I'd like to organize a conference call to discuss what people need out of the Zen theme. I haven't been giving this project as much attention as it deserves and I hope to compensate by organizing a Skypecast phone call to hear everyone's needs, philosophies, and try to actually organize this Task Force once and for all to create a solid, bug free (working in IE!!), core-worthy, theme system.
In order to accommodate participants in the US, Europe, and Australia, the conference call will be happening at 6pm New York time on Saturday, May 5th. This works out to 3pm on the US West Coast, 11pm in the UK, midnight for Belgium and Germany, and 8am on Sunday for Australia. Here's a chart with the times across the globe. Please be sure to double check the time for your location: http://tinyurl.com/35hd6x
All of the SkypeCast information can be found here:
https://skypecasts.skype.com/skypecasts/skypecast/detailed.html?id_talk=...
We'll also have a back channel going at #drupal-zen in IRC.
If you plan on participating or you have further suggestions for the call, please post comments here.
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Great Idea
I've added it to my Google calendar; I will be there! I have only played with Zen briefly, so I'm unsure of what the issues are. Maybe a wiki for the meeting might be of some help for the conference? If you create one I will try to add to it as I go more deeply through Zen in preparation for Saturday.
learn one, teach one, do one
I think there must be a
I think there must be a mistake at the date:
Start: 2007年01月01日 18:00
End: 2007年01月01日 20:00
Ugh..
Yes... wrong... fixed now.
-= Jeff Robbins | Lullabot | Drupalize.me =-
In case anyone missed it:
In case anyone missed it: The wiki for the call is here.
-= Jeff Robbins | Lullabot | Drupalize.me =-
Timing...?
Jeff - was glad to see this, until I realised it was on a saturday night. Is there no way we could push this to sunday afternoon instead, a la Dojo? I'd be keen to get involved, but it's pretty much impossible this saturday (holiday weekend in UK).
If not, I'll get my 2 cents in to you beforehand, for consideration.
Web Development in Nottingham, UK by Kineta Systems / Follow me on Twitter! @NikLP
our Australian friends
I wanted to make the call possible for our Australian friends and it seemed like the Dojo time works out to be about 3am on Monday morning. Go ahead and post your 2 cents (or pence if you prefer) and I'll do my best to make a recording of the call available. Then we'll do the next call at a more UK-friendly time.
-= Jeff Robbins | Lullabot | Drupalize.me =-
No worries...
...just that "weekend" thing, you know! ;)
OK I'll stick some stuff here anyway, might as well. Bit confused by the "wiki" page...
Stuff to do to Zen (IMO):
- There is a lot of stuff commented out - maybe some of this should be removed?
- make the main page content first in the page render, for SEO purposes - important, but sadly this adds some more divs and complicates the css somewhat
- simplify the template files - there's a lot of (what potentially could be called) chaff in page.tpl.php, block.tpl.php (maybe others)
I'm thinking that maybe, whilst some of the above remains questionable, perhaps we could offer the theme in a sort of "kit" form. That is, maybe for the less CSS-capable among us, we could offer the layout.css as is, and also another one in a subfolder of "alternatives" that does it the other way. Likewise, we could extend the existing template.php with some theme function overrides (initially commented out) - I think the "dark art" part of theming could be made much simpler by putting the necessary information right in front of people. I'm thinking about more common functions like overriding the block/links rendering, stuff like that.
Similarly, we could offer a "newbie" version which has lots of annotations and comments, and also a "pro" version with all the chaff chopped out. I guess some people might disagree; I'm not talking about different packages, just a subdir(s) with optional extras, so that people can pick & mix (as long as it's properly documented). Thoughts?
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Some pointers
Would like to see the following points addressed:
1- I noticed quite a bit of code duplication. Is there an initiative to create a leaner version of Zen?
2- What is Zen's true north, ie roadmap? It is highly modifiable, but therefore also complex. Is this maintained for it to be spawn-ready?
Hope to be there
I hope to be able to make the conference call, but not sure how much I'll be able to participate. Have some other things going on at the house during that time. It sounds like this is going to be a good and needed discussion.
BryanSD
CMS Report
Bryan Ruby
socPub
Recording?
Can you record the call and log the channel? I was hoping to make it but life intervened and I won't be around. :( Maybe I will get back in time to catch the end of it at least.
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Do I ever do anything that
Do I ever do anything that isn't recorded?
-= Jeff Robbins | Lullabot | Drupalize.me =-
Are we on?
I didn't get online until about 5 minutes after due to some problems with my account. No one is in the room...did the call get canceled?
BryanSD
CMS Report
Bryan Ruby
socPub
I don’t know where Jeff is...
I’m not sure what happened, but SkypeCast now says that the conf call "Finished at May 05, 15:15." I tried connecting several times, but it looked as if it wouldn’t let me join without Jeff being online.
- John
Albin.Net : friendly web development
- John (JohnAlbin)
We have a new URL
https://skypecasts.skype.com/skypecasts/skypecast/detailed.html?id_talk=...
It's working and we're on!
-= Jeff Robbins | Lullabot | Drupalize.me =-