Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Erik Mongrain

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The result was keep. Sources uncovered during the debate proved notability. I must say, the techinque he "pioneered" sounds a lot like this guy. Xymmax ^{So let it be written} _{So let it be done} 22:32, 12 December 2008 (UTC) [reply ]

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WP:NN musician. Fails WP:Music#Criteria for musicians and ensembles numbers 2-10 without question. The only possible criteria is #1, but I couldn't find any mentions in the articles on the artost 's web page that except Works comprising merely trivial coverage mostly describing one upcoming appearance or another (promotional placements in papers etc). G-hits also shows tons of listings but they also seem to be very trivial, usually placements announcing some appearance, several blogs. Lack of Notability has been discussed on Talk:Erik_Mongrain since 2006 and not yet mitigated. Despite assertion by author, fails all WP:Music#Criteria for musicians and ensembles. Toddst1 (talk) 17:06, 7 December 2008 (UTC) [reply ]

• Keep I disagree. No matter if you think the sources are trivial (which is opinionated), the fact that there are legitimate sources and actual representations are enough, I believe, to give notability. Silver seren ^C 21:41, 7 December 2008 (UTC) [reply ]

Comment: This editor's opinion seems incongruent with WP:Music#Criteria for musicians and ensembles which specifies that coverage must be non-trivial. Toddst1 (talk) 23:16, 7 December 2008 (UTC) [reply ]

I really need to refresh myself on my Wiki rules...wait, what about all of the news pages that are linked to on his press page. Are you saying all of them are trivial? (I can't translate it, which is why i'm asking) Silver seren ^C 23:27, 7 December 2008 (UTC) [reply ]

It doesn't matter if those or trivial or not. Those links go to his site and reliable sources need to be independent of the subject. Schuym1 (talk) 00:02, 8 December 2008 (UTC) [reply ]

• Delete: No reliable sources that show notability per WP:MUSIC. Schuym1 (talk) 00:02, 8 December 2008 (UTC) [reply ]

So the Boston Herald is not independent? Since when? - Mgm|^(talk) 10:25, 8 December 2008 (UTC) [reply ]

Trivial coverage. Toddst1 (talk) 19:33, 8 December 2008 (UTC) [reply ]

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• Keep While the article does not meet many criteria, I feel it meets # 1 fine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PEiP (talk • contribs) 03:40, 8 December 2008 (UTC) [reply ]
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• Keep Multiple press coverings make him meet the first criterion. The fact he mentions to them on his own website doesn't make them not independent, because they're verifiable with the actual publications. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:25, 8 December 2008 (UTC) [reply ]

Multiple trivial coverage fails criteria #1. Have you read it? Toddst1 (talk) 19:32, 8 December 2008 (UTC) [reply ]

• The Boston Herald article is entirely about him. The German Heavy Metal Heaven Magazine, again non-trivial. It appears we have different opinions on what trivial coverage is. To me, trivial is a passing mention in an article largely about something else. That clearly doesn't apply to him.- Mgm|^(talk) 09:42, 12 December 2008 (UTC) [reply ]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 02:51, 12 December 2008 (UTC) [reply ]

• Keep The article is very promotional and needs a good trim, but there is enough substantial media coverage to demonstrate notability.ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:57, 12 December 2008 (UTC) [reply ]
• Keep – He had some more press coverage during a recent tour of Britain. I added two more newspaper articles just now. I believe there is enough for WP:MUSIC criterion #1. The coverage is sufficiently in-depth. Paul Erik ^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:40, 12 December 2008 (UTC) [reply ]
• Keep Multiple international non-trivial sources to meet notability guidelines. Feature article about the subject in a major newspaper in Spain, feature article from a newspaper in Scotland and another one from Canada.--Jmundo (talk) 19:58, 12 December 2008 (UTC) [reply ]

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