Talk:Etrich Taube

Featured on the Main Page on April 19th 2004 in the section "Did you know...": "...that the first military plane mass-produced in Germany was the Rumpler Taube in 1910?"

I'd sort of like an explanation of "the translucent wings made it difficult for ground observers to detect", myself. Translucent wings? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.95.153.7 (talk) 02:56, 4 May 2015 (UTC) [reply ]

The Taube did have a (very obvious) split rudder, although total rudder area was very small and rudder control was probably poor. Lateral control would also have been poor - not due to the use of wing warping as such, but because of the flexibility of the large monoplane wing - which would have tended (like that of most early monoplanes) to "warp" itself quite a bit without any help from the pilot! Those big warping extensions probably warped unevenly and unpredictably (enough to terrify a modern pilot!). I have changed the text slightly to reflect this. Incidentally - has anyone got access to a good source on this aircraft! The article badly needs cites. And what about the other "taubes" besides Rumpler's? there were quite a few manufacturers building very similar aircraft before 1914. --Soundofmusicals (talk) 22:40, 1 October 2008 (UTC) [reply ]

There was no war in the Balkans in 1911. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.110.220.113 (talk) 13:17, 26 April 2009 (UTC) [reply ]

Come on chaps , buck up. The Ludemann taube was only a plastic model of the real thing. Who's embarassed i wonder?Petebutt (talk) 15:44, 18 May 2010 (UTC) [reply ]

On November 1, 1911, the Italian pilot, Giulio Gavotti dropped the world's first bomb from air...

The first air to ground bombardement was actually from a gas-ballon, during the siege of Venice by the Austro-Hungarian-Empire under Feldmarschall Radetzky, during one of the wars of the Italian independence movement.-- 178.112.144.57 (talk) 15:12, 27 July 2011 (UTC) [reply ]

Like mentioned in parts of the article, it was first and foremost a plane from the Austro-Hungarian-Empire. Its not a german plane, they just built it in commission and also put it to service. Look for the article Fieseler Storch in comparison, which was a german plane, but built and used by many others.-- 178.112.144.57 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:20, 27 July 2011 (UTC).[reply ]

The designer was certainly Austrian. But we normally go by place of manufacture before nationality of designer in cases like this. Fokker and Koolhoven types designed for German or British companies, for instance, are German or British, not Dutch. Complicating this whole bit - the various models of the Taube are actually quite different designs - some of them fairly remote from Etrich's original, although they all incorporated at least some features he had patented. --Soundofmusicals (talk) 13:02, 29 July 2011 (UTC) [reply ]

There is absolutely no (German) record of Taubes being used to drop bombs on England at any stage of the war. The aircraft had a fairly short range - its airworthiness was by 1917 standards very marginal indeed, and the weight of bombs it could carry was miniscule by 1917 standards. In fact by this time the various Taube types had long been replaced for serious operational work by later types. A comparison of the Taube with the Gotha and Staaken types that DID bomb England would be instructive here. A mention of "Taubes" bombing England in a civilian (child's?) diary is either pure fantasy, or perhaps using the word "Taube" to cover all German aircraft - just as the Germans called all British pusher types "Vickers". --Soundofmusicals (talk) 12:40, 28 January 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

This whole article needs to be completely "re-done". The various "taube" aircraft were actually mostly distinct types in their own right - sharing a common wing format. I may even find the motivation to write a new article which will reflect this. In the meantime, I have excised this sentence from the lead.

As Imperial Germany's first practical military aircraft, the Taube ("dove") was used for virtually all military aircraft applications, as a fighter, bomber, surveillance aircraft and trainer from 1910 until the start of World War I in August 1914.

This sentence simply does not make very much sense - there was little or no concept of a "special role" military aircraft before the outbreak of war - for example, there was no such thing as a "fighter" before 1915 - and the roles of a "bomber" or "reconnaissance" aircraft were very fuzzily defined, and not restricted to any specific type of aircraft. To say (as we well might) that the taube configuration was applied to aircraft with no specific role is not very meaningful, as the same might be said of any aircraft conceived before 1914. --Soundofmusicals (talk) 01:11, 26 March 2015 (UTC) [reply ]

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