Talk:Tenerife airport disaster

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The final quotations from the recorder of PanAm in the collisions section are not in transcripts of the event on third party websites. When you Google the statements (at least the first page) of results looks like they copy this quotation from Wikipedia. It looks to me like a dramatized/fictional quotation. Can we please find a reliable source for it? Peace and Passion ☮  ("I'm listening....") 01:16, 2 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]

Researching back into the history, there was a transcript that morphed over time like a meme, with minor and major changes consistently being made to the transcript. A 'dubious' tag was associated with the section. On May 27, 2007, with no further citation, an editor removed the tag. At one point the captain even included "Oh, Shit!" Please tell me someone's fictional last words haven't been on the Wiki for about 15 years... (and spawned into other later sources). Peace and Passion ☮  ("I'm listening....") 04:41, 2 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]

A PBS Nova source (https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/planecrash/minutes.html) has the quotation, and they say it is from this (http://www.project-tenerife.com/engels/PDF/Tenerife.pdf) document. Oddly, it is not in that document. It would likely be around page 57 (of the document's printed pagination), but it is not, all that is said is the report writer saying there were "logical exclamations of alarm." Unusually, as well, the "goddamn" quotation is not in the actual transcript-format part of the Nova article, it is in an associated paragraph, while earlier in the article they say the paragraphs not in the transcript itself are "NOVA annotations" (fabrications?). Peace and Passion ☮  ("I'm listening....") 05:05, 2 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]

Also not in Project Tenerife's HTML version of the recordings (http://www.project-tenerife.com/engels/cvrtranscript.htm). Peace and Passion ☮  ("I'm listening....") 05:18, 2 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]

The annex of the 1978 CIAIAC report (pdf page 94) and the 1978 ALPA report (pdf page 69) include the quote but had already censored the words the article is claiming were said. --84.66.238.118 (talk) 16:33, 12 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]

It really surprises me official investigation transcripts would be censored, in any case. Alas, now I'm not sure what to do about it (in the article mainspace, that is). Suggestions? Peace and Passion ☮  ("I'm listening....")'' 04:47, 14 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]

[Note: I just realized that a more thorough transcript is "hidden" collapsed in the article. I had not recognized this at first, hence my apparent confusion above. Nevertheless, it still appears problematic, and the now cited video narrator adds in the swearing, while a redacted transcript is shown on screen. This must be somewhere!] Peace and Passion ☮  ("I'm listening....")'' 05:06, 14 February 2023 (UTC) [reply ]

It doesn't look like the deadliest in aviation history, because 9/11 had more deaths. Even if this disaster had hundreds of people killed, American Airlines Flight 11 had thousands killed. 2607:FEA8:551D:8E00:3153:B49F:7ABE:F902 (talk) 01:22, 5 June 2023 (UTC) [reply ]

It says it is the deadliest accident. 9/11 was not an accident. Echoedmyron (talk) 02:14, 5 June 2023 (UTC) [reply ]

9/11 had more people killed in the WTC so it isn't counted as the worst crash in aviation history. Much wikieditor (talk) 16:41, 6 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Are we quite sure about the KLM jet's name? It is given in the article as Rijn, and while we can see the name Rhine (not Rijn) in the infobox photo, it is only painted on the fuselage fore. Aft, we see another name, The Flying Dutchman, seemingly in the same style of lettering. Furthermore, it is the only name that we can see in this picture. What is the explanation? Kelisi (talk) 06:34, 20 October 2024 (UTC) [reply ]

The Rhine is on the front File:KLM Boeing 747-200 PH-BUF (7491686916).jpg. The Flying Dutchman was apparently a marketing thing on (all? / many?) KLM aircraft. PH-BFF for example and PH-BUR --Dual Freq (talk) 14:59, 20 October 2024 (UTC) [reply ]

KLM usually has the Dutch name on the port (left) side, and the English name on the starboard (right) side of the aircraft. As for The Flying Dutchman, that's been on KLM aircraft for decades, even surviving the latest livery refresh in 2021. Aydo h8 ^[contribs] 02:55, 28 March 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

I suggest putting A WP:SILVERLOCK protection lock on this article due to the fact that the sheer scale of this crash and number of deaths may make it a target for internet trolls and vandalists. Much wikieditor (talk) 16:40, 6 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]