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Created on 2008年06月06日 12:37 by therve, last changed 2022年04月11日 14:56 by admin. This issue is now closed.
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| msg67765 - (view) | Author: Thomas Herve (therve) * | Date: 2008年06月06日 12:37 | |
A recent change in heapq implements it in terms of less-than: http://svn.python.org/view/python/trunk/Modules/_heapqmodule.c?rev=63827&r1=63675&r2=63827 Unfortunately, it breaks usage of heapq when a class only implements __le__ and not __ge__ or __cmp__. This is done this way in Twisted: http://twistedmatrix.com/trac/browser/trunk/twisted/internet/base.py#L159. If not mandatory, it would be nice if this change was reverted or that a backward compatible change was done instead. |
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| msg67779 - (view) | Author: Raymond Hettinger (rhettinger) * (Python committer) | Date: 2008年06月06日 18:46 | |
It would be better if the Twisted code changed to define all of the rich comparisons instead of relying on an accidental and erroneous implementation detail. The heapq change because other people's code that used __lt__ was breaking. They had some basis for the complaint because heapq is documented to match sort() which is also based on __lt__ (and so is the bisect module). |
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| msg67780 - (view) | Author: Thomas Herve (therve) * | Date: 2008年06月06日 19:08 | |
Okay then. At least the issue is recorded somewhere, if someone has the same problem. |
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| msg67781 - (view) | Author: Jean-Paul Calderone (exarkun) * (Python committer) | Date: 2008年06月06日 19:28 | |
The heapq documentation isn't very clear about its requirements. It does explicitly say that "Heaps are arrays for which heap[k] <= heap[2*k+1] and heap[k] <= heap[2*k+2] for all k, counting elements from zero." (this in the module reference for the heapq module, both in the Python 2.5 version and the in-development version) which might lead one to believe that <= (__le__) is the important operation. I don't know where it is documented that heapq behaves the same as sort(). I think the documentation needs some improvement to avoid this kind of confusion. It's very hard, often impossible, to know what is an "accidental and erroneous implementation detail" and what is a stable, public API. Also, I'm not sure why the code is being changed to accomodate newly written applications which never could have worked, breaking existing applications which did work, but I suppose that's just the decision CPython developers want to make. |
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| msg67783 - (view) | Author: Raymond Hettinger (rhettinger) * (Python committer) | Date: 2008年06月06日 20:17 | |
I'll fix this to accommodate both cases, __lt__ and __le__. After trying x<y and finding the comparison isn't defined, it can try (not y<=x) instead. Also, will document that either __cmp__ or all six rich comparisons should be defined for code that wants to run through sort, bisect, min/max, or heapq. The rich comparison PEP is clear on this point, but I don't think the affirmative statement ever made it to main docs: "The reflexivity rules *are* assumed by Python. Thus, the interpreter may swap y>x with x<y, y>=x with x<=y, and may swap the arguments of x==y and x!=y." -- PEP 207 |
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| msg67788 - (view) | Author: Raymond Hettinger (rhettinger) * (Python committer) | Date: 2008年06月06日 21:48 | |
Fixed in r63998. |
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| msg67802 - (view) | Author: Thomas Herve (therve) * | Date: 2008年06月07日 11:48 | |
Unfortunately, the modification didn't fix the problem. |
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| msg67952 - (view) | Author: Raymond Hettinger (rhettinger) * (Python committer) | Date: 2008年06月11日 12:08 | |
Thomas, please let me know if r64116 works for you. |
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| msg67964 - (view) | Author: Thomas Herve (therve) * | Date: 2008年06月11日 13:03 | |
Yes, the last commit did the trick. Thanks. |
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| msg67966 - (view) | Author: Raymond Hettinger (rhettinger) * (Python committer) | Date: 2008年06月11日 13:17 | |
Would like to make the 3.0 code use __lt__ only. Any objections? |
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| msg67967 - (view) | Author: Thomas Herve (therve) * | Date: 2008年06月11日 13:18 | |
Sure, that's fine with me. |
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| msg67968 - (view) | Author: Jean-Paul Calderone (exarkun) * (Python committer) | Date: 2008年06月11日 13:19 | |
I tried this too and then wrote a couple unit tests for this. The one for the Python implementation which tests the case where only __le__ is defined fails, though. Diff attached. |
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| msg67969 - (view) | Author: Raymond Hettinger (rhettinger) * (Python committer) | Date: 2008年06月11日 13:24 | |
I saw no need to complicate the pure python code for this. Really, the client code should use __cmp__ or define all six rich comparisons. |
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| msg67972 - (view) | Author: Jean-Paul Calderone (exarkun) * (Python committer) | Date: 2008年06月11日 13:50 | |
Thanks for the explanation. Unfortunately, even if we change our code to work with the new requirements, all the old code is still out there. Maybe this doesn't matter, since there are so many other incompatibilities between Python 2.5 and Python 2.6. And there aren't many cases where the extension module isn't available, anyway. It will be surprising and probably hard to debug if anyone runs into this, but I suppose it's possible that no one will. |
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| msg67973 - (view) | Author: Raymond Hettinger (rhettinger) * (Python committer) | Date: 2008年06月11日 13:54 | |
There should be no cases where the pure python code runs instead of the C code. |
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| msg105907 - (view) | Author: Maciek Fijalkowski (fijal) | Date: 2010年05月17日 15:05 | |
Hello. I would like to complain. It was decided at some point some time ago that both pure-python and C version should run against the same test suite and should not have any differencies. The reasoning behind it is that other python implementations might choose to use pure-python version and we should avoid surprises with random code crashing in obscure ways. Please don't divert deliberately those sources. Cheers, fijal |
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| msg105956 - (view) | Author: Raymond Hettinger (rhettinger) * (Python committer) | Date: 2010年05月18日 07:58 | |
All six of the rich comparisons need to be implemented or the result is undefined. This module never made guarantees for objects defining only one of the six. We could change the pure python code to handle both __lt__ and __le__ but that would make it much harder to read and understand. The C version supports and that is what runs by default. |
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| msg105989 - (view) | Author: Maciek Fijalkowski (fijal) | Date: 2010年05月18日 17:16 | |
I cannot honestly make much sense from what you said. My concern is whether python and C version behaves the same or not. It seems that in current version they intentionally behave differently, for simplicity and it's against policy of having the same functionality. I agree that it's an obscure corner case, but still. |
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| msg106003 - (view) | Author: Raymond Hettinger (rhettinger) * (Python committer) | Date: 2010年05月18日 19:45 | |
Am closing this. It would make no sense to change simple, pure python code to support objects implementing only one of the rich comparison methods. People implementing rich comparisons need to implement all six if they want to guarantee total ordering and to be usable by various modules that need to be able to make comparisons. FWIW, the C code is not guaranteed to be exactly the same in terms of implementation details, only the published API should be the same. And, for this module, a decision was made for the C code to support only lists eventhough the pure python version supports any sequence. |
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| msg106038 - (view) | Author: R. David Murray (r.david.murray) * (Python committer) | Date: 2010年05月19日 06:06 | |
For what it's worth, I agree with Fijal. I think the python version and the C version should behave the same, so that other implementations of Python can use the Python version and be compatible wtih CPython. |
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| msg133671 - (view) | Author: Éric Araujo (eric.araujo) * (Python committer) | Date: 2011年04月13日 15:25 | |
The global docs index has one entry for "comparison", which is http://docs.python.org/dev/reference/expressions#not-in This other page says that "in general, __lt__() and __eq__() are sufficient, if you want the conventional meanings of the comparison operators": http://docs.python.org/dev/library/stdtypes.html#comparisons Other useful bits: http://docs.python.org/dev/reference/datamodel#object.__lt__ http://docs.python.org/dev/library/functions#sorted http://docs.python.org/dev/library/functools#functools.cmp_to_key http://docs.python.org/dev/howto/sorting#odd-and-ends It may be useful to add more cross-links between those places (especially pointing to the first link). |
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| msg133682 - (view) | Author: Roundup Robot (python-dev) (Python triager) | Date: 2011年04月13日 18:16 | |
New changeset 103a2eb61069 by Raymond Hettinger in branch '2.7': Issue 3051: make pure python code pass the same tests as the C version. http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/103a2eb61069 |
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| msg133683 - (view) | Author: Raymond Hettinger (rhettinger) * (Python committer) | Date: 2011年04月13日 18:19 | |
Maciek, I added the compatability code to the Python version as requested. Now the tests pass for both versions. There is still work to be done to automatically run both versions against the test suite. |
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| msg133685 - (view) | Author: Roundup Robot (python-dev) (Python triager) | Date: 2011年04月13日 18:51 | |
New changeset 83e4765ec4cb by Raymond Hettinger in branch '3.2': Issue 3051: make pure python code pass the same tests as the C version. http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/83e4765ec4cb |
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| 2022年04月11日 14:56:35 | admin | set | github: 47301 |
| 2011年04月13日 18:51:05 | python-dev | set | messages: + msg133685 |
| 2011年04月13日 18:19:02 | rhettinger | set | messages: + msg133683 |
| 2011年04月13日 18:16:09 | python-dev | set | nosy:
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| 2011年04月13日 15:25:04 | eric.araujo | set | nosy:
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| 2010年05月19日 06:06:16 | r.david.murray | set | nosy:
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| 2010年05月18日 19:45:34 | rhettinger | set | status: open -> closed messages: + msg106003 |
| 2010年05月18日 17:16:13 | fijal | set | messages: + msg105989 |
| 2010年05月18日 07:59:00 | rhettinger | set | priority: normal -> low messages: + msg105956 |
| 2010年05月17日 23:12:45 | giampaolo.rodola | set | nosy:
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| 2010年05月17日 15:07:28 | exarkun | set | status: closed -> open |
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| 2008年06月22日 22:21:54 | rhettinger | set | status: open -> closed |
| 2008年06月11日 13:54:08 | rhettinger | set | messages: + msg67973 |
| 2008年06月11日 13:50:15 | exarkun | set | messages: + msg67972 |
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| 2008年06月11日 13:18:00 | therve | set | messages: + msg67967 |
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| 2008年06月11日 13:03:25 | therve | set | messages: + msg67964 |
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