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Created on 2009年09月03日 14:24 by ronaldoussoren, last changed 2022年04月11日 14:56 by admin. This issue is now closed.
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| msg92210 - (view) | Author: Ronald Oussoren (ronaldoussoren) * (Python committer) | Date: 2009年09月03日 14:24 | |
Note: this is mostly a reminder for myself to clean up the pythonw stub
executable
The current implementation of pythonw on OSX uses exec to start an
executable inside the framework, this is needed to be able to use GUI
functionality from the command-line without resorting to undocumented
and unsupported system APIs. To deal with selection between 32-bit and
64-bit the framework contains a number of python executables.
Using "posix_spawnattr_setbinpref_np", "posix_spawnattr_setflags" and
"posix_spawn" it is possible to do away with the additional executables,
leaving a simpler situation.
Nice to have features:
* python(1) on SnowLeopard has a system preference to select between 32-
bit and 64-bit:
$ defaults read com.apple.versioner.python
{
"Prefer-32-Bit" = 1;
}
(The "versioner" appears to be a private Apple library/tool,
reimplementing the functionality would be fairly trivial)
* It would be nice to have a command-line switch as well
* It would be nice if the stub executable could be reused by tools like
virtualenv without recompilation
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| msg92215 - (view) | Author: Martin v. Löwis (loewis) * (Python committer) | Date: 2009年09月03日 18:43 | |
Can you kindly report how architecture selection works? Is there a separate binary which execs? Some other magic? Asking primarily out of curiosity, but if it's a launcher, then (sym)linking it into a virtualenv might be sufficient. |
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| msg92232 - (view) | Author: Ronald Oussoren (ronaldoussoren) * (Python committer) | Date: 2009年09月04日 06:10 | |
Let me first explain in more detail why pythonw is needed in the first place: MacOSX only allows access to a large number of GUI-related APIs from application bundles (the symbols are of course always available, but the APIs fail when you are calling them from an executable that is not in an application bundle) This is why we introduced pythonw in framework builds of Python. Pythonw is a small executable that does nothing else but execv the real python interpreter that is in and .app bundle inside the Python framework (Python.framework/Versions/2.6/Resources/Python.app/Contents/MacOS/Pytho n). The full path to the execv-ed interpreter is hardcoded into the pythonw executable. To be able to switch between 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Python a 4- way universal build of Python creates 3 variations of the Python executable inside the .app bundle: Python-32, Python-64 and Python (the latter being 4-way universal). There are also 3 variations of the pythonw executable (such as pythonw-32) that execv the proper version of the interpreter. Using posix_spawn and the other API's I mention it should be fairly easy to create a simpler situation where we need only one copy of Python in the .app bundle, with the pythonw wrapper selecting the required architecture(s) before executing the real interpreter. Making pythonw fully reusable by virtualenv requires some more work, and requires more support code in virtualenv itself as well. One fairly easy way to accomplish easy reusability without requiring a C compiler is to use a large buffer for storing the path to the real interpreter, virtualenv could then patch the executable. Another option is to link the pythonw executable to Python.framework and then use dyld APIs to find the path to the Python framework and from that the executable. As an aside, virtualenv copies the shared library in Python.framework into virtual environments, this is needed because the framework build uses the location of that shared library to determine sys.prefix. |
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| msg92981 - (view) | Author: Ronald Oussoren (ronaldoussoren) * (Python committer) | Date: 2009年09月22日 10:48 | |
The attached file 'pythonw.c' is a first version of a better pythonw executable. This version uses posix_spawn rather than execv to start the real interpreter. The main advantage of the new implementation is that 'arch -ppc pythonw' works as expected, with the current version of pythonw the 'arch' command only affects the pythonw executable and not the real interpreter. Todo: * I'm not use if the '-X32bit' option is a good idea or not. The basic idea of this is to provide an easy way to force python to start in 32bit mode (for use in #! lines) for scripts that need it (basicly anything that needs to access Carbon GUI APIs, including most current Python GUI libraries) * The implementation of '-X32bit' is sucky, it contains a copy of the getopt format string from Py_Main in Modules/main.c * The path to the real executable is hardcoded for a standard framework install of 2.7 (easily changed to the same mechanism as used by the current edition of pythonw) What I'd like to do is link pythonw to the framework and use dyld introspection to deduce the path to the real executable. That's slightly more complicated, but would provide a clean way to reuse the executable in tools like virtualenv without recompiling. |
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| msg93057 - (view) | Author: Martin v. Löwis (loewis) * (Python committer) | Date: 2009年09月24日 07:30 | |
> This version uses posix_spawn rather than execv to start the real > interpreter. In what way is that better? It creates a new process (IIUC); therefore, I think that using it is worse than using execv. Anybody killing the pythonw process would only kill the wrapper. > The main advantage of the new implementation is that 'arch > -ppc pythonw' works as expected, with the current version of pythonw the > 'arch' command only affects the pythonw executable and not the real > interpreter. I suppose this would also be possible through execv? |
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| msg94634 - (view) | Author: Ned Deily (ned.deily) * (Python committer) | Date: 2009年10月28日 17:58 | |
For people searching the bug tracker, I've modified the title of the issue to make it clearer that there is a problem here on OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard with multiple architecture builds. As Ronald mentions above, the effect of using the pythonw "launcher" on 10.6 as it currently stands is to always prefer x86_64 (64-bit) over i386 (32-bit) when both are available. arch -i386 only forces the launcher to run as 32-bit; the execv runs the interpreter in 64-bit mode (if available). To get a multi-arch (32/64) interpreter to run in 32- bit, one workaround is to arch -i386 directly to the interpreter binary in the framework app bundle, typically: /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6/Resources/Python.app/C ontents/MacOS/Python But then, presumably, the GUI functionality no longer works. A more robust workaround would be to build a 32-bit-only Python (but ensure that -arch is forced on the build - see Issue7184). |
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| msg94638 - (view) | Author: Ronald Oussoren (ronaldoussoren) * (Python committer) | Date: 2009年10月28日 20:16 | |
Ned: I'm planning to use the attached version of pythonw, or a slightly updated one, for 2.7 and 3.2. This version will not be used for 2.6.5 or 3.1.2 due to backward compatibility constraints. I will look into the OSX launching issues though, it was my intention that universal builds had a way to select a 32-bit or 64-bit python but that code may be broken. |
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| msg95947 - (view) | Author: Ned Deily (ned.deily) * (Python committer) | Date: 2009年12月03日 21:07 | |
Another reminder: when implementing, make sure platform.architecture() always returns the correct results for bits. It seems the Apple patches in 10.6 don't handle that (it seems to always report 64-bit), probably because the code in platform.architecture() doesn't look quite robust enough. (I'll open a bug with Apple.) |
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| msg96184 - (view) | Author: Ronald Oussoren (ronaldoussoren) * (Python committer) | Date: 2009年12月09日 21:46 | |
FWIW: I now have a 2.7 tree with the new pythonw on my machine, open issues are: * Ensure IDLE.app gets build in such a way that the GUI works for all supported universal binaries (including a 4-way build on 10.5, where the system Tk doesn't work in 64-bit mode) * Update NEWS file * Port to 3.2 |
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| msg96857 - (view) | Author: Ronald Oussoren (ronaldoussoren) * (Python committer) | Date: 2009年12月24日 14:04 | |
I've committed the completed patch as r77031 (trunk) and r77032 (py3k) I will not backport to 2.6 and 3.1 because this is not a bugfix. |
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| msg97398 - (view) | Author: Ned Deily (ned.deily) * (Python committer) | Date: 2010年01月08日 09:08 | |
Note, r77031 and r77032 cause compile errors for OS X deployment targets of 10.4 or earlier. See Issue7658 for details and patch. |
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| Date | User | Action | Args |
| 2022年04月11日 14:56:52 | admin | set | github: 51083 |
| 2010年01月08日 09:08:34 | ned.deily | set | messages: + msg97398 |
| 2009年12月24日 14:04:10 | ronaldoussoren | set | status: open -> closed resolution: accepted messages: + msg96857 stage: needs patch -> resolved |
| 2009年12月09日 21:46:52 | ronaldoussoren | set | messages: + msg96184 |
| 2009年12月03日 21:07:54 | ned.deily | set | messages: + msg95947 |
| 2009年10月28日 20:16:55 | ronaldoussoren | set | messages:
+ msg94638 title: use different mechanism for pythonw on osx: universal builds always run 64-bit on OS X 10.6 -> use different mechanism for pythonw on osx |
| 2009年10月28日 18:25:04 | robince | set | nosy:
+ robince |
| 2009年10月28日 18:09:04 | ned.deily | set | versions: + Python 2.6, Python 3.1 |
| 2009年10月28日 17:58:45 | ned.deily | set | title: use different mechanism for pythonw on osx -> use different mechanism for pythonw on osx: universal builds always run 64-bit on OS X 10.6 nosy: + ned.deily messages: + msg94634 type: enhancement -> behavior |
| 2009年09月24日 07:30:16 | loewis | set | messages: + msg93057 |
| 2009年09月22日 10:48:54 | ronaldoussoren | set | files:
+ pythonw.c messages: + msg92981 |
| 2009年09月04日 06:10:53 | ronaldoussoren | set | messages: + msg92232 |
| 2009年09月03日 18:43:20 | loewis | set | nosy:
+ loewis messages: + msg92215 |
| 2009年09月03日 14:24:43 | ronaldoussoren | create | |