Talk:Midyat

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I removed (from section "Gallery") the image "File:Midyat Kasri Nehroz 1370326 droste effect Nevit.jpg" which was subtitled/ described as "A picture of plants taken in old town that depicts the Droste effect". It does not show plants in the plural sense, it seems to me, but one plant, one wall, one floor(/maybe step), cloned several times. This IS, if I understand the article "Droste effect" correctly, a demonstration of Droste effect, but what is its relevance for the "Midyat" article? By whom and how was this arranged, composite image made? To me it is very doubtful that it shows a real, in this form existing passageway, as the rocks in the wall and of the ground look exactly identical again and again (look on right side over the arch and at light spot and diagonal line on floor, for example). The subtitle and the placement between ordinary places-photographs suggest this to be a place looking like this in reality somewhere in the town. When looking twice that becomes doubtful and the making of this image or the context of this work of art should be explained. I do not know if this is a picture montage made (by the uploader?) using a photo taken of ONE plant, arch, etc. in Midyat, or if it might be a picture or a very sophisticated kind of sculpture (although I doubt the latter, I think in looking even more closely the potted plant will be reveaveled as every time exactly the same, having been copied, too; not as several, naturally slightly different mini-(olive?-)trees) which is exhibited as a piece of art (which showcases Droste effect) in Midyat. I strongly tend to believe it is a photo-montage using a photo of one picturesque corner seen in Midyat. The image's file-upload title does not even suggest anything else, only the subtitle-description for the article's gallery is (was) misleading, no idea if intentionally or just from clumsiness. So in any case background information should be provided and based on this decided, if that should be in this article or go to the "Droste effect" article or is, unfortunately, not sooo relevant for either of the two, even though the image composer (the uploader?) has produced a nice and nice to look at trick.

Dear uploader, don't be angry if you are the artist, maybe you just have to think of a more correct subtitle/description to justify it to stay in the Midyat article. Maybe you are a(n aspiring?) photo artist from Midyat and can so describe it as montage-photo-art from Midyat made using a view of the town... The way it was subtitled in the article's "Gallery" section it presented itself just as a fake, like something a 'troll' had put there, a prank; or as something that someone has 'smuggled' in because the person is desperate to make people read the "Droste effect" article or to show off their work (the clones-image)... the latter might be o.k., WITH a clear explanation of what it is :-) ?

2A02:.&checktime(3033,0,75,':')7B:1:2:6734:7390 (talk) 12:52, 6 January 2023 (UTC) Reply

777network, I reverted your edits and asked you to discuss here before reverting back again. In your edit comment, you are referring to "point 1 on asilvering's talk page"; I have not been a part of the discussion you are referring to (to my knowledge). To answer your edit comment in your last revert:

• Ref 7 does not state "Syriac". It is a Turkish source. "Süryani" does not mean Syriac more than it means Assyrian, that would be your own opinion. I just noticed you were asked not to do this, here, right before your revert.
• Regarding the Safar family and the Deksuri and Heverkan confederations (ref 13, where I corrected the pages): The section where Gaunt describes these events is called "Kurdish protectors of Assyrians". He uses "Assyrians", "Syriacs", or a combination of these throughout the whole chapter. There is no obvious reason why you should revert back before discussing.
• WP:SYNTH: It does not have to be a combination of two or more sources for it to be your own WP:SYNTHesis.

Shmayo (talk) 10:38, 14 November 2025 (UTC) Reply

CC:ing my reply from talk page: I’ve only followed source-text integrity issues, I don’t know how you can claim that Süryani doesn’t translate to Syriac when Midyat’s own mayor himself translated it as such; https://www.instagram.com/p/DQqxKhADHaR/

Also see Midyat city’s own website, introducing the project and translating Süryani to Syriac; https://www.midyat.bel.tr/yeni-midyat-projesi

So, if the section name of a book is named something other than what the subject himself is described, you think that give reasons to change how the subject is termed? If that’s the case, Gaunt 2006 labels the population across all churches as Aramean early in on his book when presenting their numbers. I don’t think that makes a reason to describe the people as Arameans if they explicitly are referred to something else on the relevant pages.

You’ve been the number one driver in deleting anything Aramean related, objecting the entire Aramean draft, reverting any Aramean addition to articles, and now this.

777network (talk) 18:04, 14 November 2025 (UTC) Reply

See the last comment on your talk page on changing "ACAS identity names". I don't get the analogy, I am referring to a two-page section in the book. Shmayo (talk) 13:18, 19 November 2025 (UTC) Reply