Template talk:Gold1

@Graham87: Hi. This template is for including medal symbols in sporting event result tables. The alt text of this template has recently been changed from "1" to "1st". Could you try it out and tell us if 1st is read correctly by your screen reader? Thanks, Dodoïste (talk) 22:29, 12 November 2014 (UTC) Reply

@Dodoïste: I think this kind of issue is more a potential problem with some screen reader software's design, rather than our choice of text (see here). Any intelligent reader should not read "1st" as "one-st". I chose ordinals on the basis that they are (a) readable by machine, (b) an improvement in reading as "first" is much more appropriate in rankings than "1", and (c) the best and briefest choice when displaying alt text visually. SFB 23:05, 12 November 2014 (UTC) Reply

@Sillyfolkboy: Thanks for sharing your thoughts and references. I was not arguing with your choice of "1st" over "1", I think it's a sensible choice. I only wanted to ask Graham. But according to this 2008 WebAIM forum, "1st" is supported by very old versions of JAWS. So it should be good.

With such a good reply, I want to enlist you at Wikipedia:WikiProject Accessibility. :-) Dodoïste (talk) 19:59, 13 November 2014 (UTC) Reply

Consider me signed up. I usually try to give some thought to accessibility, particularly with well-used templates. I hope to learn more along the way! I'm probably on the more conservative side for visually impaired accessibility though, in that I think there are some elements that hardly ever present well to those users (complex tables for example) – in those cases I think the visual audience should not suffer to accommodate minor benefits to a minority of users. I look forward to discussing things like this in future. SFB 20:28, 13 November 2014 (UTC) Reply

Cool! Welcome aboard! :-) Regarding tables. Personally I never suggest accessibility improvements that hinders sighted people. Complex tables are tricky indeed, and some tables are very difficult to improve. I have seen several tables that I found impossible to improve, so I did not do anything about them. But most of the time, table accessibility improvements benefits both sighted and visually impaired users. Because a well structured table is easier to use for everyone. I wrote the examples at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Data tables tutorial thinking that accessibility should benefit to everyone (not only impaired users). I don't know if I've managed to express this idea successfully, I'm not a native english speaker and I often have difficulties to express such subtleties. Cheers, Dodoïste (talk) 21:50, 13 November 2014 (UTC) Reply

@Dodoïste: You raise some interesting points for the athletics topic area in your guide. With regards to achievement tables with country headers: am I right in thinking that column headers are most problematic when there are multiples (i.e. less so when only one initial header is in table?). I have updated {{AchievementTable }} to allow for a national header instead. Am I also right in thinking that, for competition record tables, a section header will suffice instead of a caption to show the table purpose when it's the only content in the section (e.g. Carme Blay)? Third question: in this section surely the athlete name is redundant in a biography context on the same basis that we would not name the article section "Vasiliy Kaptyukh's achievements representing Belarus", but rather "Achievements representing Belarus"? SFB 19:34, 17 November 2014 (UTC) Reply

• I have modified the alt tags to make it more clear that it is showing a medal symbol (e.g. changed to "1st, gold medalist(s)"), as I doubt this is properly, explicitly conveyed through a screen reader. They seem to also being used on various game reference/box score templates, not just result tables. Zzyzx11 (talk) 20:47, 21 August 2016 (UTC) Reply

U.S. Figure Skating awards a pewter medal for fourth place in its competitions. Would it be possible for someone to create a matching pewter circle with a 4 since we use the 1st place, gold medalist(s), etc. on our scoring tables. The color code for the pewter is D1C571. Thank you so much in advance! Bgsu98 (Talk) 22:11, 21 November 2023 (UTC) Reply

• TM:Gold1 → [[:|(削除) TM:Gold medal (削除ここまで)]]
• TM:Silver2 → [[:|(削除) TM:Silver medal (削除ここまで)]]
• TM:Bronze3 → [[:|(削除) TM:Bronze medal (削除ここまで)]]

– These templates are a holdout to the general trend towards expanding template names for clarity per Wikipedia:Template namespace §Template names: (emphasis supplied)

Template names should be made of one or more words, and describe the template clearly, as in {{Math topics sidebar}}. Template names are easiest to remember if they follow standard English spelling, spacing, and capitalization. Avoid having templates whose names differ only in case, spacing, or punctuation.

Of course, the old titles will still remain a redirect so people can keep using them as shortcuts. FaviFake (talk) 21:35, 31 July 2026 (UTC) Reply

The proposed targets are separate templates, so we need a different target.

On the merits, I think these template names are largely fine—they are, in fact, a "gold (number) 1", a "silver (number) 2", and a "bronze (number) 3". However, I support adding spaces before the numbers. Best, House Blaster (talk • he/they) 00:05, 1 August 2026 (UTC) Reply

Oh you're right.

But I still think adding a space is not enough. In theory, one should be able to tell the difference between {{gold1 }} and {{gold medal }} by looking at the name of the templates, but in this case it's impossible unless you actually look at the template. What do you think of this instead? ​

TM:Gold1 → TM:Gold medal icon
TM:Silver2 → TM:Silver medal icon
TM:Bronze3 → TM:Bronze medal icon FaviFake (talk) 00:44, 1 August 2026 (UTC) Reply

I don't object to that proposal. Best, House Blaster (talk • he/they) 01:34, 1 August 2026 (UTC) Reply