Talk:Eloisa to Abelard

The third paragraph of this article makes it sound like Historia calamitatum was written by Eloisa. But the wikipedia article on Abelard states that it was written by him. Clarification would be appreciated. Tomtab (talk) 19:07, 5 July 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

The removed section did not meet Wikipedia criteria for references or relevance and was becoming a dumping ground for unsourced snippets of anecdotal information. It needs to be stated in what way quotations of and references to Pope's poem are of literary significance, with a valid secondary source to back this - otherwise it counts as original research. It might be a good idea to read the guidelines first and then discuss the question here before reinstating such material. Mzilikazi1939 (talk) 07:44, 12 May 2015 (UTC) [reply ]

I definitely think that the movie Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind should at least get a mention on the page. TheThingy ^Talk 00:34, 9 October 2015 (UTC) [reply ]

I discussed the issue with User:Rowsdower45 in May and should have transferred some of what was said here. I refer you first to MOS:POPCULT. There may well be a valid reference to the fact that the film's title was taken from the poem, but that alone would not count as relevant. The significance of the fact needs to be demonstrated in addition, otherwise it's just anecdotal. If you look at the poem itself, which I recommend, you will find that the line there about "the eternal sunshine of the spotless mind" is not used of Eloisa's own situation but of someone innocent of any sexual relationship. The title has therefore been misapplied to the situation portrayed in the film. If you can find a valid discussion of the place of the poem in the film that goes beyond anecdote, please provide it here. The fact might then count as repetition of the situation of Eloisa in deshabille, another "profligate parody". Mzilikazi1939 (talk) 09:52, 9 October 2015 (UTC) [reply ]

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