Talk:Sykes' monkey

It should be noted there is a dispute on the taxonomic designation of Sykes. Some categorize it as Mitis(cords, rowell 1986) some as Albogularis (groves 2005) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.191.29.171 (talk) 20:30, 11 September 2011 (UTC) [reply ]

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 28 August 2023 and 8 December 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Ral1092 (article contribs). Peer reviewers: Muffinwrites, Cjlewis1204, Axlra, Gmcb3345.

— Assignment last updated by Gmcb3345 (talk) 23:55, 26 October 2023 (UTC) [reply ]

I revised the only paragraph that was there, and made the information correct. I then added paragraphs on descriptino, distrobution, habitat, behavior, ecology, threats, and consorvation efforts. Honestly this page was barren and I had to write everything from scratch because the tiny information that was given was wrong.

Ral1092 (talk) 21:55, 27 November 2023 (UTC) [reply ]

You conflated this subspecies with the overall species. That makes things very difficult to weed out the subspecies-specific information. I've reverted the change. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:40, 28 November 2023 (UTC) [reply ]

@Ral1092: I've reverted you again. Please deeply review your work. This article is about a subspecies of the blue monkey, not the blue monkey species. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:32, 28 November 2023 (UTC) [reply ]

My research was specifically done on the Sykes' monkey, the subspecies. I am not sure why all of the work is innacurate when I specifically found research on that subspecies of monkey. Ral1092 (talk) 16:27, 30 November 2023 (UTC) [reply ]

Reverted again. Please do not restore this as is. Do not add information about taxa that are not explicitly about Cercopithecus mitis albogularis. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:29, 30 November 2023 (UTC) [reply ]

I'll go through the references you used one by one later today. But in a nutshell, taxonomy has changed and anything that is not explicitly written about C. m. albogularis is either talking only about a population of this subspecies, or about another species or subspecies. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:45, 30 November 2023 (UTC) [reply ]

Ok, here's the list of refs you added and what is wrong with them:

1. Dalton, Desiré L.; Linden, Birthe; Wimberger, Kirsten; Nupen, Lisa Jane; Tordiffe, Adrian S. W.; Taylor, Peter John; Madisha, M. Thabang; Kotze, Antoinette (2015年03月23日). Switzer, William M. (ed.). "New Insights into Samango Monkey Speciation in South Africa". PLOS ONE. 10 (3): e0117003. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0117003. ISSN 1932-6203.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (link)
   • Red XN Is about C. albogularis, which means it includes information on taxa that are not currently regarded as within C. m. albogularis, including some taxa that are now regarded as separate subspecies (C. a. erythrarchus is now C. m. erythrarchus) or no longer considered as a species/subspecies at all (C. a. schwarzi).
2. Lawes, M.J.; Piper, S.E. (1992年02月14日). "Activity Patterns in Free-Ranging Samango Monkeys (Cercopithecus mitis erythrarchus Peters, 1852) at the Southern Range Limit". Folia Primatologica. 59 (4): 186–201. doi:10.1159/000156658. ISSN 0015-5713.
   • Red XN As above, this is not in C. m. albogularis any longer.
3. Lawes, M.J.; Henzi, S.P.; Perrin, M.R. (1990年02月14日). "Diet and Feeding Behaviour of Samango Monkeys (Cercopithecus mitis labiatus) in Ngoye Forest, South Africa". Folia Primatologica. 54 (1–2): 57–69. doi:10.1159/000156426. ISSN 0015-5713.
   • Red XN Cercopithecus mitis labiatus is another different subspecies of C. mitis, not C. m. albogularis.
4. Lawes, M. J. (November 1990). "The Distribution of the Samango Monkey (Cercopithecus mitis erythrarchus Peters, 1852 and Cercopithecus mitis labiatus I. Geoffroy, 1843) and Forest History in Southern Africa". Journal of Biogeography. 17 (6): 669. doi:10.2307/2845148. ISSN 0305-0270.
   • Red XN Same as the previous two.
5. Jong, Yvonne A. de; Butynski, Thomas M. (December 2010). "Photographic Maps of the Primates of Kenya and Tanzania: A Tool for Identification and Conservation". Primate Conservation. 25 (1): 27–32. doi:10.1896/052.025.0107. ISSN 0898-6207.
   • Green tickY This one looks fine.
6. Emerson, Sara E.; Brown, Joel S.; Linden, Jabu D. (2011年02月01日). "Identifying Sykes' monkeys', Cercopithecus albogularis erythrarchus, axes of fear through patch use". Animal Behaviour. 81 (2): 455–462. doi:10.1016/j.anbehav.2010年11月01日8. ISSN 0003-3472.
   • Red XN C. a. erythrarchus again.
7. Butynski, Thomas M. (2004), "Conservation of the Guenons: An Overview of Status, Threats, and Recommendations", The Guenons: Diversity and Adaptation in African Monkeys, Boston, MA: Springer US, pp. 411–424, ISBN 978-0-306-47346-3 , retrieved 2023年11月16日
   • Red XN I haven't requested access to this, but from the summary which says 23 species and 55 subspecies of guenons I know it is using an older taxonomy. See guenon for the taxonomy we are using (which mostly corresponds to what the IUCN and ASM's MDD use.
8. Butynski, Thomas M.; Jong, Yvonne A. de (December 2014). "Primate Conservation in the Rangeland Agroecosystem of Laikipia County, Central Kenya". Primate Conservation. 28 (1): 117–128. doi:10.1896/052.028.0104. ISSN 0898-6207.
   • Red XN Doesn't even mention this subspecies. In fact the only C. mitis subspecies it mentions is C. m. kolbi.

Lastly, your changes to the lede are incorrect as well: Sykes' monkey ..., also known as the ... Blue Monkey, is a subspecies of the blue monkey. They are a type of Vervet monkey in East Africa. First, saying "blue monkey is a subspecies of blue monkey" is at best poor wording. Second, vervets are not only a different species, but they are in a different genus entirely!

@Muffinwrites, Magagne1, and Ian (Wiki Ed): FYI - UtherSRG (talk) 21:45, 30 November 2023 (UTC) [reply ]

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