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Hi Sam!
Wasn't sure the best way to be in touch, and I had responded to your comment but didn't hear back. Are you able to see if the tweaks made to the Neal Ludevig page to improved it and make it qualify? Thinking about some other pages for other folks, but feel like this will help provide a foundation for what goes and what doesn't, so wanted to check-in with you since you gave some good advice earlier. Thanks! Hiztorybuph (talk) 13:37, 1 June 2026 (UTC) Reply
- @Hiztorybuph: Draft:Neal Ludevig reads like a list of projects and productions he has been involved in, not a biography. Sam Sailor 16:10, 20 June 2026 (UTC) Reply
- Hi Sam - can you maybe provide any notes / thoughts on what would allow it to read more like a biography in that way, or provide an example of a individual bio that reads correctly? That would help a lot as I seek to improve it and make necessary changes. I feel like I see many articles read in a similar way (somewhat list style), and felt that read neutral - but I guess that's wrong?
- Any/all help would be appreciated!
- Thanks! Hiztorybuph (talk) 18:59, 24 June 2026 (UTC) Reply
- Writing about living persons requires good sources. Which are the three best? Sam Sailor 19:04, 24 June 2026 (UTC) Reply
- Made some changes to made it more biographical @Sam Sailor - is that better? Hiztorybuph (talk) 19:54, 24 June 2026 (UTC) Reply
- @Sam Sailor Were you able to look at them? I didn't see any activity in a bit, so let me know. Alternatively, I didn't know if it made sense just to resubmit or something. Again, thank you :) Hiztorybuph (talk) 20:26, 16 July 2026 (UTC) Reply
- Hey @Sam Sailor - just thought to check-in here. Appreciate the help!
- Made some changes to made it more biographical @Sam Sailor - is that better? Hiztorybuph (talk) 19:54, 24 June 2026 (UTC) Reply
- Writing about living persons requires good sources. Which are the three best? Sam Sailor 19:04, 24 June 2026 (UTC) Reply
Which are the three best sources? Try to fill a {{SAT }}, and let me see how that looks. Sam Sailor 20:18, 24 June 2026 (UTC) Reply
- As for the sources that seem strongest (3 best), he's been written about, mentioned, and had his work covered in everything from the New York Times, to Variety, to Deadline, to the Daily News, to Rolling Stone, and beyond. They all seem seriously reputable (in addition to other reputable / media-like sources like WNYC / NPR) - are you suggesting taking info related and/or mentioned in those out?
- If you're able to do a pass, that'd be helpful (I also don't know if I shoudl be doing this another way so this doesn't fall on you - I thought honestly this was a community thing where all kinds of people contribute, but just haven't seen anything here done for some reason). Hiztorybuph (talk) 13:27, 1 July 2026 (UTC) Reply
- I would appreciate a {{SAT }} or at least actually posting the three best sources here; that would be most helpful. Sam Sailor 13:35, 1 July 2026 (UTC) Reply
- Hi @Sam Sailor — I've posted the {{SAT}} template on the Draft talk page. Also putting here, per your request (in case there were any issues with what I did on the draft page) the three strongest independent sources:
- The New York Times, August 15, 2019 - names Ludevig directly as co-producer of the 50th anniversary Harlem Cultural Festival concerts: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/15/arts/music/black-woodstock-harlem-festival-1969.html
- Rolling Stone, August 9, 2019 —-identifies Ludevig as primary curator and co-producer: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/black-woodstock-harlem-cultural-festival-history-859626/
- Variety, April 9, 2026 - names Ludevig as co-producer on Lillian, Next Door starring four-time Oscar nominee Jane Alexander: https://variety.com/2026/film/global/jane-alexander-lead-comedy-drama-lilian-next-door-wme-1236712368/
- Thanks again for your guidance! Hiztorybuph (talk) 14:49, 6 July 2026 (UTC) Reply
- @Sam Sailor (for some reason didn't come up) Hiztorybuph (talk) 14:50, 6 July 2026 (UTC) Reply
- Just thought to check-in here - thanks! 🙏 Hiztorybuph (talk) 11:33, 10 July 2026 (UTC) Reply
- @Sam Sailor (for some reason didn't come up) Hiztorybuph (talk) 14:50, 6 July 2026 (UTC) Reply
- Hi @Sam Sailor — I've posted the {{SAT}} template on the Draft talk page. Also putting here, per your request (in case there were any issues with what I did on the draft page) the three strongest independent sources:
- I would appreciate a {{SAT }} or at least actually posting the three best sources here; that would be most helpful. Sam Sailor 13:35, 1 July 2026 (UTC) Reply
The three sources are excellent; unfortunately, they are behind paywalls. Going by your descriptions, 1. names Ludevig directly as co-producer
, 2. identifies Ludevig as primary curator and co-producer
, 3. names Ludevig as co-producer
, I suspect we still lack the important significant coverage. A good, short read is WP:GOLDENRULE. Could I get you started with editing something else than Neal Ludevig? Best, Sam Sailor 05:19, 7 July 2026 (UTC) Reply
- @Hiztorybuph: Did you see my response above from July 7th? Draft is currently in que for review. Best, Sam Sailor 20:37, 16 July 2026 (UTC) Reply
- @Sam Sailor Ah thanks! For some reason that didn't come through until like...right now. So strange!
- And ah! For the paywalls, I know per WP:SOURCEACCESS, source availability shouldn't affect reliability. But, I have a little trick for you! When the page loads, quickly do a select all (command + A) and then copy everything (command c), before the paywall comes in. You should be able to take the full article and copy and paste it anywhere to see everything :) - Little trick I found! If you miss it, just refresh and try again. Also, Wayback Machine is pretty useful.
- As for the WP:GOLDENRULE and WP:SIGCOV, thanks for pointing it out. Read through both, and appropriately tweaking (I'll correct the relevant areas in the article too) the three sources with that standard in mind.
- The New York Times (Aug. 15, 2019) - Neal is directly quoted twice by name, with his title given as "the curator and co-producer of this year's 50th anniversary 'Black Woodstock' event." This is a feature piece by a Yale professor, not a news brief: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/15/arts/music/black-woodstock-harlem-festival-1969.html
- Rolling Stone (Aug. 9, 2019) -Neal is named twice with substantive description, identified as "the SummerStage concert's primary curator and co-producer" and "the 50th anniversary Black Woodstock curator and co-producer": https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/black-woodstock-harlem-cultural-festival-history-859626/
- Variety (Oct. 7, 2025) - Neal is directly quoted four times by the journalist, discussing his company's vision at length. He is a subject of the piece, not a credit mention: https://variety.com/2025/tv/global/animated-sci-fi-dramedy-ancient-china-of-mars-immigrant-dream-1236540975/
- Happy to provide additional context on what any of these sources say directly about Neal if that helps.
- In the meantime, I'll keep working on some other articles. Was waiting to get more feedback here before diving into other stuff.
- Let me know how this all sounds :) Hiztorybuph (talk) 20:23, 21 July 2026 (UTC) Reply
Hi Sam Sailor! On behalf of the Birthday Committee, I'd like to wish you a very happy anniversary of the day you made your first edit and became a Wikipedian! DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 12:14, 25 June 2026 (UTC) Reply Party popper emoji
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Hi, thanks for linking Ella Goldsmith to the main surname page, however it's saying she's English instead of Australian for some reason and I can't fix it.
Could you fix it, and show me how if possible? Cheers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldsmith_(surname) — Preceding unsigned comment added by HitchikersPie (talk • contribs) 11:16, 6 July 2026 (UTC) Reply
- Fixed in the short discription in Ella Goldsmith. Best, Sam Sailor 11:21, 6 July 2026 (UTC) Reply
- Ahhh, I based this from an english ref so that's why HitchikersPie (talk) 11:24, 6 July 2026 (UTC) Reply
- Yes, "English" was there from the start, no big deal. :) Happy editing! Sam Sailor 11:29, 6 July 2026 (UTC) Reply
- Ahhh, I based this from an english ref so that's why HitchikersPie (talk) 11:24, 6 July 2026 (UTC) Reply
You recently removed the orphan tag from Justin Paul (scholar). Looking at the criteria section of WP:ORPHAN, I do not think that the conditions to remove the tag are met. The only links in are talk pages, a surname article, and disambiguation links. Am I missing something? I have attempted in the past to find a way to deorphan the page, and have never succeeded. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 23:49, 6 July 2026 (UTC) Reply
- Set index articles, which include {{surname }} pages, have long been explicitly mentioned in the section Wikipedia:Orphan §Criteria as "pages that do count as incoming links". Looking at the history of Wikipedia:Orphan , I see that recently (diff) somebody added surname pages to the paragraph "pages [that] do not count". I have added Justin Paul (scholar) to List of University of Brighton alumni. Best, Sam Sailor 05:03, 7 July 2026 (UTC) Reply
- The alumni listing works! Good catch -- I was looking for ways to mention him at Masstige. Thanks! Russ Woodroofe (talk) 06:14, 7 July 2026 (UTC) Reply
Hi, you removed grouping: I am actively editing surname pages and see a number of ones with grouping. Will you suggest merging them into single sorned lists as well? What is your rationale? (I support this), but I am vary of opposition). --Altenmann >talk 19:07, 9 July 2026 (UTC) Reply
- Happy to hear from you, Altenmann. In general, I think alphabetical sorting makes much more sense in terms of lexicography. Quicker to navigate, quicker to update.
- On shorter lists like Strøm, I don't think categorization in broader occupational groups is relevant at all. As WP:NAMEPAGE suggests: "Generally, names should be listed in alphabetical order, but where the page includes a large number of people, it may be helpful to categorize them (as in Khan or Elizabeth)."
- But maybe we should start a discussion on WT:APO about it? One suggestion could be to try to follow the order of Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Stub types/People §People by occupation, if categorization is used. With standardized heading names.
- What do you think? Best, Sam Sailor 19:37, 9 July 2026 (UTC) Reply
- If you start the discussion I will throw in my 2pf, but (<lots of excuses>:-) I think flattening relatively short lists is a good idea. I am doin the same with microsections in small articles. Stub sorting is rather detailed ("Piracy" eh?), but it gives an idea for coarser groups, like "Academics and scientists). A problem with categorizing is that quite a few notable people are notable in several domains, and someone looking for a scifi writer may overlook "Scientists" section. So I am leaning for flat list always. If one wants to find a Smith mountaineerer, one can open alphabetic List of people with surname Smith and search for word "mountaineer" Meaning that descriptions must mention all traits the person is notable for. --Altenmann >talk 20:57, 9 July 2026 (UTC) Reply
- I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks flattening is good. Horn (surname) stands out to me as a typical example of name list categorization that is not really helpful.Stub sorting: "Piracy" does stick oddly out there. Maybe it is more relevant to find inspiration by looking at e.g. Category:People stubs by occupation:
Click on "►" below to display subcategories: ... notable in several domains
True. And another issue with categorizing is that it makes transclusion via e.g.{{transclude list }}or partial transclution using<onlyinclude>...</onlyinclude>or "excerption" using{{excerpt }}impossible ((source, source, target). Not the strongest argument; it would be better if all articles were linked on the name pages. Best, Sam Sailor 17:55, 14 July 2026 (UTC) Reply
- I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks flattening is good. Horn (surname) stands out to me as a typical example of name list categorization that is not really helpful.Stub sorting: "Piracy" does stick oddly out there. Maybe it is more relevant to find inspiration by looking at e.g. Category:People stubs by occupation:
- If you start the discussion I will throw in my 2pf, but (<lots of excuses>:-) I think flattening relatively short lists is a good idea. I am doin the same with microsections in small articles. Stub sorting is rather detailed ("Piracy" eh?), but it gives an idea for coarser groups, like "Academics and scientists). A problem with categorizing is that quite a few notable people are notable in several domains, and someone looking for a scifi writer may overlook "Scientists" section. So I am leaning for flat list always. If one wants to find a Smith mountaineerer, one can open alphabetic List of people with surname Smith and search for word "mountaineer" Meaning that descriptions must mention all traits the person is notable for. --Altenmann >talk 20:57, 9 July 2026 (UTC) Reply
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