Talk:Jiaqing Emperor

Name of catholic friar executed during Jiaqing reign

Jiaqing gave Vietnam its name

Requested move 25 August 2018

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The result of the move request was: Consensus not to move (All the IP votes are by the nominator, per this Sockpuppet report), therefore, not moved. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 ^{talk to me | my contributions} 12:14, 2 September 2018 (UTC) [reply ]

Jiaqing Emperor → Aisin Gioro Yongyan (Emperor Renzong of Qing) – This article mainly talks about Aisin Gioro Yongyan, Emperor Renzong of the Qing dynasty, but there is an article which has a similar title "Jiajing Emperor" and mainly talks about Zhu Houcong, Emperor Shizong of the Ming dynasty, in English Wikipedia. In order to distinguish from each other, I think it is a good idea to change this article's title to "Aisin Gioro Yongyan (Emperor Renzong of Qing)". 111.194.18.194 (talk) 07:40, 25 August 2018 (UTC) [reply ]

• Oppose as the proposed title does not meet WP:COMMONNAME, WP:CONCISE nor WP:CONSISTENCY. It would also be against the an existing naming convention for Chinese emperors of the Ming and Qing dinasties, which sets that era names must be used. That articles for other Chinese emperors have similar (but not same) names is not an issue, as names are not equal and the articles do already use the "distinguish" template, preventing any casual reader from getting confused. Impru20 ^talk 14:51, 25 August 2018 (UTC) [reply ]

Because the two articles' original titles are so similar (the difference is only the fourth letter "j" and "q"), I decide to distinguish between the two emperors by using their birth names and temple names. It can also make the distinguish template unnecessary. In conclusion, my proposal can distinguish between the two emperors better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.194.18.194 (talk) 15:25, 25 August 2018 (UTC) [reply ]

There is a way to distinguish the articles without any move required (a move which would go against various Wikipedia policies and naming conventions) which would be the use of the distinguish template. Also you should know that sockpuppetry should not be used to create an illusion of support for a position. The three IPs which have intervened so far in this discussion share the same location, ASN and ISP location, aside from obviously similar behaviour; two of them began editing only on the day of this and other move requests, and the third one has been editing topic-related articles for some time. Impru20 ^talk 14:41, 27 August 2018 (UTC) [reply ]

• (削除) Support: Reason mentioned above. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.121.173.87 (talk) 06:23, 26 August 2018 (UTC) (削除ここまで) (Striking !vote, as this is a duplicate of the IP user's creation of this proposal – see the outcome of the SPI discussion). Impru20 ^talk 17:07, 31 August 2018 (UTC) [reply ]

• Comment. Both the IP that introduced this request and this IP are located in the same city and began editing the day of these requests, with edits only pertaining to a single interconnected set of move discussions. The IP here also filed a similar move request with identical editing idiosyncrasies (including adding the new request to the top of the talk page instead of the bottom) that may indicate a connection between the user(s) of these IP addresses. Dekimasu よ! 15:37, 26 August 2018 (UTC) [reply ]

• (削除) Support: Reason mentioned above. In addition, what do you think about the proposal put forward by 111.194.18.194, Dekimasu? You should focus on the page-moved proposal here, instead of the irrelevant behaviour of 111.194.18.194. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.124.233.241 (talk) 16:35, 26 August 2018 (UTC) (削除ここまで) (Striking !vote, as this is a duplicate of the IP user's creation of this proposal – see the outcome of the SPI discussion). Impru20 ^talk 17:07, 31 August 2018 (UTC) [reply ]

• Comment, also noting that this third IP account shares the same characteristics as pointed out by Dekimasu above. Impru20 ^talk 14:43, 27 August 2018 (UTC) [reply ]

To Impru20: I am innocent. I just want to back to the page-moved proposal itself, instead of talking about others so long to disturb this discussion. I know you oppose the proposal, but you shouldn't framed me without any evidence. If you continue to framed me, I can also report you to the administrators.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.124.233.241 (talk) 15:30, 27 August 2018 (UTC) [reply ]

• Strongly oppose I thank the proposer for a thoughtful suggestion, but Wikipedia policy and longstanding practice require that we follow the policies mentioned above, WP:COMMONNAME, WP:CONCISE and WP:CONSISTENCY. Few, if any, of our readers would recognize this name. ch (talk) 15:48, 28 August 2018 (UTC) [reply ]

I don't think so. Due to the minimal difference between "Jiajing Emperor" and "Jiaqing Emperor" (only the fourth letter), and the dynasties which the two emperors lived in (Ming dynasty and Qing dynasty) are too close, I support the page-moved proposal. I agree that it is necessary to distinguish them by their birth names and temple names. If we continue to obey the rules of Wikipedia mentioned above, the two emperors will still be confused.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.124.233.241 (talk) 10:44, 30 August 2018 (UTC) [reply ]

• Oppose not convinced the current name is the best, but the suggested change is clearly worse. The IP edits are concerning. power~enwiki (π, ν) 21:40, 28 August 2018 (UTC) [reply ]

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