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Latest comment: 16 years ago by Tholly in topic Possible contributors

Previous discussion can be found on the talk page of the draft proposal on Wikinews (See n:WN:RADIO). --Brian McNeil / talk 09:33, 28 April 2008 (UTC) Reply

Possible contributors

Latest comment: 16 years ago 17 comments17 people in discussion

If you are interested in being involved, please sign below.

Required development

Latest comment: 16 years ago 9 comments6 people in discussion

Due to a streaming service using software that the WMF does not currently employ, some development work is required.

Free software exists to serve up the stream (Eg Icecast), and another package, Liquidsoap, can feed content into IceCast, but it is far from user friendly.

Thus, either a MediaWiki extension to drive Liquidsoap is required, or some form of bot that can read a schedule from a wiki and pass it into Liquidsoap. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:46, 28 April 2008 (UTC) Reply

This could easily be achieved (I believe, anyway) by using the python bindings for liquidsoap in conjunction with the pywikipediabot framework - would probably need someone more experienced in Python than me to do it but i've had help from the devs of pywikipediabot before now - you can probably catch them in IRC. --Skenmy 10:47, 28 April 2008 (UTC) Reply
have you spoken with ST47? 62.56.54.110 14:51, 28 April 2008 (UTC) Reply
I'm not sufficiently familiar with python to do this, but when I was using IceS, which is another option than Liquidsoap (which I have not looked at yet) I was able to update the schedule regularly by running a perl script, which looked at the wiki, which had a playlist of an hour's worth of content, loaded that, converted it from user-friendly show names into the data IceS needed (which is just a path name), and downloaded the audio (i.e., from commons). It's also possible to, when loading this content, load copyright data from the page and use that to decide whether to play a nice message beforehand, which would be prerecorded for each contributor/license. An example schedule could be something like this:
  • Wikipedia Weekly episode 20
  • Audio enwiki signpost april 27
and would be set up by the project's admins and reloaded every couple of hours. A script would know how to convert from "Wikipedia Weekly episode 20" to find where WW episodes are stored, download #20, get the license info, and add it to the stream in the appropriate order. ST47 18:42, 28 April 2008 (UTC) Reply

This idea needs a 'test-wiki' ShakespeareFan00 00:30, 29 April 2008 (UTC) Reply

Let's bug brion to make us one. ST47 10:27, 29 April 2008 (UTC) Reply
I'm all for getting Brion involved, but with SUL and Flagged Revisions featuring large on the horizon I think his input may be restricted to giving guidance on how to get this picked up by Google's "Summer of Code" people and an install and run from a wiki radio service developed. Between now and then there is a lot to clear up about how we are going to get this thing started and build momentum. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:36, 30 April 2008 (UTC) Reply

I managed to get icecast to stream a list of media files from my personal wiki useing IceS and a shell script. user:Bawolff 05:08, 11 May 2008 (UTC) Reply

Wild-Assed Content ideas

Latest comment: 16 years ago 12 comments4 people in discussion

It doesn't matter what project you have the most edits on, there's likely some way you can think of packaging some of the material you've created or worked on in an audio format. Most of the low-hanging fruit is already listed for each project on the content page, but there's always new ways content can be generated that could be broadcast. Have an interest in the really strange? Start recording your own "Weird of Wikipedia" series as usable content.

A very significant section of the work involved in making this project take off does not involve sitting behind a microphone. Anyone who has given a presentation more than five minutes in length will tell you, writing material to be read, or to be read out loud, are two entirely different processes. We need script writers as well as the dulcet tones of our readers and announcers. We need wizard wordsmiths who can come up with taglines and intros for regular segments that people will quickly remember; and, although an audio medium, we need people who understand iconic aspects of any endeavour like this. There will be certain people are too heavily accented to be doing the audio work, and there will be those we'd want to do everything. With one of the comparisons of my project outline being an online version of BBC Radio 4 I think we'll be looking for the people closest to "BBC English" or, from the other side of the pond, "CNN English". For a great number of people who have English as a second or third language there are sounds they cannot pronounce because they have no equivalent in their native tongue.

So based on some people potentially being excluded from being 'on air', one of the things I'd like to see with WN:RADIO is credit above and beyond the CC-BY we work to on Wikinews. This will not always be possible, but if some team of people has done a 30 minute segment on a composer using his WP article and his most well-known works I think that as many people as possible should get mentioned in the streaming app's ticker. (Aside, is there a standard term for this?) --Brian McNeil / talk 13:05, 30 April 2008 (UTC) Reply

Crazy suggestions

If you have any crazy content suggestions list them below. Ideally things where you can do a significant part of the work without much help, but if you think you've hit upon a sure-fire winner list that too. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:07, 30 April 2008 (UTC) Reply

Former Wikicast Ideas

  • 'Netural Zone' - Points of View/Right to Reply/Mediawtahc type programme.
  • 'World Trade Bulletin' - Business news , and prices assuming there are free sources for the data
  • "S'unosi" - Sciecne and Technology issues (Possible sources are Wikipedia/Wikiversity)
  • "Whitehall1313" - Radio Drama in the Twilight Zone vien - Possibly out of scope for this project
  • "The Lincolnshire Poacher" - Radio Drama - Possibly out of scope for this project
  • "This week in Wiki" - Redundnat as WikipediaWeekly/NotTheWikipediaWeekly covers this
  • "On the Day" - A list of dates or connnections about the current, or forthcoming dates...
  • "Signpost" - A modifed version of the signpost for Radio..
  • "This Week in Amatuear Radio" - External item- was being considered but currently the external source concerned has incompatible licensing.
  • "Engineering Bulletins" - Technical stuff relating to streaming, Vorbis, audio recording.
  • Test Transmission material -( See Commons category)
  • "The Arabian Nights" - Readings from this work, Ideally requires someone famaliar with arab culture, and a good oral storyteller...
  • "The Desk" - A Selection of questions from the Wikipedia Reference Desk, might need filterinf in respect of broadcast guidelines though
  • "Debate" - The proposal came out of suggestion to record and air semi-live debates held at certian

locations ( for example the Cambridge or Oxford Unions.) assuming the availabilty and acceptance of specfic speakers.

  • A News digest for the ANZAC region,
  • "How to wreck a House!" - The title was a partial joke, as the intention was to provide with the assistance of a Wikibooks D-I-Y guide, helpful hint on how to do some work properly.
  • Weather Forecasts - Problem is source data, timeliness and scripts...
  • "Your Life.." - A programme covering social issues (possiblity for Wikiversity involvment),

topics under consideration were

    • "Your life.. Up in smoke.." - On smoking issues.
    • "Your life.. At breaking point.." - On stress.
    • "Your life.. off the waggon.." - On alcohol.
    • "Your life.. In the minority.." - On ethnicity and related issues.
    • "Your life.. On public view.." - Data Protection & Privacy issues.
  • "Over the Wire.." - Historical documentary about notable 'escapes'..
  • "A Walk in..."

ShakespeareFan00 15:04, 30 April 2008 (UTC) Reply

ConMan's Crazy Contribution

  • Kind of based on ShakespeareFan00's list above - some audio documentaries. Somewhere between Wikipedia (since it will be on a single topic or group of related topics) and Wikinews (because of the allowance for some original reporting in the form of interviews and the like).
  • How many Wikinews reporters have recorded interviews? I know David Shankbone's got a fair few, and if they're of a decent quality it would be worth playing a few of them as special features.
  • Surely there are a few audio recordings now in the public domain, that perhaps other broadcasters might have missed? I'm thinking 70-year-old radio plays and comedy acts, and maybe some pre-radio recordings as well. Some of the external links in w:Old-time radio and w:Audio theatre might prove fruitful.

Confusing Manifestation 04:25, 1 May 2008 (UTC) Reply

The issue with Old Time Radio, is the 95 year copyright term, I don't honestly think there was

broadcast radio 100 years ago... ShakespeareFan00 10:13, 1 May 2008 (UTC) Reply

Seriously 95 years? How did they score that? Still, I'm pretty sure Thomas Edison's recording of "Mary Had a Little Lamb" is out of copyright now, right? ;) Confusing Manifestation 13:07, 1 May 2008 (UTC) Reply
In respect of the US the last Copyright Extension Act IIRC, it made "works for hire" which a lot of OTR would be, have a 95 year term.. In respect of UK works, it could be longer given that (C) in joint works lasts the lifetime of the longest surviving contributor + 70 years.. 62.56.117.55 16:32, 1 May 2008 (UTC) Reply
Actually, if I'm reading w:Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988#Duration of copyright correctly, sound recordings and broadcasts last a straight 70 years in the UK. Of course if it's a recording of a piece of music, then the composition itself is life+70, but if it were a spoken word recording, or a recording of a piece already in the public domain, it looks like anything from before 1938 is now fair game (in UK law, at least, and only to my non-legally-trained eyes). Confusing Manifestation 00:51, 2 May 2008 (UTC) Reply
Well, It's the US 95 year term that matters, as the US doesn't recognise shorter term, and

its where the WMF servers are.. ShakespeareFan00 10:55, 2 May 2008 (UTC) Reply

Yep. Shame. Of course, the 95 years just happens to cover all existing broadcast radio (which started around 90 years ago). What about stuff that had fallen into public domain before the Copyright Extension Act (i.e. stuff between about 1918 and 1923)? And what about 100-year-old phonographs? Confusing Manifestation 01:17, 5 May 2008 (UTC) Reply
Public domain phonographs, hmm... Depends on the work they contain..62.56.117.55 12:19, 5 May 2008 (UTC) Reply
In fact, the Australian National Film and Sound Archive would appear to have a number of recordings from the turn of the 20th century, which by my understanding would be PD in most countries. Some of them have even been made available in wav/mp3 formats, so it would appear to be possible to use a few of those. Confusing Manifestation 01:35, 5 May 2008 (UTC) Reply

In the USA sound recording before 1973? are under state law are varies by state. Zginder

Is this legal?

Latest comment: 16 years ago 5 comments5 people in discussion

Didn't this come up on the foundation-l mailing list and was informed that the GFDL, does not allow for public proforance? Zginder

Enquiries into that are being made. --Brian McNeil / talk 06:16, 6 May 2008 (UTC) Reply
Does OGG Vorbis allow for embedded license text? If so there maybe some 'creative' ways of

meeting GFDL requirments, according to someone deeply involved in the 'free' software world. 62.56.117.55 15:42, 6 May 2008 (UTC) Reply

Where does it state that we are broadcasting under GFDL? I was under the impression that this would be CC-BY? --Skenmy 16:30, 6 May 2008 (UTC) Reply
CC-BY would only work for Wikinews and nothing else. Zginder
Not necessarily. The print edition includes some limited gfdl content and we have other licensed images. The main news stuff would have to be cc-by I think, but theres nothing stopping us from using some wikipedia content as while (minus the gfdl and broadcast thing). (and ogg allows some meta data. thats what the man page of ffmpeg2theora suggests anyways, as well the program exiftool can read ogg meta data supposedly). 24.65.78.101 20:13, 9 May 2008 (UTC) Reply

(outdenting) Hmm... IANAL, but metadata sounds promising. Xiph.org has some documentation available at http://www.xiph.org/vorbis/doc/v-comment.html, and they specifically suggest "license" as a comment field. We may not have enough space to cram the entire GFDL in, but there's plenty of room to say "Licensed under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, available at blahblahblah". Additionally, the suggested field names include both "artist" and "performer"; following their suggestions we could link "artist" to the article history and use "performer" to indicate the person or persons reading the GFDL'd text. Finally, the suggested "organization" field would be a good place to plug the relevant project.

Of course, I'd want to run this by Mike Godwin first, but I do like the way this is shaping up. - jredmond 03:36, 14 May 2008 (UTC) Reply

Creative Commons collaboration

Latest comment: 16 years ago 2 comments2 people in discussion

Mirko Linder of CC Sweden got in touch with me, apparently they're already well on the way to getting something up and running. A mailing list has been started, go here to subscribe. --Brian McNeil / talk 06:16, 6 May 2008 (UTC) Reply

This is now operational - http://www.justfm.org/about/ 62.56.89.38 11:40, 30 June 2008 (UTC) Reply

Wikispecies

Latest comment: 16 years ago 1 comment1 person in discussion

There isn't much point in having a "today's animal". The whole project is taxonomic; of little interest to almost anyone but taxonomists. No-one wants to here a read-out of a species' genus, order, family etc. etc.. ----Anonymous Dissident Talk 11:17, 31 May 2008 (UTC) Reply

Protocol

Latest comment: 16 years ago 2 comments1 person in discussion

It says "The service would be provided via a mms:// URL." and links to an article about a proprietary protocol. My /etc/services has no "mms" mentions, but does have "rtsp", which is apparently used as a protocol specification in URLs. Will it work to replace the "mms"? --AVRS 20:48, 12 August 2008 (UTC) Reply

Also, what about the other, HTTP-based, protocol supported by Icecast? Is it worse, or less compatible, or what? --AVRS 20:51, 12 August 2008 (UTC) Reply

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