Talk:Tom Molineaux

The "Statistics" say Dublin, but the article claims Galway. Is this disputed?67.253.157.18 (talk) 23:21, 19 November 2010 (UTC) [reply ]

I'm not sure what the criteria is for noteworthy mentions in fiction so I won't add this, but given that there is mention of a picture and a fictionalized story, might one want to add the pulp story on wikisource "The Apparition in the Prize Ring" ( AKA The Spirit of Tom Molyneaux). It is a boxing/ghost story about a black boxer who/while being beaten badly is inspired to victory by his admiration for, and possibly the ghostly intervention, of Molyneaux. It is by Robert E. Howard and, despite his racist reputation, speaks glowingly of Molyneaux. http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Apparition_in_the_Prize_Ring Anyone think it is worthy of a link or a mention? 75.191.151.75 (talk) 13:31, 25 November 2010 (UTC) [reply ]

In the Wikipedia entry for Tom Molineaux, the first fight with Tom Cribb is stated as taking place in Shenington Hollow in Oxfordshire, whereas the entry for Copthorne village claims "a number of significant boxing prize fights took place in Copthorne Common in the early 19th century. A significant one was the English championship in 1810, between Tom Cribb of Bristol (Cribb was born near Bristl but lived in London at that time, in a state of semi-retirement) and Tom Molineaux from Virginia, USA." Copthorne is the venue for the fight in Fraser's "Black Ajax". Perhaps someone can verify the correct location. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fircroftstar (talk • contribs) 16:55, 10 September 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

BoxRec states that the first fight took place in Copthorne Gap in December of 1810.^[1] Interestingly enough the re-match at Thistleton Gap on 28 September 1811 is not mentioned. What I find interesting is that it is claimed that Molineux knocked Cribb out in the first fight, but that Cribb was allowed to recover, only to be knocked out again and allowed to continue^[2] . Cribb eventually wins, but more because both fighters are exhausted. The re-match, a year later, was easily won by Cribb. Shenington Hollow is mentioned in A History of the County of Oxford: Volume 9, Bloxham Hundred in the chapter on Shenington^[3] . The pages in the reference are not correct so I have changed those. It says: The village acquired notoriety in 1810 when a prize fight was arranged by Morant Gale of Upton (Warws.) between Molyneaux, a Negro pugilist, and the English champion, Thomas Cribb. The ring was in Shenington Hollow, well away from the vigilant watch of the Gloucestershire J.P.s, and the match was fought on 3 December. It must be said that this information seems to rest on a reference dating from 1900 and may not be accurate. JHvW 07:42, 7 November 2017 (UTC) [reply ]

"2 rounds were fought there, lasting 68 minutes..." -> sounds weird. Herbmuell (talk) 01:36, 19 February 2019 (UTC) [reply ]