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jeanbaptisteC merged 1 commit from jb_rm_nw into master 2026年05月14日 11:54:30 +02:00
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This PR removes network in commuters trains data source file when frequencies is not enough important (one train per hour or less)

Signed-off-by: Jean-Baptiste jeanbaptiste.charron@outlook.fr

This PR removes network in commuters trains data source file when frequencies is not enough important (one train per hour or less) Signed-off-by: Jean-Baptiste <jeanbaptiste.charron@outlook.fr>
Signed-off-by: Jean-Baptiste <jeanbaptiste.charron@outlook.fr>
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How do you feel about lines that run frequent for a relatively small part of the day like some lines of Toronto Go Transit: https://assets.metrolinx.com/image/upload/v1776168028/Documents/GO/full-schedules/FS25042026/TABLE09.pdf ?
This line runs every 10 minutes during morning peak hours and half hour service the rest of the day. That is quite commen for commuter lines, which is the purpose of this csv file right?

I do agree that we can remove services with only few departures per day, but maybe we can put the barrier a little lower than for the rapid file (e.g. minimal hourly service) so we can easely add them to rapid if service improves.

How do you feel about lines that run frequent for a relatively small part of the day like some lines of Toronto Go Transit: https://assets.metrolinx.com/image/upload/v1776168028/Documents/GO/full-schedules/FS25042026/TABLE09.pdf ? This line runs every 10 minutes during morning peak hours and half hour service the rest of the day. That is quite commen for commuter lines, which is the purpose of this csv file right? I do agree that we can remove services with only few departures per day, but maybe we can put the barrier a little lower than for the rapid file (e.g. minimal hourly service) so we can easely add them to rapid if service improves.
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Ok, to keep this network
I have try to check network website of each operator, but find readable timetables is not easy 😫
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Ok, to keep this network I have try to check network website of each operator, but find readable timetables is not easy 😫 Updated
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Do you want to check all network removed?

Do you want to check all network removed?
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I'm looking into it now, but overall it looks good.

I'm looking into it now, but overall it looks good.
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Where do you think we should set the boundary? I've taken a minimum of 1 train per hour, also during weekends for this review, but we can raise that requirement if you want. (Maybe also relevant for the wiki that you are planning, even though we don't really use the commuter file at the moment)

Edit: I think we can do like you said: remove hourly service or less, but then I think we should keep services that sometimes run more frequent (but not the full day or not during weekends where we could say minimum is hourly).

It indeed is very challenging to find timetables of some obscure networks 😅

Where do you think we should set the boundary? I've taken a minimum of 1 train per hour, also during weekends for this review, but we can raise that requirement if you want. (Maybe also relevant for the wiki that you are planning, even though we don't really use the commuter file at the moment) Edit: I think we can do like you said: remove hourly service or less, but then I think we should keep services that sometimes run more frequent (but not the full day or not during weekends where we could say minimum is hourly). It indeed is very challenging to find timetables of some obscure networks 😅
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2022,Toyohashi,Japan,Asia,0,1,"137.2604,34.6614,137.3977,34.7703",train:豊橋鉄道渥美線,,https://www.toyotetsu.com/other/atsumisen_guide.pdf,
2023,Kuala Lumpur S-Train,Malaysia,Asia,0,5,"101.3777,2.445,102.2387,3.6943",train:Klang Valley Rapid Transit,,https://www.myrapid.com.my/clients/Myrapid_Prasarana_37CB56E7-2301-4302-9B98-DFC127DD17E9/contentms/doc/Klang_Valley_Integrated_Transit_Map.pdf,
2026,Bielefeld,Germany,Europe,0,4,,light_rail:,"BBOX: 8.47939, 51.97473, 8.64143, 52.06516. Add light_rail-tram (like WLB)",https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bielefeld_Stadtbahn,
2027,İzmir,Turkey,Europe,0,1,"27.317,37.945,27.444,38.151",train:İZBAN,,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/İZBAN,
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Quite frequent. According to wikipedia some lines even run 3 times per hour, so could maybe even be suitable for rapid.

Quite frequent. According to wikipedia some lines even run 3 times per hour, so could maybe even be suitable for rapid.
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1112,Patria - Proastiakos,Greece,Europe,0,2,"21.553,38.138,21.786,38.303",train:Προαστιακός Πάτρας,,http://www.trainose.gr/en/passenger-activity/suburban-railway/patras-suburban-railway/,
1113,Milan Suburbano,Italy,Europe,0,12,"8.568,45.141,9.626,45.883",train:Servizio suburbano,,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milan_S_Lines,
1114,Milan - Malpensa Express,Italy,Europe,0,1,"8.6987,45.4615,9.2248,45.6542",train:Malpensa Express,Airport link,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malpensa_Express; https://www.malpensaexpress.it/en/lines-and-timetable/railway-circulation/our-lines/,
1115,Naples - Circumvesuviana,Italy,Europe,0,5,"14.2547,40.6139,14.6365,40.9778",light_rail:Circumvesuviana,,https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrovia_Circumvesuviana,
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Has a frequency of 1 or 2 trains per hour.

Has a frequency of 1 or 2 trains per hour.
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1111,Thessaloniki - Proastiakos,Greece,Europe,0,2,"21.357,39.584,23.006,40.835",train:Προαστιακός Θεσσαλονίκης,,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proastiakos_Thessaloniki,
1112,Patria - Proastiakos,Greece,Europe,0,2,"21.553,38.138,21.786,38.303",train:Προαστιακός Πάτρας,,http://www.trainose.gr/en/passenger-activity/suburban-railway/patras-suburban-railway/,
1113,Milan Suburbano,Italy,Europe,0,12,"8.568,45.141,9.626,45.883",train:Servizio suburbano,,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milan_S_Lines,
1114,Milan - Malpensa Express,Italy,Europe,0,1,"8.6987,45.4615,9.2248,45.6542",train:Malpensa Express,Airport link,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malpensa_Express; https://www.malpensaexpress.it/en/lines-and-timetable/railway-circulation/our-lines/,
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Has quite a decent frequency of 2 trains per hour from what I can find.

Has quite a decent frequency of 2 trains per hour from what I can find.
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1106,Manila - Metro Commuter,Philippines,Asia,0,2,"120.95398,14.19649,121.17233,14.68058",train:SRTS,Added shuttle line,https://ppp.gov.ph/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/DOTC-Priority-Rail-Projects.pdf; https://www.pnr.gov.ph/getting-around/metro-commuter-line/maps-timetables,
1107,Salzburg,Austria,Europe,0,5,"12.78809,47.2783,13.27423,48.05055",train:S-Bahn Salzburg,,https://www.oebb.at/dam/jcr:69a41a9c-57a1-4c6d-9619-c67fd076d9a1/liniennetz_salzburg.pdf,
1108,Brussels,Belgium,Europe,0,12,"3.58978,50.59283,4.72824,51.22409",train:RER-GEN,,https://www.belgiantrain.be/en/travel-info/train-offer/s-train/s-train-brussels; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brussels_Regional_Express_Network,
1110,Athens - Proastiakos,Greece,Europe,0,4,"22.576,37.701,24.051,38.539",train:Προαστιακός Αθήνας,,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proastiakos_Athens,
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Mostly hourly trains with somtimes 30 minute frequency for what I can find.

Mostly hourly trains with somtimes 30 minute frequency for what I can find.
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1105,Yokohama - Yokosuka,Japan,Asia,0,2,"139.52293, 35.22487, 139.76942, 35.68318",train:横須賀線,Yokosuka and Yokosuka-Sobu section. Part of Tokyo suburban area,https://www.welcome.city.yokohama.jp/access/pdf/train_map.pdf (Yokosuka line),JR
1106,Manila - Metro Commuter,Philippines,Asia,0,2,"120.95398,14.19649,121.17233,14.68058",train:SRTS,Added shuttle line,https://ppp.gov.ph/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/DOTC-Priority-Rail-Projects.pdf; https://www.pnr.gov.ph/getting-around/metro-commuter-line/maps-timetables,
1107,Salzburg,Austria,Europe,0,5,"12.78809,47.2783,13.27423,48.05055",train:S-Bahn Salzburg,,https://www.oebb.at/dam/jcr:69a41a9c-57a1-4c6d-9619-c67fd076d9a1/liniennetz_salzburg.pdf,
1108,Brussels,Belgium,Europe,0,12,"3.58978,50.59283,4.72824,51.22409",train:RER-GEN,,https://www.belgiantrain.be/en/travel-info/train-offer/s-train/s-train-brussels; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brussels_Regional_Express_Network,
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Maybe keep this one here? It has a real hourly schedule and some lines more frequent if I remember correctly, just not enough to justify it for rapid.

Maybe keep this one here? It has a real hourly schedule and some lines more frequent if I remember correctly, just not enough to justify it for rapid.
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1013,New York - Long Island,USA,America,0,11,"-74.023,40.575,-71.923,41.127",train:LIRR,,https://new.mta.info/map/5361; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Long_Island_Rail_Road_stations,
1014,New York - North-Metro,USA,America,0,5,"-74.742,40.728,-72.884,41.852",train:Metro-North Railroad,,https://new.mta.info/map/5351,
1015,San Francisco - Caltrain,USA,America,0,2,"-122.8299,36.69265,-120.7782,38.01564",train:Caltrain,Inclues Baby Bullet separate service,https://www.caltrain.com/stations/systemmap.html; http://www.urbanrail.net/am/snfr/sf-bay-area-map.htm,
1016,Philadelphia - SEPTA,USA,America,0,13,"-75.8001,39.6395,-74.7015,40.3277",train:SEPTA,,http://www.septa.org/maps/system/,
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I'm not sure about this one: At least the Airport line has a 30 minute frequency on a part of the route, even during the weekend. Other lines drop to 1/h outside of peak hours, with only a 2 hour frequency during the weekend. However, these lines sometimes travel along the same corridor, creating a more frequent service.

I have no real preference for keeping it or getting rid of it.

I'm not sure about this one: At least the Airport line has a 30 minute frequency on a part of the route, even during the weekend. Other lines drop to 1/h outside of peak hours, with only a 2 hour frequency during the weekend. However, these lines sometimes travel along the same corridor, creating a more frequent service. I have no real preference for keeping it or getting rid of it.
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1012,Los Angeles,USA,America,0,7,"-119.273,33.1421,-117.1582,34.7416",train:Metrolink,,https://metrolinktrains.com/globalassets/about/map/metrolink-system-map-summer-2020.pdf,
1013,New York - Long Island,USA,America,0,11,"-74.023,40.575,-71.923,41.127",train:LIRR,,https://new.mta.info/map/5361; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Long_Island_Rail_Road_stations,
1014,New York - North-Metro,USA,America,0,5,"-74.742,40.728,-72.884,41.852",train:Metro-North Railroad,,https://new.mta.info/map/5351,
1015,San Francisco - Caltrain,USA,America,0,2,"-122.8299,36.69265,-120.7782,38.01564",train:Caltrain,Inclues Baby Bullet separate service,https://www.caltrain.com/stations/systemmap.html; http://www.urbanrail.net/am/snfr/sf-bay-area-map.htm,
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One of the two Caltrain lines has a 30 minute frequency.

One of the two Caltrain lines has a 30 minute frequency.
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I have reverted all networks that you have checked

I have reverted all networks that you have checked
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Do I understand right that the source_data/commuter_trains.csv is not used at the moment? So we don't need to announce this change in relnotes?

Do I understand right that the `source_data/commuter_trains.csv` is not used at the moment? So we don't need to announce this change in relnotes?
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Yes, cannot be use for now, need to move each lines to rapid.csv

Yes, cannot be use for now, need to move each lines to rapid.csv
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