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Vandalism part 37

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Latest comment: 5 days ago 92 comments17 people in discussion

Serge's 37th iteration of his own personal WP:AIV and WP:RFPP. Feel free to report anything you feel may need admin intervention.

Well it seems like this may have been Resolved: User_talk:Iamyourgoldfish#April_2026 GSK (talkedits) 23:45, 30 April 2026 (UTC) Reply

Specifying countries in the Sega Genesis entry

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Latest comment: 12 days ago 7 comments2 people in discussion

When talking about things in different countries, especially when trying to avoid US-defaultism, can you explain how not clarifying those countries is "an improvement" in your words? Thanks. Andrewpandy401 (talk) 19:06, 16 July 2026 (UTC) Reply

As I mentioned in my edit summary, it just felt like you repeatedly added regions or regional names in places where it was already clear what was being discussed. Other edits just added more words for no effect at all. Sergecross73 msg me 00:56, 17 July 2026 (UTC) Reply
There are many, many instances in the article where it isn<nowiki>'t clear. When the article is talking about regional variations, generally regions are mentioned except North America.
Are you saying if the region isn't mentioned, it's "clear" - as you say - that it's North America? That would suggest North America is the default; going against WP:NPOVFAQ and avoiding an Anglo-American focus. If I’ve misunderstood, can you explain how not mentioning the region when talking about North America in the context of other international regions is - in your words - "clear"? Andrewpandy401 (talk) 07:25, 17 July 2026 (UTC) Reply
I'm saying that the article is a Featured Article, the highest quality ranking Wikipedia has for articles. It was extensively written and passed a rigorous review process. It doesn't mean it's perfect, but it does make it extremely difficult for me to believe there were like 20 instances where basic subjects were poorly defined, as your edits suggested. Sergecross73 msg me 11:59, 17 July 2026 (UTC) Reply
"extremely difficult for me to believe there were like 20 instances where basic subjects were poorly defined"
  1. "After the release of the Genesis in 1989, video game publisher Accolade..." Since the article generally refers to the console as 'Genesis' even when referring outside of North America ("30.75 million first-party Genesis units were sold worldwide"), it's unclear whether '1989' is a typo or referring specifically to the North American release.
  2. "[In Japan,] Sega held a company-wide contest to create a mascot character..." The article mentions Sega of America on numerous occasions, but here you chose to remove the note that the contest was only in Japan?
  3. "As of 2012, Tectoy had sold an estimated 3 million Genesis units" Where? Brazil.
  4. "In November 1993, Sega released the Sega Activator" Where? Only in the US.
  5. "In 1994, Sega started the Sega Channel" Where? Only in the US.
  6. "At the Winter Consumer Electronic Show in January 1994, Sega of America research and development head Joe Miller took a phone call from Nakayama... One idea came from a concept from Sega Enterprises [in Japan]" Again, why mention Sega of America specifically, but remove the reference to Japan?
  7. "The Saturn was released on May 11, 1995," Where? Only in North America.
  8. "[In late 1995] Late in the 16-bit era, Sega released a handheld version of the Genesis" How is specifying the year less clear than an "era"?
  9. "The system was later redesigned by JVC and released as the X'Eye in North America in September 1994. Designed by JVC to be a Genesis and Sega CD combination with high quality audio, the Wondermega's high price (500ドル at launch)" This sentence is talking about the X'Eye, not the Wondermega. Even the source refers to it as the X'Eye.
  10. "After the Genesis was discontinued, Majesco released the Genesis 3" Where? Only in the US.
Andrewpandy401 (talk) 12:55, 17 July 2026 (UTC) Reply
It is not useful to assume North America is the default, especially when talking about international markets. Andrewpandy401 (talk) 12:57, 17 July 2026 (UTC) Reply
To be clear, not a single one of my responses have at any point referenced the US or NA in any capacity. Only you have been talking about that. That's not my issue. My issue is that in many of your changes, you seemed to write as if each sentence were written with no prior knowledge of any of the prior sentences. Like inserting "Mega Drive" or "Genesis" in for pronouns like "it". There's no reason to keep name dropping it when it's still clear what the subject is. You also frequently added less concise phrasing to no benefit. (Changing the concise "None were successful" to the clumsily phrased "None achieved major commercial success" were among the changes I considered "not an improvement" or "more words with no benefit".)
I didn't necessarily object to every single change. But there were enough that a blanked revert was far more efficient. Thus why you'll see most experienced editors recommend not making a ton of changes across one single edit. Spread them across multiple edits so all your changes don't get undone at once when editors just object to some if your changes. Sergecross73 msg me 15:35, 17 July 2026 (UTC) Reply

Intersection of uncivil editing and mental health

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Latest comment: 12 days ago 4 comments2 people in discussion

Hi Sergecross, I wanted to pick your brain on this before going to ANI or another forum.

User:Superlogan7437 came across my radar for an edit marked as minor to Toby Fox's page, but that added new wording. I investigated and found that pretty much all of their recent edits followed this pattern, substantive edits to pages marked as minor.

I went onto their talk page to just give them a heads up, and while I was there I noticed another user had done the same a few weeks prior, and Superlogan blanked it out. It's my understanding that deleting other's messages on talk pages, even your own, that aren't vandalism or personal attacks, is uncivil.

I made one last reply on their talk page explaining this, and then blanked it and also added Template:User mental health. See

I'm curious what your take is here. If they had just blanked it, I would take this to ANI for uncivil editing, but the mental health message makes me reconsider it. Should we cut them some slack and continue to monitor edits, or start up a thread over there?

Thanks. Yojo98 (talk) 14:30, 17 July 2026 (UTC) Reply

So, generally speaking, either them engaging us discussion, or archiving their talk page is preferred, users are allowed to delete comments from their own talk page. As you can see at WP:USERTALK, editors do have more flexibility when it comes to their own talk page. So I wouldn't report them for civility issues alone.
That said, deleting comments off of ones talk page does count as acknowledgement that the message was at least received. (Conceptually, one has to see it to delete it.) They can no longer say that "they didn't know any better" or something like that. This helps as far as escalation goes.
Because they have, at least on a round about way, indicated they're struggling with mental issues if sorts right now, I wouldn't do anything else. But if they do this in any further edits, let me know, and I'll intervene. I'd probably start with a talk/warning. I don't love blocking editors for minor stuff like this, but there's also really no excuse for not making a simple change like this either... Sergecross73 msg me 15:16, 17 July 2026 (UTC) Reply
Ah apologies, I had misread that portion of the talk page guidelines. I really appreciate your thoughtful reply here, and it does make sense that deletion here is at least some acknowledgement that they read it.
Sounds like a good plan. Makes sense that it isn't the first choice to block over something like this. I'll keep an eye on it and let you know if anything changes.
Thanks! Yojo98 (talk) 15:23, 17 July 2026 (UTC) Reply
Thank you for understanding. I'm happy to help. Feel free to run things by me first when you want. ANI can sometimes be a harsh place depending on who answers you. Sergecross73 msg me 15:39, 17 July 2026 (UTC) Reply

Official Petition for Paralyzing Bureaucratic Mercy

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Latest comment: 9 days ago 2 comments2 people in discussion

Official Petition for Paralyzing Bureaucratic Mercy To: The High Council of the Wiki-Overlords From: The Former Rogue Operative Known Only as "PawPatroler" Subject: Request to Cease My Digital Exile Esteemed Wardens of the Free Encyclopedia, I am writing to formally acknowledge that my recent editorial behavior was less "scholarly contribution" and more "digital bulldozer." It turns out that wandering into complex articles I do not understand behaves exactly like a toddler playing with a active nuclear reactor. Lessons have been deeply, painfully learned. Moving forward, I swear a solemn oath to stick to topics that reside strictly within my actual intellectual zip code. If I ever find myself confused by a page again, I will politely ask for adult supervision instead of mashing my keyboard. I crave the chance to make deeply thought-out, staggeringly useful contributions to your glorious database. Therefore, I propose a compromise to test my rehabilitation: Please grant me a single, solitary sandbox. Think of it as my personal digital playground with padded walls. If you unblock just my sandbox, I can happily make mistakes in isolation, learning the ways of the Wiki-Force without accidentally breaking the internet or giving your administrators ulcers. Can we please unlock the sandbox gate? @PawPatroler ~2026-40587-53 (talk) 18:13, 20 July 2026 (UTC) Reply

Denied. Allowing you to edit your sandbox while blocked is not an option. Sergecross73 msg me 18:23, 20 July 2026 (UTC) Reply

HumanxAnthro returning to music articles to make more contentious edits

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Latest comment: 1 day ago 3 comments2 people in discussion

Hi Serge. So last month it appears HumanxAnthro removed the anti-"music side of Wikipedia" screed on their user page and for the past couple of weeks has dove headfirst into returning to the topic areas they complained about several months ago. Straight back into making previously contentious edits like placing the importance of a UK chart that combines sales and airplay over the actual official UK chart source, which was an issue they ran into several months ago. It appears they're now going to other editors and telling them one-on-one the way they think it should be: User_talk:MarioSoulTruthFan#UK_Singles_Chart. They also had complaints about separating chart tables into sales versus airplay ones months ago. Now they're doing this again, just in prose this time, like at Around the World (Aqua song) here and inserting strange asides into prose like at Mine (Taylor Swift song) here. (HumanxAnthro seems to strongly believe charts that combine sales and airplay are vastly superior to ones that don't and makes it a point to preference them anywhere they can. Like referring to the official UK Singles Chart as "sales-only" everywhere. It's bizarre.) Also, I believe removing critic-list tables ran them afoul of several editors, but they are back to removing those again, saying they're "fucking sick" of them and calling them "fucking obnoxious".

Letting you know as I was forbidden from posting on their talk page and you warned them about this behaviour that was getting them into arguments several months ago. Skyversay (talk) 01:15, 28 July 2026 (UTC) Reply

Thank you, I've left them a reminder of that conversation. Sergecross73 msg me 01:33, 28 July 2026 (UTC) Reply
Someone else has opened up an ANI case on similar issues too, if you want to chime in there. See here. Sergecross73 msg me 03:51, 28 July 2026 (UTC) Reply

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