Talk:Flags of stateless nations
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Articles for deletion This article was nominated for deletion on 24 October 2010 (UTC). The result of the discussion was Please can you go and discuss this somewhere policy related and come back to AFD when there is a clear view on what the policy should be? I recall my school encyclopedia had a gallery of flags and I'm sure we kept something similar at DRV as being clearly encyclopedic. AFD is not the forum for making policy and that is what is required here. .
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[edit ]Galleries belong on Commons, so this should be moved to Commons. 76.66.200.95 (talk) 06:52, 17 October 2010 (UTC) [reply ]
- Agreed. [tk] XANDERLIPTAK 07:08, 17 October 2010 (UTC) [reply ]
- opposed I'm not questioning the proposal, but I do question if policy is being applied equally here. All of the national flags articles are essentially galleries so if you believe that this action should be taken it should be equally taken on all of these articles and a wider discussion covering all of the articles should occur. In your reasoning for only selecting "Stateless" nations you state that the entries in this list are based on POV, yet a quick Google reveals a wealth of reliable sources identifying these entries as "Stateless Nations" they are not cited as such here but neither are any of the other flags or Arms in any of the other articles. If the debate is opened up to Gallery of sovereign-state flags,Gallery of dependent territory flags,Flags of unrecognized and partially recognized states,Flags of micronations,Gallery of sovereign state coats of arms,Coats of arms of dependent territories,Coats of arms of unrecognized states, and Coats of arms of micronations then I will remove this opposition. Stuart.Jamieson (talk) 12:22, 17 October 2010 (UTC) [reply ]
- I'm not sure what you mean by 'national flags articles'. There are articles that feature national flags, but also have good text and content: Flag of Australia for example. This is a paltry gallery, and the designation of stateless nation, as its own article points out, is inherently political and controversial; I question the reliability of any source that uses that name. If this article were deleted or debated, it would not preclude the deletions or debates of those other articles. Quigley (talk) 21:36, 24 October 2010 (UTC) [reply ]
- At the bottom of this article is a Navbox listing articles which contain lists of National Flags and coats of arms it lists 8 articles which are little more than picture galleries, these are the articles I listed in my last comment. So far two of these have been deleted, one by AFD and the other you PRODed. My concern is that the smaller articles are being disproportionally deleted without discussion of potential merger or porting to commons even though the deletion criteria (being a gallery) applies equally to the lager articles. As for sources, along with reliable sociologial and political papers and books, the UN and New Yorker identify some of these entities as "Stateless Nations" if you wish to disagree with them take it to WP:RS. I don't see the need to debate every article individually when the rationale for deletion is the same - this will just lead to the larger articles being kept despite having the same failing as the smaller articles. If you still want to delete, Afd the remaining 6 articles as a group and apply policy consistently to them all (and if the Afd comes back as a keep then there should be a discussion on reinstating the deleted information in some way) . Stuart.Jamieson (talk) 22:56, 24 October 2010 (UTC) [reply ]
- I'm not sure what you mean by 'national flags articles'. There are articles that feature national flags, but also have good text and content: Flag of Australia for example. This is a paltry gallery, and the designation of stateless nation, as its own article points out, is inherently political and controversial; I question the reliability of any source that uses that name. If this article were deleted or debated, it would not preclude the deletions or debates of those other articles. Quigley (talk) 21:36, 24 October 2010 (UTC) [reply ]
- opposed I'm not questioning the proposal, but I do question if policy is being applied equally here. All of the national flags articles are essentially galleries so if you believe that this action should be taken it should be equally taken on all of these articles and a wider discussion covering all of the articles should occur. In your reasoning for only selecting "Stateless" nations you state that the entries in this list are based on POV, yet a quick Google reveals a wealth of reliable sources identifying these entries as "Stateless Nations" they are not cited as such here but neither are any of the other flags or Arms in any of the other articles. If the debate is opened up to Gallery of sovereign-state flags,Gallery of dependent territory flags,Flags of unrecognized and partially recognized states,Flags of micronations,Gallery of sovereign state coats of arms,Coats of arms of dependent territories,Coats of arms of unrecognized states, and Coats of arms of micronations then I will remove this opposition. Stuart.Jamieson (talk) 12:22, 17 October 2010 (UTC) [reply ]