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Indus

Lifer
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There's that narrative building again.

I could gaslight myself into believing I've been wronged by the current administration in many ways to justify the need to both buy into the stock market and take food from food banks.


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Conveniently ignores facts and calling it "narrative building"

Why doesn't this surprise me?

dullard

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I'd like to point out that people taking handouts meant for survival should not invest in the stock market. It doesn't take a certified financial planner to figure this out.
Well please talk to our politicians then. Discussion of privatization of social security comes around every 20 years or so.
1980s: https://www.cato.org/books/social-security-inherent-contradiction
2005: https://www.pewresearch.org/race-an.../ii-president-bushs-social-security-proposal/
2025: https://www.reuters.com/legal/gover...kdoor-privatizing-social-security-2025年07月30日/

More than half of families that take handouts at food banks pay social security. So, privatization of social security would be doing exactly what you are arguing against.
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Indus

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While some more fan fiction is being written about me, I'd like to point out that people taking handouts meant for survival should not invest in the stock market. It doesn't take a certified financial planner to figure this out.

This post is absolute political gold!

And this is exactly what the NAZI's want.. Tell you to FUCK OFF AND DIE as soon you end up with no savings which their inflation by design (tariffs) is supposed to do.

Where as people using a little food aid to stretch their income, responsibly pay off bills which have gone up like car insurance, home insurance, be able to eat and have enough for retirement.. but the Nazi would like those people to be homeless, destitute instead of using what little aid they can get.

And for pointing that out he'd rather snipe me and call me names over it.

LOL.

I'd rather people still not be homeless and use whatever aid is legally allowed.

Fucking Nazis.
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AdamK47

Lifer
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Well please talk to our politicians then. Discussion of privatization of social security comes around every 20 years or so.
2005: https://www.pewresearch.org/race-an.../ii-president-bushs-social-security-proposal/
2025: https://www.reuters.com/legal/gover...kdoor-privatizing-social-security-2025年07月30日/

More than half of families that take handouts at food banks pay social security. So, privatization of social security would be doing exactly what you are arguing against.
Yeah, sure, I'll talk to them.
I'll ask, "Is it okay to get free food from food banks in order to put the money saved into options trading?".

dullard

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Yeah, sure, I'll talk to them.
I'll ask, "Is it okay to get free food from food banks in order to put the money saved into options trading?".
You are free to ask them anything. Will that specific question stop what they are doing to get more government funds for the needy into the stock market though?
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AdamK47

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You are free to ask them anything. Will that specific question stop what they are doing to get more government funds for the needy into the stock market though?
Anyone with a pulse will respond by telling me my priorities out of whack based on the absurdity of the question. Your question has a strong hint of absurdity to it as well. I'm not even sure why you asked it. To use government funds to get the needy into the stock market? Don't you think the needy have other problems they need to solve first?

I get it, you're trying to play devil's advocate, but there really isn't a path that justifies this.

cytg111

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While some more fan fiction is being written about me, I'd like to point out that people taking handouts meant for survival should not invest in the stock market. It doesn't take a certified financial planner to figure this out.
- You could argue that both ways. Morality. Why is it always in the poor to have good morals? It sure as f looks like the amount of f's given is inversely proportional to peoples income.
America has chosen to freebase high grade capitalism as it's guiding principle for how to navigate existence, it makes sense to hit on *all* the levers available to you in order to pull on those bootstraps. Dont you think?

AdamK47

Lifer
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- You could argue that both ways. Morality. Why is it always in the poor to have good morals? It sure as f looks like the amount of f's given is inversely proportional to peoples income.
America has chosen to freebase high grade capitalism as it's guiding principle for how to navigate existence, it makes sense to hit on *all* the levers available to you in order to pull on those bootstraps. Dont you think?
There is a strong resistance to change when an easy lifestyle can indefinitely be maintained through social services. Services that should be designed with enough deterrent to those fully capable of providing for themselves. To force people to take part in the system this country is built on.

It should never get to the point where the utilization of them allows for buying a bunch of junk off Amazon or to get into options trading.

cytg111

Lifer
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There is a strong resistance to change when an easy lifestyle can indefinitely be maintained through social services. Services that should be designed with enough deterrent to those fully capable of providing for themselves. To force people to take part in the system this country is built on.

It should never get to the point where the utilization of them allows for buying a bunch of junk off Amazon or to get into options trading.
All good points, that I dont think flies in the face of the general point I was making.

If you are trying to get ahead, but working two jobs and pay check to pay check, and a food bank is that little something that creates a margin where you can set just a little bit off to the side, in the bank, a little nest, a little something... Then can you really blame them? One could easily argue that the food banks are exactly for them.

How far down in the mud do you have to be to qualify for assistance in your opinion?

Look to Scandinavia, why dont we have endless lines of people on welfare? According to "American math" no one here should feel motivated to work, cause handouts are everywhere.
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Indus

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LOL he's just making an excuse to protect his NAZI FRIENDS AND THE FUCKING BILLIONAIRES!

Who's the one who's lifestyle is maintained through social services? They are.

Elon Musk's businesses have received at least 38ドル billion in government contracts, loans, subsidies, and tax credits.

And he's mad over a few cans of soup? LOL!

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Guess what most peoples would never go to the food bank if our salaries had kept up with inflation:

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Indus

Lifer
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And guess what you dumb Nazi fuck

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Billionaires can write off the entire cost of a private jet in the first year of ownership for qualifying business jets due to a 2025 tax law that reinstated 100% bonus depreciation.

Meanwhile he does a good job ignoring 36% of every dollar you earn goes to support them but is making an issue of 0.000000000000001% of it where some people got soup cans!

Red Squirrel

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Same here in Canada. Although I've always been against the luxery tax, rather than yet another tax, how about just enforce existing taxes on the rich. Make them pay the same percent that we pay.

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AdamK47

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And guess what you dumb Nazi fuck

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Billionaires can write off the entire cost of a private jet in the first year of ownership for qualifying business jets due to a 2025 tax law that reinstated 100% bonus depreciation.

Meanwhile he does a good job ignoring 36% of every dollar you earn goes to support them but is making an issue of 0.000000000000001% of it where some people got soup cans!
Reductio ad Hitlerum.

Living a life in a protective bubble void of opposing viewpoints gets you in this position. You crave the coddling.

AdamK47

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I know this forum has reduced and boiled off many members. What is left is a burnt crusty pan that should have been discarded long ago.

Despite that, I will not be scared away by the predominate far left folks still wandering the wasteland.

I will call out the bullshit.

Indus

Lifer
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The only bullshit is you being tolerated to spew hate towards people who have been squeezed to the maxed financially to support people at the top like your Nazi god Elon.

Even people who were hardcore conservatives here are wisening up to the fact that what we have here is "socialism for the rich" where everyone else get taxed at 36-40% where as the nazi overlords get taxed 0%.

And if normal people earning less than 100k a year or even 200k a year are feeling squeezed to the max.. they shouldn't have to deal with:

1. insane tax rates
2. insane tariffs (which are taxes)
3. scammers who prey on them with crypto/ ponzi schemes

Spending 50ドル on a stock should not be a federal crime.. if it hopefully turns into 1000ドル if it 20x so they can have some additional money in retirement.

But here you are defending the administration that pardons the scammers and puts taxes/ tariffs on people and are sniping at people who just want some free soup so they can make their rent payments or car insurance payments so they can still get to work.

In other words you're the one doing the brownshirt work for Nazi's like Elon who calls us the parasite class and Elon is a Nazi.

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What do you call someone who willingly brownshirts for the Nazis? A Nazi!

AdamK47

Lifer
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Again, making up shit about what I think or who I support in order to build a fictional narrative about me.

Do you do this to everyone you argue with?

Let Felix have his thread back. There is no more reason to harp on your flawed decisions.

Red Squirrel

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The word nazi has pretty much lost it's meaning these days as it seems to just be used for "someone I don't agree with". Same with racist and misogynist and similar words. Trudeau called people that if they did not get vaccinated for covid so I think it set the stage for demonizing people the left don't agree with by using very extreme terms. I don't really agree with the idea of using the food bank if you can afford to buy your own food...But that doesn't really make you a nazi either lol. Taking canned food home is not the same as (or being ok with) killing millions of people. But yeah, kinda off topic at this point lol.

Indus

Lifer
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The word nazi has pretty much lost it's meaning these days as it seems to just be used for "someone I don't agree with". Same with racist and misogynist and similar words. Trudeau called people that if they did not get vaccinated for covid so I think it set the stage for demonizing people the left don't agree with by using very extreme terms. I don't really agree with the idea of using the food bank if you can afford to buy your own food...But that doesn't really make you a nazi either lol. Taking canned food home is not the same as (or being ok with) killing millions of people. But yeah, kinda off topic at this point lol.

You might not agree with it but when in 2008 I got laid off, I had to use food banks and unemployment while not depleting my savings because I actually used those savings to travel to another city where I landed a new job. I was still able to stay on my feet. Actually posted a good bit about it on this forum but many might have forgotten.

That's the difference between good decisions and bad decisions.. I understand staying out of homelessness is easier than getting out of homelessness when you're already there. Then it's a massive undertaking.

Also I understand I won't be able to make money forever so I have to save up enough now. These tariffs are really hurting and even basic stuff like cooking oil costs a whole lot more.

But according to him I should have made a decision that left me without savings and then dependent completely at the mercy of the government or other people. So fuck him, and fuck the Nazi cloud that calls us parasites that he rolled in on!
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FelixDeCat

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It would be nice if could detune the attacks against each other. Maybe if @Indus cannot get along with @AdamK47 you should probably put each other on ignore. There are probably less than 10 people left so please dont chase people away despite how much you dislike their point of view.

@ponyo was chased away because he was among the richer people around here and shared his life but some hated him because he had a few dollars and was attacked for it and also launching his own tirades elsewhere. He had enough one day of people ganging up on him and never came back. We were both constructively critical of each other and we butted heads but his ideas made money, and I like ideas that make money ... or save it! I definitely miss his input here. :(

Anyone who knows my 27 year history knows I can go off the rails too but I know thats a turn off in this thread since people just want investing ideas and opinions about the market here not over the top personal attacks or too sharp political commentary.

(Ive spent about two hours composing this, reliving my life on the internet. All the things I was going to say then redacted then added back, then removed. I think I will "post reply" now. ;) )

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