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Military service

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Charles Koch is a major backer of "concerned veterans for America". Does anyone know if he served in the military and if not why not , conscription was in force.

Business oligarch

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The current lede describes Koch as a "business billionaire", but I believe it's better to use a more specific term when possible. In this case, Charles Koch meets the definition of an oligarch:

1. uses monopolistic tactics to dominate an industry;

2. possesses sufficient political power to promote their own interests;

3. controls multiple businesses, which intensively coordinate their activities.

The body of the article support the fact that Koch meets each 3 of these definitions. For the use of a word in the lede, it is not OR to apply a simple definition of a word, when the facts that the definition requires are well supported by citations. However, for those who would prefer to see the word in use:

1. https://www.cnbc.com/2012/09/05/five-oligarchs-whose-names-you-need-to-know.html

2. https://newrepublic.com/article/154636/oligarch-month-charles-koch-george-soros

I've created this page in case there's any disagreement about my edit. Feel free to revert if you disagree.

DenverCoder9 (talk) 05:50, 14 March 2023 (UTC) Reply

He feets the definition in every way. I also added him to the relevant category on oligarchs. Dimadick (talk) 09:21, 14 March 2023 (UTC) Reply

The MSNBC column is clearly marked "opinion", the American Prospect (where the "former reporter-researcher at The New Republic" was employed) seems to specialize in opinion and declares its "progressive prospective". I believe "oligarch" is a biased label, I disagree with its insertion, let's see whether others do. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 12:31, 14 March 2023 (UTC) Reply

Agreed it has a negative connotation, but disagree that warrants removal. The Koch brothers are known both to be (1) wealthy (~0.1% of all US wealth) and (2) to have a business interest in, and exert considerable influence on, politics in their home country. "oligarch" neatly summarizes this role. DenverCoder9 (talk) 23:50, 23 April 2023 (UTC) Reply

That's OR. Vast majority of sources avoid this phrasing. Best to just leave it as is. One's interpretation of the facts is not RS. Uhtregorn (talk) 01:27, 26 April 2023 (UTC) Reply

To apply the definition of a word based on facts in the article is not OR. Their wealth and influence on politics is well attested in the article. DenverCoder9 (talk) 04:18, 22 September 2023 (UTC) Reply

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