Talk:Martin Luther

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Section sizes Section size for Martin Luther (37 sections) Section name Byte count Section total (Top) 13,456 13,456 Early life and education 29 8,527 Birth and early life 2,176 2,176 Education 4,150 4,150 Monastic life 2,172 2,172 Later life, ministry, and the Reformation 46 100,831 University of Wittenberg 954 954 Lectures on Psalms and justification by faith 4,551 4,551 Start of the Reformation: 1516–1517 7,645 7,645 Breach with the papacy 4,782 4,782 Excommunication 1,930 1,930 Diet of Worms (1521) 4,730 4,730 Wartburg Castle (1521) 5,102 5,102 Return to Wittenberg and Peasants' War: 1522–1525 6,663 6,663 Marriage 4,537 4,537 Organising the church: 1525–1529 5,721 5,721 Catechisms 3,414 3,414 Translation of the Old Testament: 1534–1535 3,870 3,870 Hymnodist 9,444 9,444 On the soul after death 6,861 6,861 Sacramentarian controversy and the Marburg Colloquy 2,521 2,521 Epistemology of faith and reason 1,163 1,163 On Islam 4,218 4,218 Antinomian controversy 5,438 5,438 Bigamy of Philip I, Landgrave of Hesse: 1539–1540 2,692 2,692 Anti-Jewish polemics and antisemitism: 1543–1544 6,423 6,423 Final years, illness and death 8,126 8,126 Posthumous influence within Nazism 11,807 11,807 Legacy and commemoration 4,090 4,090 Luther and the swan 2,585 2,585 Works and editions 1,075 1,075 See also 454 454 Notes 24 24 References 28 28 Sources 1,524 1,524 Further reading 3,643 3,643 External links 2,949 2,949 Total 150,993 150,993

the beginning of the article says "despite the fact that Luther did not advocate the murdering of Jews", however, later in the article, it goes on to say "In Robert Michael's view, Luther's words 'We are at fault in not slaying them' amounted to a sanction for murder. 'God's anger with them is so intense,' Luther concluded, 'that gentle mercy will only tend to make them worse, while sharp mercy will reform them but little. Therefore, in any case, away with them!'." is this not advocating for murder in at least some sense? in any case, the addition of "did not *directly* advocate the murdering of Jews" would clear this up. Buzgie (talk) 21:06, 11 September 2023 (UTC) [reply ]

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. This doesn't feel like the type of non-controversial change that should be made via an edit request without discussion first. PianoDan (talk) 18:19, 14 September 2023 (UTC) [reply ]

AGREE — Luther's words unambiguously advocated murdering Jews.

Peter Brown (talk) 21:05, 8 December 2023 (UTC) [reply ]

AGREE

Luther unambiguously advocating the killing of Jews. This is not a matter of dispute within scholarship, and Luther's very works that are sourced within this article confirm this.

This article demonstrates with sources already that Lutheran unambiguously advocating the killing of Jews. This is not a matter of dispute within scholarship, and Luther's very works that are sourced within this article confirm this. Ysys9 (talk) 11:54, 10 December 2023 (UTC) [reply ]

This is an unambiguous call for murdering Jews. It is tendentious nonsense - or illiteracy - to say otherwise. The beginning of the article is utter nonsense in disputing this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.151.17.68 (talk) 15:32, 19 April 2024 (UTC) [reply ]

added "directly" as per the above consensus. self-disclosure: I'm a Lutheran pastor Bastique ^{☎ call me!} 15:05, 7 July 2024 (UTC) [reply ]

Changes to be made in the style of the source code:

Change "==University of Wittenberg==" into "===University of Wittenberg==="

Add "==Ministry and Later Years==" to the line before the one referenced in the previous suggestion. Reformat if needed. RetroOortus (talk) 19:36, 15 June 2024 (UTC) [reply ]

Clarification:

Change heading "University of Wittenberg" to a subheading and in its place, put "Ministry and Later Years" RetroOortus (talk) 19:40, 15 June 2024 (UTC) [reply ]

Already done Unless I am mistaken, this has been done. Geardona (talk to me?) 00:39, 30 June 2024 (UTC) [reply ]

Most historians contend that Luther's work contributed to the antisemitism rampant in early 20th Century Germany and the rise of the Nazi Party. "Some historians contend" implies this is a minority opinion. The only thing that they seem to disagree on is whether his antisemitic works were taken seriously in the intervening years. This sentence deserves some clarification. Bastique ^{☎ call me!} 15:12, 7 July 2024 (UTC) [reply ]

I see that Luther's of influence in Nazi mentioned in the page. But it's there something in all totalitarian Luther's attitudes. Including in communists and Americans who create some perfect idealism book making every person good. FairfieldAve (talk) 04:24, 27 July 2024 (UTC) [reply ]

You will need WP:RS to add that. --Hob Gadling (talk) 20:44, 9 November 2024 (UTC) [reply ]