[Dx-qsl] Italian post office discounting IRCs?

Tue May 1 21:10:55 EDT 2012

I do not take envelopes into the PO. I go in, and just trade an I 
RC(or more) for overseas stamps, then take them out and put them on the 
envelopes and mail them. They have never given me a problem that way. 
In fact, I had a couple dozen of the old style, when they started 
changing everything up, and took them all in and got stamps.
> Ron Lago <mailto:ac7dx at comcast.net>
> Tuesday, May 01, 2012 9:03 PM
> Thats why the PO is going broke
>> On 5/1/2012 5:55 PM, G. E. Janssens - K5WW wrote:
>> I guess I am very fortunate, dealing with this little post office in this little town. I know all three workers personally; but yes, I did have to train them myself, many years ago.
>>>> Every now and then I take outgoing QSL and unstamped IRCs with me when I know I'm going to be on the road early and won't be able to make it to my local post office, before they close. Yes, I could wait a day, or two, or even a week; but I don't want people to have to wait too long, for that precious QSL. So far, out of all the post offices I've visited all around TX, none of them knew how to "cash" an IRC.
>>>> After many failed attempts years ago trying to explaini to postal workers how it works I decided to keep a printout of the International Mailing Manual's pages that describe how to process IRCs in my glove compartment. And I take it inside with me, every time I visit a new post office. It works, all the time, with those who are willing to compare my printout to their own copy of the IMM. And almost every time he/se will thank me for them learning something new.
>>>> One place my explanation never worked was in Del Rio, TX. The last time I tried it I was asked to wait because the postmaster wanted to call the big post office in San Antonio, to check. Twenty minutes later he comes back; then claimed that he couldn't give me a stamp because the envelope was going to Europe but the IRC was issued in Japan. He said - literally: "you can only get a stamp for this letter if you mail it to Japan". Duh! Never even bothered to read the words on the back, nor check his IMM.....
>>>> I believe that most of these people's "hesitation" is based on never having seen one, and fear of giving someone free stamps. I understand that all too well; but there are some serious knuckleheads out there too!
>>>> Happy redeeming, 73,
>>>> Erik - K5WW
>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 20:21:21 -0400
>>> From: ku9c at ku9c.com
>>> To: lists at w2irt.net; dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] Italian post office discounting IRCs?
>>>>>> Be interesting to see if this is across Italy, or a specific post office. I ran into this in the US...they wanted to go thru the IRCS and determine the postage based on the date the IRC was stamped (made for a lot of fun for the unstamped ones!). Thats why I tend to keep whatever I need to exchange, go to the post office once, and plan to spend an hour 'educating' the employee about the task.
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------
>>>>>> From: "Peter W2IRT"<lists at w2irt.net>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:08 PM
>>> To: "'DX-QSL Reflector'"<dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] Italian post office discounting IRCs?
>>>>>> Hi all, I received a followup email from Gabrielle this morning explaining the situation. This is something to think about when sending recycled IRCs to Italian managers. The Italian Post Office redeems IRCs at different rates, depending on their country of origin: - Italian IRCs = 0,60? - European IRCs = 0,75? - JA/Oceania IRCs = ?2,00 - USA IRCs = ?1,70 - pjd -----Original Message----- All, Earlier today I got the following message from IK3GES, the manager for TT8ES. I'd sent off an IRC and a self-addressed envelope along with my request, and from the Google translation below, it seems as if the Italian post office only redeems IRCs for 0,75? instead of the value of air mail postage to the destination country. This would appear to be a violation of the UPU regulations and the end result will be the manager getting in an awful lot of IRCs but sending the cards out via the bureau. The worst part is that he requested 2ドル or 1 IRC on his QRZ.COM web page. Can anybody clarify
> o
>> r
>>> confirm this policy from the Italian postal service? If so, it would seem that G$$$ (or mint stamps) are the only way to go when sending to Italy. I'm guessing that the OM's local post office official does not understand or care about the regulations. ______________________________________________________________ DX-QSL mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx-qsl Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX-QSL at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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>>>> G. E. Janssens - K5WW <mailto:k5ww at live.com>
> Tuesday, May 01, 2012 8:55 PM
> I guess I am very fortunate, dealing with this little post office in this little town. I know all three workers personally; but yes, I did have to train them myself, many years ago.
>> Every now and then I take outgoing QSL and unstamped IRCs with me when I know I'm going to be on the road early and won't be able to make it to my local post office, before they close. Yes, I could wait a day, or two, or even a week; but I don't want people to have to wait too long, for that precious QSL. So far, out of all the post offices I've visited all around TX, none of them knew how to "cash" an IRC.
>> After many failed attempts years ago trying to explaini to postal workers how it works I decided to keep a printout of the International Mailing Manual's pages that describe how to process IRCs in my glove compartment. And I take it inside with me, every time I visit a new post office. It works, all the time, with those who are willing to compare my printout to their own copy of the IMM. And almost every time he/se will thank me for them learning something new.
>> One place my explanation never worked was in Del Rio, TX. The last time I tried it I was asked to wait because the postmaster wanted to call the big post office in San Antonio, to check. Twenty minutes later he comes back; then claimed that he couldn't give me a stamp because the envelope was going to Europe but the IRC was issued in Japan. He said - literally: "you can only get a stamp for this letter if you mail it to Japan". Duh! Never even bothered to read the words on the back, nor check his IMM.....
>> I believe that most of these people's "hesitation" is based on never having seen one, and fear of giving someone free stamps. I understand that all too well; but there are some serious knuckleheads out there too!
>> Happy redeeming, 73,
>> Erik - K5WW
>>>>> Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 20:21:21 -0400
>> From: ku9c at ku9c.com
>> To: lists at w2irt.net; dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] Italian post office discounting IRCs?
>>>> Be interesting to see if this is across Italy, or a specific post office. I ran into this in the US...they wanted to go thru the IRCS and determine the postage based on the date the IRC was stamped (made for a lot of fun for the unstamped ones!). Thats why I tend to keep whatever I need to exchange, go to the post office once, and plan to spend an hour 'educating' the employee about the task.
>>>> ----------------------------------------
>>>> From: "Peter W2IRT"<lists at w2irt.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:08 PM
>> To: "'DX-QSL Reflector'"<dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] Italian post office discounting IRCs?
>>>> Hi all, I received a followup email from Gabrielle this morning explaining the situation. This is something to think about when sending recycled IRCs to Italian managers. The Italian Post Office redeems IRCs at different rates, depending on their country of origin: - Italian IRCs = 0,60? - European IRCs = 0,75? - JA/Oceania IRCs = ?2,00 - USA IRCs = ?1,70 - pjd -----Original Message----- All, Earlier today I got the following message from IK3GES, the manager for TT8ES. I'd sent off an IRC and a self-addressed envelope along with my request, and from the Google translation below, it seems as if the Italian post office only redeems IRCs for 0,75? instead of the value of air mail postage to the destination country. This would appear to be a violation of the UPU regulations and the end result will be the manager getting in an awful lot of IRCs but sending the cards out via the bureau. The worst part is that he requested 2ドル or 1 IRC on his QRZ.COM web page. Can anybody clarify o
> r
>> confirm this policy from the Italian postal service? If so, it would seem that G$$$ (or mint stamps) are the only way to go when sending to Italy. I'm guessing that the OM's local post office official does not understand or care about the regulations. ______________________________________________________________ DX-QSL mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx-qsl Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX-QSL at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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>> Steven WheatleyKU9C <mailto:ku9c at ku9c.com>
> Tuesday, May 01, 2012 8:21 PM
> Be interesting to see if this is across Italy, or a specific post 
> office. I ran into this in the US...they wanted to go thru the IRCS 
> and determine the postage based on the date the IRC was stamped (made 
> for a lot of fun for the unstamped ones!). Thats why I tend to keep 
> whatever I need to exchange, go to the post office once, and plan to 
> spend an hour 'educating' the employee about the task.
>> ----------------------------------------
>> From: "Peter W2IRT" <lists at w2irt.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:08 PM
> To: "'DX-QSL Reflector'" <dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] Italian post office discounting IRCs?
>> Hi all, I received a followup email from Gabrielle this morning 
> explaining the situation. This is something to think about when 
> sending recycled IRCs to Italian managers. The Italian Post Office 
> redeems IRCs at different rates, depending on their country of origin: 
> - Italian IRCs = 0,60? - European IRCs = 0,75? - JA/Oceania IRCs = 
> ?2,00 - USA IRCs = ?1,70 - pjd -----Original Message----- All, Earlier 
> today I got the following message from IK3GES, the manager for TT8ES. 
> I'd sent off an IRC and a self-addressed envelope along with my 
> request, and from the Google translation below, it seems as if the 
> Italian post office only redeems IRCs for 0,75? instead of the value 
> of air mail postage to the destination country. This would appear to 
> be a violation of the UPU regulations and the end result will be the 
> manager getting in an awful lot of IRCs but sending the cards out via 
> the bureau. The worst part is that he requested 2ドル or 1 IRC on his 
> QRZ.COM web page. Can anybody clarify or
> confirm this policy from the Italian postal service? If so, it would 
> seem that G$$$ (or mint stamps) are the only way to go when sending to 
> Italy. I'm guessing that the OM's local post office official does not 
> understand or care about the regulations. 
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