Talk:Zoomergaze

The term was not coined by NEOPUNKFM, there's Google trends stats from 2022 which use the term as well as Twitter and 4chan posts. In the video NEOPUNKFM defines the genre from the perspective of something people were already talking about, not like he was identifying a trend and finally put a name to it. Popularizer not coiner. Aradicus77 (talk) 15:30, 6 March 2026 (UTC) [reply ]

What Google trends stats are you using? Because here there's nothing before December 2023 (when that video was released), other than a strange peak in 2011 which obviously isn't referring to this, because that's before zoomer was coined. Googling "zoomergaze" "4chan" before:2024 also turns up no results. Issan Sumisu (talk) 15:46, 6 March 2026 (UTC) [reply ]

This is from April 2023. https://desuarchive.org/_/search/text/%22zoomergaze%20is%20fucking%20embarrassing%22/ Aradicus77 (talk) 19:47, 6 March 2026 (UTC) [reply ]

Alright yeah, seems to be three off hand uses of it before the video. These obviously can't be cited in the body, but the Neopunkfm reference should probably be removed. Oh, and by the way, based on your last edit summary, I wanted to say that I didn't remove the dubious tag before you replied to me, there was simply no talk post when I saw it and mistakenly believed it was added without any explanation. Sorry about that. Issan Sumisu (talk) 20:06, 6 March 2026 (UTC) [reply ]

Yeah not sure what Wikipedia does for stuff like this. I always assumed the "reliable source" would have primary importance. NEOPUNKFM did popularize the term so its hard to incorporate them into the article without the source explicitly making that distinction. I saw recently the term "laptop twee" was in usage before 2025. But Pitchfork has several articles now accrediting it to a blogger. So I opened this up to see what happens in those kinds of moments because the information would basically be wrong but be "right" in reference to reliable sources. Aradicus77 (talk) 20:23, 6 March 2026 (UTC) [reply ]

Also, one of those uses in the archive was for Yeule. I didn't come across them before, but [1] [2] describe them as mixing hyperpop and shoegaze. Could be worth a mention. Issan Sumisu (talk) 20:10, 6 March 2026 (UTC) [reply ]

The exact reason talk pages exist is for stuff like this. Consensus can remove sources if they're found to be wrong. Issan Sumisu (talk) 20:27, 6 March 2026 (UTC) [reply ]

I feel this article is changing the definition of what Zoomergaze is. Zoomergaze per sources is specifically referring to the rise of Gen Z shoegaze bands like Julie, Wisp and Fleshwater, who sometimes mixed the style with nu metal and grunge (grungegaze). Now, when it comes to the trend that some fans have called the "hyperpop to shoegaze pipeline", that seems to be a completely different style that this page is trying to focus on. The mention of the hyper-gaze stuff on this page literally has not a single source calling it "zoomergaze". All that Jane Remover and Quannnic shoegaze stuff is completely indifferent to the OG zoomergaze wave. I'll wait for consensus before removing the hyperpop information. That stuff should be moved to a 2020s section in Shoegaze. Aradicus (talk) 13:28, 9 April 2026 (UTC) [reply ]

I notice this is the main source conflating the hyper-gaze stuff with zoomergaze: https://whynow.co.uk/read/from-shoegaze-to-zoomer-gaze-the-evolution-of-a-gen-z-musical-phenomenon. But not sure if this is really RS because it seems very LLM written. I believe there is overlap between the 2 scenes like Quannnic, but whatever the hyperpop strain is called (Enis used "digi-gaze") that is a completely different thing from zoomergaze. Not sure if zoomergaze could even be thought of as the umbrella for these revivals. There's a general 2020s shoegaze revival anyway Aradicus (talk) 13:34, 9 April 2026 (UTC) [reply ]

Ondarock, Stereogum, PopMatters and The Week are definitely using the digicore/hyperpop definition (the Week overtly referencing the WhyNow article). Far Out use it too, though they fail WP:RS. On the topic of Why Now, on GPTZero it turns up 2% AI, and they have pitching guidelines so I'd say it's unlikely it's LLM written. Of the other definition, it is absolutley used, though uses seem fewer. Most sources are a bit ambigious about what they mean: "zoomergaze being the latest iteration of My Bloody Valentine’s influence as refracted by the internet", could really mean either. I can't find any articles discussing Fleshwater using the name "zoomergaze" (and they aren't Gen Z, they're young millenials, sentireascoltare specifically calls them not zoomergaze), its use for Julie does happen, though this is the only one I could find saying it overtly (this almost does, this does but fails WP:RS). It comes up all the time for Wisp, but she has stated she is influenced by hyperpop, and obviously Aldn produced her album. The sources cited here for it being combined with elements of nu metal or grunge are Ondarock, Why Now and PopMatters, which all explicitly reference digicore or hyperpop, and use the name zoomergaze.

My view is that the term is currently in its state of flux, as new terms often are, and it was WP:TOOSOON to publish this article. The definition will probably take some time to codify. If we're weighing up numbers of which definition is used more, it seems to lean towards the digicore/hyperpop definition, based on what I've provided above. Issan Sumisu (talk) 14:54, 9 April 2026 (UTC) [reply ]

This is a really good response. Yeah I agree with all this. Was just trying to see if what was going on with this page would sway public opinion on the meaning of the term before it actually solidified. Aradicus (talk) 00:22, 10 April 2026 (UTC) [reply ]

I was heavily involved with the post-hyperpop scene on soundcloud specifically and I have quite literally never heard the term zoomergaze used to refer to any of the artists in this article, and the artists involved don't use it to describe themselves in any source I can find. I'm sure theres a lot of overlap with the sounds involved but this wave of "zoomergaze" is seemingly unrelated and there are only a few sources tying them together to begin with. HavenSumser (talk) 01:36, 3 June 2026 (UTC) [reply ]

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