a "no", LangCom should make very transparent what else may need to be done. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:52, 8 June 2017 (UTC) Reply

Bonjour, Oui enfaite il a de cela quelques mois que j'ai rajouter le créole guyanais comme candidat pour le projet de nouvelle langue sur Wikimedia et je n'ai toujours pas reçu de réponse, S'il vous plaît, j'ai vue sur votre page d'utilisateur que vous travaillez pour la Wikimedia fondation, faite que quelqu'un jette au moins un petit coup d'œil sur mon projet, même ne serai-ce que vous, car je parle Français (je suis français), Anglais (J'ai appris tout seul) et Créole Guyanais (Je suis plus précisément guyanais) et ça fait déjà 2 ans que je suis sur Wikipédia, surtout que ce projet me tient vraiment à cœur, SVP faite quelque chose pour Moi

I speack english Too ! LeGuyanaisPure (talk) 22:31, 19 April 2017 (UTC) Reply

@LeGuyanaisPure:

C'est vrai que le Comité des langues doit decider si le Créole guyanais est éligible pour un projet. Même si le comité ferait ça, avant de créer un nouveau Wikipédia, le comité voudra voir qu'il y a une communauté qui contribuera sur le Wiki. Donc, vous (la communauté) devez commencer un test-wiki chez l'Incubateur pour montrer au comité que vous êtes sérieux. Tu peux commencer immédiatement ici: incubator:Wp/gcr. Bonne chance! StevenJ81 (talk) 20:51, 25 April 2017 (UTC) Reply

Two projects listed below are both looking for approvals now. LangCom did have a question about whether translation of the interface into Hindi at translatewiki.net is proceeding, so in order to keep this moving along I strongly encourage both projects' communities to keep working on translations of messages in the MediaWiki message group at translatewiki.net. StevenJ81 (talk) 22:32, 5 June 2017 (UTC) Reply

This project has seen very good activity during the last six months and more than 3 users have been continuously active during this period. We have focused ourselves at improving quality of articles and now all of them appear to be in good conditions. Looking at the recent activity increase we believe this project can be launched and a domain can be allotted to it. Thus, hereby, I request Language committee to take decision regarding its launch. Thanks. --SM7 ^--talk-- 11:33, 28 April 2017 (UTC) Reply

I don't have enough experience to know whether the number of pages in this test is good or bad for a new Wikivoyage project. However, I have looked at the activity statistics and can affirm what User:SM7 says above. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:25, 28 April 2017 (UTC) Reply

User:StevenJ81, Can you please tell us, what else we have to do? All active users are either admin or one step bellow sysop on hiwiki.☆★Sanjeev Kumar (talk) 06:19, 20 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

@संजीव कुमार: The most important thing you need to do now is to continue (a) creating content, and especially (b) continuing to translate MediaWiki messages at translatewiki.net. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:42, 22 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

Dear @ZaDiak, Santhosh.thottingal, Baba Tabita, Millosh, Evertype, MF-Warburg, Antony D. Green, Amire80, and StevenJ81: And Others Language committee Members, In Last few Months the Hindi Wikiversity Worked Well in Field of Computer Science And Coding Related Topic. And Made over 300+ articles and 7000+ edits in last few Month (This Month statistics not show due to technical problems in Tools server). I want to Lang-com have a look on Hindi Wikiversity. Wikiversity have Different project Compare to Wikipedia like project. They not need to Thousands of Articles. If you look at Other Wikiversity. You find that they approved without much Content. Our main problem is that the redirection of hi.wikiversity.org not made on Beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Category:HI. So here I am Requesting to Lang-com. Please have a look on Content. We made Content from English Wikiversity With Best Quality. Two Lang-com Member are Know Hindi Language. So They Can Help to Verify Hindi Wikiversity's Content. I believe that Lang-com Change Status Eligible to Approval Ongoing. Thank you -Jayprakash12345 (talk) 14:13, 29 April 2017 (UTC) Reply

Comment. I consider this to be borderline approvable now. I'd like to see a little more content from anyone who is not User:Jayprakash12345, only in order to establish the idea that this is a community project, not a one- or two-person project. StevenJ81 (talk) 19:52, 1 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

@StevenJ81: Thank you very Much Sir Can you Solve our Redirection Problem Because Content is not being used by anyone. You can Understand this Problem, @J ansari, Suyash.dwivedi, Swapnil.Karambelkar, and Shivamsaini360: Can you Contribute more in wikiversity project?-Jayprakash12345 (talk) 05:48, 2 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

certainly ,i would be adding more content in near future.Swapnil.Karambelkar (talk) 08:27, 2 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

@Jayprakash12345: Now My Examination are going to End. After that I will Put Enough Article.-Shivamsaini360 (talk) 13:33, 6 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

@Jayprakash12345: You'd have to put in a bug/task at phabricator to fix that. @MF-Warburg: Is it better to fix that redirect problem, or simply to go ahead and get this project out into the subdomain? StevenJ81 (talk) 13:49, 2 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

@MF-Warburg and StevenJ81: I am (削除) fasting (削除ここまで) in this project. Because I talked with some College which connect us without any grants. So Project approval or Redirection Help us to Connect various College. I can take responsibility of Activity on Hindi WIkiversity. -Jayprakash12345 (talk) 14:18, 2 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

@Jayprakash12345: Could you please say that a different way? The only use of "fast" as a verb in English is to refrain from eating for a period of time. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:39, 2 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

@StevenJ81: So Sorry Sir, But my means that Quickness. I am en-1 User. I know that My English is Very Bad. So once again sorry.-Jayprakash12345 (talk)

@Jayprakash12345: Since I am hi-(-4), I have no room to complain. But tell me what you are trying to say. Are you telling me that you are in a hurry to get this done, because you are trying to connect it with some colleges/universities in India? StevenJ81 (talk) 14:58, 2 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

@StevenJ81: Right guess sir. I am trying to connect it with some colleges/universities in India. If Langcom feared that the community will reduce its activity after approval. Dont worry about that. If langcom or meta want my national data or something. I can provide them. We made Hindi Wikiversity channel Here. And aware peoples about Wikiversity and Wikimedia. Introduction to Hindi Wikiversity and Wikimedia in English for this purposes-Jayprakash12345 (talk) 15:36, 2 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

@MF-Warburg and StevenJ81: Sir, Am I authorized user who can put a task at phabricator? Now Hindi Wikiversity got rank 3rd on beta Wikiversity with Having about 400 content. -Jayprakash12345 (talk) 12:40, 4 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

@Jayprakash12345: You can put a task at phabricator; anyone can (if not blocked). However, no task to create a wiki (which is what I assume you want to do) will be considered a valid task unless the Language Committee approves your project. So if I were you, I would not open a task at phabricator. Wait until the Language Committee acts. StevenJ81 (talk) 12:43, 4 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

@MF-Warburg and StevenJ81: Sir, Now HIndi WIkiversity Have 400+ and 10000+ Edits. And Got 2nd Rank on Beta Wikiversity. Please Consider Hindi Wikiversity. We are facing Problems on Beta about Redirection. -Jayprakash12345 (talk) 06:06, 14 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

I have been working closely with Benoit Rochon, president of Wikimedia Canada, to try to get the Wikipedia Test project in Atikamekw ready for approval. Benoit has now reported the following on my Incubator talk page, which I have confirmed independently:
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Bonjour Steven. Thank you for your advice. Blog post has been published by WMF . Also Radio-Canada did an interview about Atikamekw project. It's really cool how things are going well. Now I want to give you a clear overview where we are, since they announced at Radio-Canada that Wikipetia Atikamekw will be launch on 21 June... so I really wish we/they can do it.

• Three participants with at least ten edits each Done
• Translatewiki Most important messages (100%) Done
• Translatewiki MediaWiki core messages (17%) Done
• Messages transferred from translatewiki.net over to the Wikimedia wikis Done
• Fallback language is French Done
• 100-150 real articles with content. to be done
• Translate as far as possible the MediaWiki messages group. to be done

Now, to who (or where) WMCA & partners make commitments? And to who (or where) the techno-linguists certify to LangCom that this language is correct, accurate, etc.

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The one real task left to finish is to get more articles up from stub-level to a point of real content. I gave them the advice of 100–150 articles, because (a) that's about half their current article total for now, and (b) I believe there is commitment from both the authorities of the Atikamekw Nehirowisiw Nation and from Wikimedia Canada to actively support the project further. (Benoit can elaborate further.) Accordingly, I'd like to suggest that the wheels start turning on approving this project, with the understanding that the test community will work to continue on the very enthusiastic and aggressive path they have been taking. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:21, 17 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

Hello, as you saw grant request and blog post, we are a team : people from Wikimedia Canada, Leipzig University (de), Outaouais University (ca), working with Atikamekw Nation and this collaboration will continue over years. I am (we are) available to help the LangCom in any way, and bring this test project to the next level! Contact me, techno-linguists or teachers for further information. Thank you for your time. Best regards, Benoit Rochon (talk) 13:55, 18 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

Good day, I am the VP of Wikimedia Canada and I developed the Strategic Plan for the next 5 years for our chapter, and as Benoit already said, I can confirm that supporting the Wikipetia Atikamekw Nehiromowin is at the center of our efforts, even after the completion of the current project grant. It is one of three programs that I planned for our requested APG that is suppose to start in July. The project will also be presented at Wikimania, as Benoit said. The wheels are turning and they are not stopping after it is out the Incubator, all the reverse. It is our intent to use this project to develop a toolkit to emulate for other First Nations in Canada (and perhaps worldwide), and for that we are supported by university teachers in Quebec and a linguist from Germany. As Benoit said, the project is supported by "tehcno-linguists" of the Atikamekw language from the Institut Linguistique Atikamekw (ILA), which the organization responsible to standardize the language, and they can provide the confirmation you require to confirm that the language in the project is accurate. Thank you for spending time to streamline the process of approval. Amqui (talk) 22:38, 23 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

Press review

English

• News Angelica Montgomery, Web-savvy Atikamekw communities bring mother tongue to life online, CBC/Radio-Canada, May 29 2017.
• Audio CBC radio, New Wikipedia in Atikameks language : German linguist Nastasia Herold started the project in 2013, May 23, 2017.
• News Global Voices, A Wikipedia Made for—and by—the Atikamekw First Nation in Canada, May 23, 2017.
• News Wikimedia Foundation, What do you call a homepage? Incorporating indigenous knowledge into Wikipedia, May 15, 2017.

Français

• Audio Alain Gravel, Radio-Canada, Le défi de faire exister l'atikamekw à l'ère du web, May 30^th, 2016.
• News Wikimedia Canada, Atikamekw and Wikipedia: a partnership for the transmission of the language, April 1^st, 2017.
• Audio Radio-Canada, Ces Québécois qui enrichissent l'encyclopédie en ligne Wikipédia, May 1^st, 2017.
• News Radio-Canada, Une encyclopédie en ligne rédigée en atikamekw, May 17^th, 2017.
• Audio Radio-Canada, La nation atikamekw de la Mauricie développe sa propre encyclopédie Wikipédia, May 17, 2017.

This project is on track for the past 4 years. Why is it still under review? StevenJ81, MF-Warburg, Amqui, make this happen. Best regards, Benoit Rochon (talk)

Because this is the first month in those 4 years where the there is a 3rd continuous month of activity (as defined). -- 08:50, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Ho I see. In fact 6 months, considering February where User:Kinew1975 did 10 edits, but still grey out Lol. Thank you MF-W, we hope wp-atj will be considered soon. Best regards, Benoit Rochon (talk) 02:41, 1 June 2017 (UTC) Reply

And, for what it's worth, excluding one month where the #3 contributor had 9 edits (which isn't 10, I'll grant), it goes all the way back to October. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:42, 2 June 2017 (UTC) Reply

Wikimania 2017 Montreal, submission accepted:‎ Indigenous Knowledge on Wikipedia: Lessons Learned from the Project Wikipetia Atikamekw Nehiromowin. Benoit Rochon (talk) 14:35, 4 June 2017 (UTC) Reply

Amazing work. Would be great to see the Jun 21st deadline meet. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 01:39, 5 June 2017 (UTC) Reply

I think all requirements are met, so what are the next steps? Thank you, Amqui (talk) 15:34, 5 June 2017 (UTC) Reply

LangCom is doing final verifications now. StevenJ81 (talk) 22:24, 5 June 2017 (UTC) Reply

Thank you Amqui (talk) 13:53, 6 June 2017 (UTC) Reply

Tamil wikivoyage has grown big with 232 articles. Please considering launching of Tamil wikivoyage. -- Balajijagadesh (talk) 16:49, 29 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

@Balajijagadesh: In order for a project to be approved, there needs to be a community there that is regularly active and continuing to create new content. See LPP. An "active test project" usually means that a minimum there are at least three editors making at least ten edits per month for at least three months, and continuing onward from those three months until the project is approved and crated. incubator:Wy/ta does not meet those requirements yet. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:26, 29 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

@StevenJ81: Hi.. Thanks for the detailed information. -- Balajijagadesh (talk) 04:51, 30 May 2017 (UTC) Reply

Dear members of WMF Language Committee (Amire80, N-true, Antony D. Green, Bèrto 'd Sèra, Maor X, GerardM, Jon Harald Søby, Klbroome, Arria Belli, MF-Warburg, Evertype, Millosh, Baba Tabita, SPQRobin, Santhosh Thottingal, Satdeep Gill, ZaDiak).

For your huge efforts on language diversity and especially on small language projects I want to present you the Flower of the month .

Best regards, --Holder (talk) 20:01, 2 June 2017 (UTC) Reply