Tech: Difference between revisions

What is the name of the main tab? The one for "Page", "Book", "Policy", "Template" ect. The tab to the main err... Not the talk page, the other one. Also, what is the "view on meta" tab id? Thanks. L10nM4st3r (talk) 11:15, 6 July 2022 (UTC) Reply

@L10nM4st3r If you're looking for the system-names (like MediaWiki:nstab-user), you can use the mw:qqx trick (TLDR: put ?uselang=qqx at the end of the URL). If you're looking for the HTML ID's, you can use F12 to open the developer-toolbar to see them. Hope that helps. Quiddity (talk) 16:56, 6 July 2022 (UTC) Reply

F12 huh. Where would I find that on a touch screen device? Also, the wikimedia foundation's most secret secret is out!

Jokes aside, I don't quite understand what you mean. I want it for making the tabs smaller at User:L10nM4st3r/global.css. L10nM4st3r (talk) 17:08, 6 July 2022 (UTC) Reply

Ah, right, mobile, sorry. For CSS purposes, the tab IDs seem to be most clearly listed at mw:Manual:Remove_Tabs, plus #ca-view-foreign for "view on meta". Quiddity (talk) 18:44, 6 July 2022 (UTC) Reply

The IDs are also present in the source code. If you’re on Android, you can for example download Termux and use curl https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech | less—it’s quite inconvenient, and it’s probably an overkill to install Termux just for this purpose, but it lets you find out the IDs on your own. (Hint: the tabs are near the top of the source code on Vector 2022, but around the end on legacy Vector.) —Tacsipacsi (talk) 14:25, 7 July 2022 (UTC) Reply

I can't, sorry. Can somebody answer my "helpme" on my talkpage? I have no idea what's going on. (and it certainly wouldn't be any of the three accounts of a troll I probably annoyed - I checked their contribs) L10nM4st3r (talk) 15:24, 7 July 2022 (UTC) Reply

What is the id for the search bar in monobook? Thanks in advance. ^{-- L10nM4st3r} / _{ROAR at me!} 19:17, 24 July 2022 (UTC) Reply

@L10nM4st3r: Go to https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tech&useskin=monobook , right-click on the search bar and select "Inspect (element)" in your web browser, and find out. :) --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 19:57, 24 July 2022 (UTC) Reply

I feel like I havet mentioned this enough. Maybe I should put it in my signature or something. I can't "inspect elements" on a touch screen device. I'll put it on my userpage too, but I'm a bit tired right now. Tired of coming up with new ways to say that I have "bad software" / "mobile device" ^{-- L10nM4st3r} / _{ROAR at me!} 21:05, 24 July 2022 (UTC) Reply

It looks like this:

<div role="search" class="portlet" id="p-search">
	<h3 id="p-search-label" ><label for="searchInput">Search</label></h3>
	<div class="pBody" id="searchBody">
		<form action="/w/index.php" id="searchform">
			<input type="hidden" value="Special:Search" name="title">
			<input type="search" name="search" placeholder="Search Meta" aria-label="Search Meta" autocapitalize="sentences" title="Search Meta [f]" accesskey="f" id="searchInput"/>
			<input type="submit" name="go" value="Go" title="Go to a page with this exact name if it exists" class="searchButton" id="searchButton"/>
			<input type="submit" name="fulltext" value="Search" title="Search the pages for this text" class="searchButton mw-fallbackSearchButton" id="mw-searchButton"/>
		</form>
	</div>
</div>

That’s seven different IDs, use whichever you need. —Tacsipacsi (talk) 22:06, 24 July 2022 (UTC) Reply

Sorry. How can I move all the tabs downward? Moving them, using "position:absolute" and "position:fixed" don't work, and naming every individual tab is tiring. There are what, 15 tabs +500 added by scripts!? (I need it as I'm moving the search bar above the tabs) ^{-- L10nM4st3r} / _{ROAR at me!} 08:20, 25 July 2022 (UTC) Reply

nvm, I got it. div#p-cactions ^{-- L10nM4st3r} / _{ROAR at me!} 13:56, 25 July 2022 (UTC) Reply

How do I hide something unless I'm viewing a page diff? I assume with ":not()", but what am I checking? Thanks. ^{-- L10nM4st3r} / _{ROAR at me!} 15:13, 25 July 2022 (UTC) Reply

It looks like you generally can’t do that with pure CSS—the diff’s <body> has an action-view class, just like non-diff page views. You can only style (including hiding/showing) things that are part of the diff view (the diff itself and the ruler and heading just below it), or you can use JavaScript to determine whether it’s a diff view (e.g. mw.util.getParamValue('diff')!==null) and then add a custom class accordingly, which you can then use to add styles with CSS. —Tacsipacsi (talk) 21:02, 25 July 2022 (UTC) Reply

@Tacsipacsi: Sadly, JavaScript I write won't run. Neither will twinkle scripts I've enabled in preferences. I am convinced that that is to do with my hardware/software. I'll remember this though, for when I get an upgrade. Thanks for the help though! (yes it is enabled, or I couldn't log in) ^{-- L10nM4st3r} / _{ROAR at me!} 07:22, 26 July 2022 (UTC) Reply

Now how can I check page name, or more specifically, do some styling on certain pages (when viewing them only) and certain wikis? Thanks again. Doing me wonders. ^{-- L10nM4st3r} / _{ROAR at me!} 13:04, 19 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

Check generic JavaScript documentation. Things like window.location.href or window.location.pathname exist. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 14:24, 19 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

Can't use java scriptTM ^{-- L10nM4st3r} / _{ROAR at me!} 15:28, 19 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

@L10nM4st3r: Why? --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 15:54, 19 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

I guess a device limitation. Twinkle and other popular scripts dont work on my device either, despite enabling them in preferences, so it's not a problem I can solve. ^{-- L10nM4st3r} / _{ROAR at me!} 16:15, 19 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

@L10nM4st3r: What exactly makes you think so? What device, which browser and browser version? --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 16:24, 19 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

Amazon kindle, default web browser, latest version. I'll look further for actual names. ^{-- L10nM4st3r} / _{ROAR at me!} 18:43, 19 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

10th gen, firmware version 5.14.3.0.1 (no idea what that even means) ^{-- L10nM4st3r} / _{ROAR at me!} 18:50, 19 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

css files do work though, exept for importing images or other css files with url(). ^{-- L10nM4st3r} / _{ROAR at me!} 18:53, 19 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

What is the ID for the main tab in the file namespace? In monobook? It's not #ca-nstab-file or #ca-nstab-media. ^{-- L10nM4st3r} / _{ROAR at me!} 09:26, 22 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

ca-nstab-image. This is not skin dependent. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 10:02, 22 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

Hello,

I need to read data from previously saved pages on wiki.

Is there any APİ or service to read data from wiki sending another system?

We try to copy manually each data when we need, therefore it is so important for me to find easy way.

Please give me information about this problem. Sifapala (talk) 08:48, 3 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

Hi there,

We use mediawiki to order our cooking recipes since 2019. I upgraded recently from mediawiki 1.35.1 to 1.37.4. Since then the Popups (using https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Popups – (2c2c6d3) 07:04, 26. Jul. 2022) of some pages are displayed. For many Pages I get a popup window which gives the error message "Es gab ein Problem bei der Anzeige dieser Vorschau", which basically says: "There was a problem displaying this preview".

Any ideas? 964C2 (talk) 10:54, 3 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

@964C2: Hi, this is a place to talk about tech related to a Wikimedia wiki. For general MediaWiki support, see mw:Communication. Thanks, --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 08:07, 9 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

here

Please explain how to

1. Combine multiple tables, without duplicate values
2. Turn the combined table to comma seperated text.

Thank you. ^{-- L10nM4st3r} / _{ROAR at me!} 09:12, 5 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

Sorry, but it isn't clear from that module what tables (multiple) you want to combine. You may want to take a look at mw:Module:TableTools, which contains utility functions for manipulating tables.

To turn a table to comma separated text, do table.concat(values, ', ') or mw.text.listToText(values). --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 10:38, 5 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

I havent finished making it. I want to combine the table with another table, which are both output of the get_matchup function. But I will check out the link. ^{-- L10nM4st3r} / _{ROAR at me!} 15:27, 5 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

I've evolved (lol) the script. Now, how can I remove values from out1 and out2 if they exist in both (if a pokémon's types have matching weaknesses and resistancess, the matching ones cancel each other out, so should not be shown). ^{-- L10nM4st3r} / _{ROAR at me!} 16:36, 5 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

I think I have it:

for every item in out1:
 for every item in out2:
 if both match, remove

Go backwards or read forwards and remove from an index, I dunno. I'll do the latter. ^{-- L10nM4st3r} / _{ROAR at me!} 17:48, 5 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

Generally, removing values from tables (sequential arrays) is more complicated. I can think of some ways how to proceed:

1. Create a fresh empty array and populate it only with the chosen values from the original array. (There is some boring theory around this: w:Filter (higher-order function).)
2. Use "index pattern" - create a table with values of the original array as keys and a constant as values. By coincidence, this is what TableTools.listToSet does. Then, the keys can be unset using set[key] = nil.

You can combine these approaches and use the "index array" for quickly determining if the value is present in the other array when looping over it. I can demonstrate all this if it helps you. --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 18:16, 5 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

I have a simpler method that works in my case: set the value to something like "remove". Then ignore it when creating the output. ^{-- L10nM4st3r} / _{ROAR at me!} 19:01, 6 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

As the result of this action, I have received lot's of cross wiki notifications. (Now showing 99+) is there any easier way to mark all read of them? (i.e. in one click) —MdsShakil (talk) 08:12, 9 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

@MdsShakil: Buttons on Special:Notifications are your best bet. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 08:22, 9 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

@AKlapper (WMF) But here, each wiki has to be selected separately and marked. —MdsShakil (talk) 09:41, 9 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

@MdsShakil I believe you can mark 25 at a time as read from the popout panel (screenshot), or 1 entire wiki at a time from Special:Notifications (using the "Cog" icon). There isn't any way to do more than that, unfortunately, as far as I know. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 16:43, 9 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

I run a bot to update geodata tags on enwiki that works by parsing enwiki database dumps. At the moment, we have two dumps of enwiki per month; one is set off on the 1st of the month, and the other is set off on the 20th. This means that we have a dump interval of alternating periods of (roughly) 10 and 20 days, meaning that one bot run does roughly twice the work of the other, and the maximum lag between data change and bot action is about 20 days.

Would it be possible to set the second dump off on the 15th (or perhaps 16th) of each month instead of the 20th, so that the dump intervals are a bit more uniform? The Anome (talk) 21:17, 15 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

I turned this question into a ticket at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T315263 Mutante (talk) 21:26, 15 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

Hello again, let me forward the full response we got on the Phabricator ticket. I hope this is helpful, The Anome. Mutante (talk) 20:59, 16 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

The first sql/xml dumps run (1st of every month) is a full run, this means it contains all historical data and takes longer to dump. Currently we still have the wikidata dumps ongoing, and expect it to complete tomorrow. This gives us a margin of a few days in case there are errors causing us to delay or rerun some parts.
The second run starts on the 20th and is a partial run (current revision only) which is why it finishes well before the end of the month, giving us again a few days in case we need to troubleshoot or rerun some parts.
While the specific wiki, enwiki, does complete well before the 15th, splitting up the wikis so that some are dumped on a 1st and 15th schedule and some are dumped on a 1st and 20th schedule would add more complexity than we want to manage.
I hope this helps to answer your questions, and we would be happy to respond if you need further information.
Thank you

Thank you. That all makes sense. The Anome (talk) 08:10, 17 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

Great. So they are asking if they can close that ticket on their side now. I'll say yes but you can always leave your own comments on the ticket as well. Your existing wiki user should also work as login there. Mutante (talk) 00:36, 19 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

Hello I have been trying to report this and there is a lack of places to do so. A link that should have been an ordinary score link led me to an obvious virus page. It was the third score listed under Preces and Responses (William Smith) - ChoralWiki (cpdl.org) Preces and Responses (William Smith) - ChoralWiki (cpdl.org) and I found it very scary. I'm trying to get the actual url to copy here but can't seem to make that happen. Could you please investigate. Thanks! Aditi 2607:FEA8:BD46:9700:8DCE:8120:94A6:A94 01:19, 16 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

Hi, you seem to refer to this article [1]. Please note, that CPDL is not managed by the Wikimedia Foundation, so there is nothing we can do about it. I recommend contacting one of the CPDL administrators [2]. This one [3] seems to be very active and can be reached by email. --Johannnes89 (talk) 08:36, 16 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

I don't understand at all what the problem of not enough memory means, so I don't understand what to do next. Please check this ထး page, if possible, I would like to get help to solve this problem, so I'm still not good at using wikis and I still have a lot to learn about using wikis. Current, I am currently working alone on Mon Wiktionary, thanks.--Music writer Dr.Intobesa of Japanese idol NMB48 and BNK48. (talk) 01:01, 27 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

@咽頭べさ: For context, this thread is a continuation of phab:T316094. The problem is that wikt:mnw:ထာမ်ပလိက်:inh not being performant. And it is also broken - see the link. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 03:23, 27 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

@AKlapper (WMF):Yes, I'm not authorized to do anything on Mon Wiktionary, so I can't fix this problem. I think only admins can solve this problem, could you please solve this problem?, thanks.--Music writer Dr.Intobesa of Japanese idol NMB48 and BNK48. (talk) 03:35, 27 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

@咽頭べさ: I am not an "admin", and I don't see why you cannot edit? If you think you cannot edit, please explain what exactly makes you think that you cannot edit. Thanks, --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 03:38, 27 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

@AKlapper (WMF):Yes, my guess is that have to check MediaWiki to solve this problem, I am not authorized to edit MediaWiki. MediaWiki still has a lot to Mon translate, I wanted to edit some things in MediaWiki, but I didn't have permission to do anything. thanks.--Music writer Dr.Intobesa of Japanese idol NMB48 and BNK48. (talk) 05:43, 27 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

@咽頭べさ: Hi, please be more specific to avoid misunderstandings. What does "check MediaWiki" mean? Why do you think you are "not authorized to edit MediaWiki"? Please always provide full links and clear steps what does happen. This is about editing wikt:mnw:ထာမ်ပလိက်:inh and wikt:mnw:မဝ်ဂျူ:etymology/templates, not about editing MediaWiki. This is not about translating. If there are problems with translating, please start a separate thread and explain what exactly the problems are (including full steps to reproduce, links, and what does happen after these steps). Thanks, --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 10:24, 27 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

@AKlapper (WMF): hi, the MediaWiki I'm talking about means MediaWiki, which is managed by Template and Module from Wiktionary, See MediaWiki:Transli.js for example, thanks.--Music writer Dr.Intobesa of Japanese idol NMB48 and BNK48. (talk) 12:06, 27 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

@咽頭べさ: I'm afraid that I don't understand what the problem is, and why you think that there is a problem. See my previous comments here. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 12:10, 27 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

@AKlapper (WMF): hi, Check out the two ထး page links (en) https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%80%91%E1%80%B8 (mnw) https://mnw.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%80%91%E1%80%B8 thanks.--Music writer Dr.Intobesa of Japanese idol NMB48 and BNK48. (talk) 12:36, 27 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

@咽頭べさ: See the difference between https://mnw.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=ထာမ်ပလိက်::inherited&action=edit and https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Template:inherited&action=edit . See especially https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3Ainherited&type=revision&diff=65434588&oldid=52395235 . --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 19:09, 27 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

@AKlapper (WMF): Hi friend, I have rarely found the source of the main problem. Actually, the main problem is not Template inherited and Module etymology/templates, only Module languages/datax and Module languages/data3/o. I was able to solve these problems, thank you very much for participating in the discussion.--Music writer Dr.Intobesa of Japanese idol NMB48 and BNK48. (talk) 03:51, 28 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

Why does w:Special:PendingChanges work as a template, but not w:Special:UnreviewedPages? At least on Wikibooks. And is there a way around this? Thanks. ^{-- L10nM4st3r} / _{ROAR at me!} 08:32, 30 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

@L10nM4st3r: Please provide sufficient context, plus references. What does "work as a template" mean exactly? Thanks, --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 17:44, 30 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

@AKlapper (WMF): See b:User:L10nM4st3r/ReviewTool. I want to see the unreviewed pages instead of a link to the special page when used as a template. ^{-- L10nM4st3r} / _{ROAR at me!} 17:51, 30 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

Only a few Special pages can be transcluded. There are partial lists at mw:Transclusion#Special_pages and mw:Help:Special_pages#List_of_special_pages.

I would guess that "Special:UnreviewedPages" cannot be transcluded (at least partially, and perhaps other reasons) because even looking at the page is limited to editors with the "Reviewers" user-group (try opening it whilst logged-out). Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 20:18, 30 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

Why would viewing them as a non-reviewer cause harm? It wouldn't allow an IP to do anything, would it? ^{-- L10nM4st3r} / _{ROAR at me!} 21:05, 30 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

It’s probably less of a concern on English Wikibooks, but on wikis where reviewed versions of pages are shown by default, vandalism is not immediately visible, except if the page hasn’t been reviewed ever (since there’s no reviewed version to show instead of the vandalized one). So unreviewed pages are ideal targets for people looking for a page to vandalize, which is probably the reason why it’s not visible to anyone. (b:Special:PendingChanges, in contrast, is visible even for anons, since that’s not risky.) —Tacsipacsi (talk) 22:30, 30 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

Ahh, that makes sense. I didn't look at it like that. Thanks! ^{-- L10nM4st3r} / _{ROAR at me!} 06:02, 31 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

I copied the code for the Archives template on Hindi Wikiquote from the template on Hindi Wikipedia. It was working fine for the Hindi Wikipedia's community discussion page (header link), but didn't work the same way for the Wikiquote's page (header link). I purged the pages and tried changing the name of the archive page, but nothing worked. I read the Help:Templates page on mediawiki, but couldn't figure out the solution. Kindly suggest some way out. Thanks in advance. सूरजमुखी (talk) 16:58, 30 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

@सूरजमुखी: Hi, please explicitly describe what "doesn't work", what you expected, and what happens instead. Thanks, --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 17:48, 30 August 2022 (UTC) Reply

Is it technically possible that when mass emails are sent inviting people to vote and participate in elections, users without the right to vote will be excluded and not receive such emails? In my personal experience, which happened several times, I found this annoying because the text of the email explicitly mentions the possibility of voting and this causes misunderstanding. IamMM (talk) 07:14, 3 September 2022 (UTC) Reply

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