Talk:Pirate Party of Greece

The entry[1] contains information which is the product of original research, has not been previously published, or checked by experts. If this is not the case, then please cite the sources which support the views expressed in the entry. Otherwise, please remove everything that arises from the editor’s personal opinion or his or her novel research. The entry presents certain events and views with an evident bias, and with a lack of balance in relation to their relative importance.

[1] http://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/Κόμμα_Πειρατών_Ελλάδας

and also in the following:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piratenpartei_Griechenlands

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_Party_of_Greece

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parti_pirate_(Grèce)

As the Pirate Party of Greece, we believe that Wikipedia should not be a place of argument (after all there’s space elsewhere for squabbles), but of encyclopedic facts only.We regret that some editors hold these views on our Party, but we would ask that the rules you have set as a community be kept. By no means do we wish to censor. We only request that Wikipedia’s basic rules are respected.

The Steering Committee

The Pirate Party of Greece

• This page is for talking about the English version of the article, which does seem to have referenced statements. Are there any statements in particular in this page that you want to discuss? Each Wikipedia language project runs independently, so posting here will not assist with de, fr and el versions. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 23:27, 3 May 2014 (UTC) Reply

The references in question have been removed from the current article so not really.Thank you anyway.

Warlordei — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:214B:8205:2600:41FA:2651:E90A:E81A (talk) 23:39, 3 May 2014 (UTC) Reply

Dear Administrators please protect this thread. The deletion of the name of the founder member is politically motivated. There are numerous sources that confirm this. Among other things, the Greek Wikipedia entry is highly accurate and detailed. There, Mr. Mariotti is confirmed as the founder of the party.PressFreeNet (talk) 20:41, 24 May 2014 (UTC) Reply

The only political motivation is from your side. There is no founder member. The only two sources to claim this are 2 interviews that this person gave to the german press (in german), in which he presented his false story. Of course he would not dare to state his claims in the Greek press where the rest of the founding members would see. Stop Vandalising wikipedia. You also mention the Greek article in wikipedia which has a clear warning that the content there is wrong (after you have vandalised it).

Also you have deleted the number of members of the party. And instead you write 25(!). Where did you find this number? It is the third time that you delete the correct number. Administrators please ban him if he does it again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.92.72.201 (talk) 21:59, 24 May 2014 (UTC) Reply

"And instead you write 25(!). Where did you find this number?" => maybe TYPO ?;-) Fraulakaramela (talk) 07:19, 25 May 2014 (UTC) Reply

Hello, I have removed this claim as it is poorly substantiated. The party's Statutes (in Greek)^[1] clearly state in article 3 para 10 that only members who have paid their membership fees are eligible to vote and be elected in the party's bodies. The only conclusion one can reach from the poll provided as evidence in the article is that, of the vote-eligible members of the PPGR, 22 participated in the poll. It does not provide any information w.r.t. the total (vote-eligible or not) number of members or the number of vote-eligible members. So, it is not a reliable source. Odysseus Giacosa (talk) 21:05, 22 June 2025 (UTC) Reply

If you want to leave a version of the page locked, please leave an unbiased version by removing antibaskin's controversial edits. The current state of the article is antibaskin's propaganda. Wikipedia is not a propaganda tool.

The following is Antibaskin's personal opinion and has no place in this article. "Due to the extensive censorship[6][7] that is practiced in the party by an undemocratic lobby , only 20-25 active members remain.[8] A new pirate party is planned. The new pirate party focus both in pirate principles and in direct democracy, and hopes to represent all disapointed pirates that left.[9]"

Also, he is correct that 800 members is not the correct number of members, the most recent calculation is 1165 (http://www.pirateparty.gr/get-involved).

Opanoseimai (talk) 07:57, 4 July 2014 (UTC) Reply

The number of 1165 members is inaccurate. It is a forgotten number, somewhere in the pirateparty web page. This number is the total number of citizens that used to be party's members. But today very few of them have paid their annual subscription, in order to have voting righs. Also the number 1165 is not an official number stated by the Steering Committee of greek pirates. Also according to party's statute , the 2/3 of the members are required in order to have an electoral cooperation. Recently the pirates cooperated in the european elections with Ecologist Greens. And do you know how many approved this electoral cooperation? 34 members only!!! Antibaskin (talk) 18:13, 4 July 2014 (UTC) Reply

I'd like to remind both of you that in such cases we should rely on third-party reports. Are there any recent media reports in Greece about the current number of members? De728631 (talk) 18:33, 4 July 2014 (UTC) Reply

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit protected }} template. There is useful discussion going on here, but there is currently no agreement on the number or reliable sources backing of either position. As such, I'm disabling the request until consensus can be reached. — {{U|Technical 13 }} ^{(e • t • c)} 22:09, 4 July 2014 (UTC) Reply

The number of 1165 members has a date 17/05/2014 next to it so it is clearly not a forgotten number. It is the official number of members up to that date ( https://www.pirateparty.gr/get-involved/ ), which is quite recent by the way. Also the paragraph "Due to the extensive censorship[6][7] that is practiced in the party by an undemocratic lobby" is Antibaskin's personal opinion. Also the claim that a new pirate party is planned due to this is completely false. The fake party that Antibaskin is promoting has extreme censorship (no comments allowed on its web pages unless they are approved) and has no respect of direct democracy (the person who created it is well known for his undemocratic behaviour in the pirate movement). Has thus failed to collect 200 signatures to become a party (one and half year now) regardless of Antibaskin's consistent propaganda in wikipedia (greek,english,french,german) and elsewhere and regardless of all the spam emails that have been sent from the creators of this false party. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Opanoseimai (talk • contribs) 19:42, 12 July 2014 (UTC) Reply

The number of members of the party is defined by those who have paid their annual subscription. The subscription fee is 12 euro, so the real number of members can be extracted by https://www.pirateparty.gr/finance/. If you look there , you will notice that the accurate number of members is about 20-30. Antibaskin (talk) 05:55, 17 July 2014 (UTC) Reply

No it clearly is not defined by that. The fee is optional. It is stated clearly on article 3 of the party statutes https://www.pirateparty.gr/katastatiko-pirate-party-greece/. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Opanoseimai (talk • contribs) 12:27, 17 July 2014 (UTC) Reply

The fee is not optional. It is totaly mandatory. Because if you dont pay the annual fee, you have no voting rights, thus and you are not allowed to participate in the party's decisions and politics. Those who dont pay the annual fee, they are expelled practically from the party. Antibaskin (talk) 15:49, 17 July 2014 (UTC) Reply

You are very wrong. You might have no voting rights for that year but this doesn't stop you from being an active party member, participate in the members section of the party forum, have access in the party's project management tools, have access in the party member's mailing lists, participate in party actions etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Opanoseimai (talk • contribs) 17:59, 17 July 2014 (UTC) Reply

This is in theory. In practice nobody (who didnt pay his/her annual fee) participates in that scheme. Because others, with their vote, command him/her what to do. Thats why the active members of the party are about 20-30, and the rest 1000 members have left long ago . Antibaskin (talk) 04:52, 18 July 2014 (UTC) Reply

That is once more in your mind. And this is your major flaw. You tend to write things that are only based on your flawed assumptions. Remember that this is an encyclopaedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Opanoseimai (talk • contribs) 06:40, 18 July 2014 (UTC) Reply

In the introduction, the article says the PPGR has 20-25 active members, based on the participation in anonline poll from years ago. This cannot be construed as a reliable indicator. The party, at that time, may have had considerably more members that did not bother to vote in that poll, and it may now have more members than the article says or it may have fewer. Therefore, this reference needs to be deleted. 2A02:A03F:6162:3F01:66DC:1AD1:9C35:44E4 (talk) 18:00, 10 February 2025 (UTC) Reply

• What I think should be changed:
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  It begins with a sharp criticism of the transnational and international Pirate institutions ([[European Pirate Party|PPEU]] and [[Pirate Parties International|PPI]]) for their inaction and silence on serious incidents of backslide in (削除) [[Press (削除ここまで)freedom]],erosionofdemocracyandtheruleof(削除) Law, (削除ここまで)lack of government accountability in [[Greece]], the [[Gaza genocide]], as well as procedural abuses by the leaderships of the PPEU and PPI to prevent any actual political discourse from taking place.

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  It begins with a sharp criticism of the transnational and international Pirate institutions ([[European Pirate Party|PPEU]] and [[Pirate Parties International|PPI]]) for their inaction and silence on serious incidents of backslide in (追記) [[press (追記ここまで)freedom]],erosionofdemocracyandtheruleof(追記) law, (追記ここまで)lack of government accountability in [[Greece]], the [[Gaza genocide]], as well as procedural abuses by the leaderships of the PPEU and PPI to prevent any actual political discourse from taking place.
• Why it should be changed: Per WP:MOSCAPS
• References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button): N/A

Rockfang (talk) 11:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) Reply

Done -MPGuy2824 (talk) 13:51, 14 February 2026 (UTC) Reply