Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Severin Sisters

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was KEEP (could have been no consensus which defaults to 'keep' anyway. Keep votes appeared to examine material in more detail. Would be safer if better sourced. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:48, 8 August 2008 (UTC) [reply ]

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Contested prod. Non-notable band per notability of musicans criteria. Katr67 (talk) 01:37, 31 July 2008 (UTC) [reply ]

• (削除) A7 Doesn't even assert notability. So tagged. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells• Otter chirps • HELP!)} 01:41, 31 July 2008 (UTC) (削除ここまで)[reply ]
• Delete Fails WP:BAND in every way. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells• Otter chirps • HELP!)} 18:43, 31 July 2008 (UTC) [reply ]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells• Otter chirps • HELP!)} 01:41, 31 July 2008 (UTC) [reply ]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Oregon-related deletion discussions. —Katr67 (talk) 01:42, 31 July 2008 (UTC) [reply ]
• Delete- no convincing assertion of notability. Reyk _YO! 04:11, 31 July 2008 (UTC) [reply ]
• Delete No reliable sources stated or notability established. Artene50 (talk) 06:42, 31 July 2008 (UTC) [reply ]
• (削除) Very weak delete despite the apparent lack of effort to find any sources by anyone so far. (削除ここまで) I found one somewhat significant article here, and a dozen or so articles of less significant turn up in Google News, but it doesn't give us enough to write a decent-length verifiable stub. When in doubt I lean to delete articles vulnerable to promotion and coi. Skomorokh 12:49, 31 July 2008 (UTC) [reply ]

• Comment I looked for sources and didn't find any that established notability per WP:BAND--the Gazette-Times article is pretty much a rewrite of their website and does nothing to establish notability. Hence the afd. AGF and all that. Katr67 (talk) 13:18, 31 July 2008 (UTC) [reply ]

• Thanks, it's helpful to mention that in the nomination to give subsequent commenters some context. I did AGF in saying there was no apparent research done. Thanks for your dedication and diligence, Skomorokh 13:34, 31 July 2008 (UTC) [reply ]

• You're welcome. Thanks for the input--I don't tend to nominate things lightly and feel my contribs speak for themselves, but I'll be sure I mention any research I've done next time I nom something. I did really want these folks to be notable... Maybe in a couple of years. If there is ever a need for an article on the state banjo championships, they might be worthy of a mention there... Katr67 (talk) 16:53, 31 July 2008 (UTC) [reply ]

• • Change to weak keep per Paul Erik below. Skomorokh 10:40, 1 August 2008 (UTC) [reply ]
• In my library database of news articles, "Severin Sisters" actually gets over 30 hits. Unfortunately, most of them are simply listings of their performances (they've done a fair bit of touring around Oregon and nearby states). Still, I was able to add a little to the article, enough for me to say weak keep under WP:MUSIC criterion #1. Paul Erik ^{(talk) (contribs)} 05:07, 1 August 2008 (UTC) [reply ]

Great work Paul! Is there any chance you could include a relevant quote in the offline references? It would go towards indication the significance of the coverage. Danke, Skomorokh 10:40, 1 August 2008 (UTC) [reply ]

The article by D. Velasco includes: "The Severin Sisters, touring the Northwest since 2001, are known for their exceptional instrumental ability." "They play American roots music and a bit of bluegrass. Their show... is sure to draw a large crowd." Paul Erik ^{(talk) (contribs)} 11:08, 1 August 2008 (UTC) [reply ]

An example of an article I did not include, as I considered it a trivial mention was from The Oregonian , "Picks of the Week", 2007年10月02日, p. FD5—as one of the "picks", a charity benefit at a vineyard, it notes that there is "entertainment by the Severin Sisters". Another example from The Oregonian, "Putting a Spotlight on Women in Music", 2003年08月01日, p. 38: "An outgrowth of the increasingly popular Daisychain Music Fair, O Sister also shows off the city's impressive roster of bluegrass and roots music. Gender aside, the two-day event showcases a deep talent pool that includes such artists as Stephanie Schneiderman, the Flat Mountain Girls, Petty Cash, the Severin Sisters, Dee Settlemier and Nann Alleman, and Little Sue." Paul Erik ^{(talk) (contribs)} 11:18, 1 August 2008 (UTC) [reply ]

• Delete per WP:BAND. Minor local coverage does not equal significant coverage. --Ave Caesar (talk) 12:28, 1 August 2008 (UTC) [reply ]
  • Your point is well taken. Keep in mind, though, that there is nothing in the notability guidelines that discourages the use of local media to help to establish notability. Paul Erik ^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:20, 2 August 2008 (UTC) [reply ]

That's correct, but it is an indicator of highly limited coverage as opposed to significant coverage which makes me question if the band is necessarily encyclopedic. --Ave Caesar (talk) 04:07, 2 August 2008 (UTC) [reply ]

• Keep per Paul Erik. (削除) Has toured nationally, so doesn't fail WP:MUSIC (criterion 4). (削除ここまで) Bands don't have to be well-known internationally to warrant a Wikipedia article. --PeaceNT (talk) 02:24, 6 August 2008 (UTC) [reply ]

• Comment As of this moment, criterion 4 reads: "Has received non-trivial coverage in a reliable source of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country." So it's not about whether or not they have toured nationally it's about whether or not their national tour has received non-trival coverage in a reliable source. And I see no evidence of a national tour, just a regional one. Katr67 (talk) 03:03, 6 August 2008 (UTC) [reply ]

Sorry, I only looked at the article where it mentions festivals on "national levels", didn't notice that the ref at the end of the line was referring to another sentence. Struck that, changed to weak keep, as I think an article with all this improvement in just a few days does have potential. Barely pass WP:MUSIC criterion 1. --PeaceNT (talk) 03:29, 6 August 2008 (UTC) [reply ]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.