[Dx-qsl] LU QSL's

Sat Jan 15 18:56:04 EST 2011

Geez guys get with it. I'm 61 years old and have used those for years. Your mileage may very, void where prohibited by law. 
Cul (see you later)
73 (best wishes) de (from) steve kz2i
On Jan 15, 2011, at 18:31, "KE1JF-Tom" <ke1jf at cox.net> wrote:
> And I've been seeing YMMV also lately & can't figure that one out either.
>> Tom, KE1JF
>> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Paul Ciezniak" <pciezniak at comcast.net>
> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 5:35 PM
> To: "Ron Notarius W3WN" <wn3vaw at verizon.net>; <DX-QSL at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] LU QSL's
>>> What does VWPBL(STn) mean? What does it add to the presentation or
>> statement?
>>>> I don't understand the compulsion to use these esoteric alphabetics and 
>> what
>> they do for the presentor or viewer.
>>>> 73, K1SEZ
>> Paul
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ron Notarius W3WN" <wn3vaw at verizon.net>
>> To: <DX-QSL at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 8:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] LU QSL's
>>>>>> Funny, this same topic just cropped up on a DX list I subscribe to.
>>>> Another suggestion: Make your request look as much like a commercial
>> mailing as possible.
>>>> A few years back, I was having difficulty getting a 30 meter card from a
>> particular SA country. I contacted the ham via email, learned that he'd
>> never received any of the requests. Next request, with permission from 
>> the
>> powers that be, was in a company envelope professionally printed with our
>> logo and return address. He got it 2 weeks later, I had my card 2 weeks
>> after that.
>>>> This won't work if most or all mail to a particular ham is being, shall we
>> say, intercepted for individualized processing. But odds are that if the
>> thieves are being more selective, they will figure a bill from an 
>> insurance
>> company won't have IRC's or cash in it!
>>>> YMMV. VWPBL(STn)
>>>> 73, ron w3wn
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dx-qsl-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
>> [mailto:dx-qsl-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
>> On Behalf Of Cicero Xavier Silva
>> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 7:23 AM
>> To: Ken Scheper
>> Cc: DX-QSL at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] LU QSL's
>>>> There are thieves every place of the world. Here also!
>>>> I suggest:
>>>> 1) Don't write in the envelope words as "Amateur Radio Station"
>>>> 2) Don't write the CALL of the station. Just write the name.
>>>> Those small steps can help to divert the attention on the content of the
>> envelope.
>> Ciro, PY7ZY
>>>>>> 2011年1月15日 Ken Scheper <kenshep at one.net>
>>>>> Tnx Tony...
>>>>>> Well, without taking up any more space, I would say that if you were also
>>> experiencing the same problem internally, that we from the outside would
>>> have many times the problem. I have used every trick I can think of
>>> sending cards and have beaten every country's problems other than
>>> Argentina.
>>>>>> I suppose I'll have to resort to registered mail, but if the QSL ends up
>> in
>>> the trash anyway, what is the difference? I feel that there are good
>>> people
>>> that keep cards moving, and bad people that steal what they can. As I
>> said
>>> earlier, a card in country seems to be better than from the outside going
>>> in.
>>>>>> Poverty seems to drive individuals to do things that normally aren't
>>> accepted. Envy also drives those same individuals, since hams in many
>>> countries are seen as the "elite" in the income structure.
>>>>>> Do I have an idea of how to correct this situation? Other than a secure
>>> routing from something as I had described earlier, with cards going in
>>> monitored by a trusted person, and being sent out in a return guised 
>>> form,
>>> maybe nothing else would work. I'm going to try once more with air mail
>>> going in, with no return address, in a secured envelope. I'll have to 
>>> see
>>> after that.
>>>>>> 73 All
>>> Ken
>>> WA8JOC
>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Tony" <mdqmon at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 21:58
>>> To: <DX-QSL at mailman.qth.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] LU QSL's
>>>>>>> You're right Ken.
>>>>>>>> Many letters are lost in the process of receiving, sorting and 
>>>> delivery.
>>> I
>>>> don't know why exactly
>>>> but I think it is a conbinación of neglect and crime. I know that many
>>>> cards are stolen their values
>>>> (IRC or $) and never reached their destination, or come open.
>>>> Talking to an old postman, he taught me how they realized if a letter
>> had
>>>> u,ドル you can believe it?
>>>> I think if they suspect a letter can have something valuable, they can
>>>> open it without remorse, then
>>>> if there really is some value, Lucky! if not, to trash! The recipient
>>> will
>>>> never know what happened
>>>> to the letter!
>>>> I have only 50% return on my shipments to DX, the other 50% I do not
>> know
>>>> what happened, even OQSL!.
>>>> Some were probably stolen in the post office. And the Argentine mail is
>>>> not cheap!
>>>> I'm seriously thinking for a manager ...
>>>>>>>> Tips:
>>>> - Choose who have managers outside Argentina.
>>>> - Choose who will not require IRC or $ (like me) This decreases the
>>>> possibility of loss
>>>> -Hams that are not associated with any radio club recive no qsl via
>>>> bureau. There are many.
>>>> - If you have to send IRC or $ make sure they are well hidden inside 
>>>> the
>>>> envelope and go unnoticed
>>>> in
>>>> the handling.
>>>> - If you send your QSL to an individual, let her know that you are
>>> sending
>>>> a QSL if you have the
>>>> e-mail. This will not help in the delivery but in this way may claim 
>>>> the
>>>> post office with valid and
>>>> accurate data. Many claims require to improve service.
>>>> - Send registered mail if possible.
>>>>>>>> Another problem is the Bureau. This works very slowly. (actually 
>>>> works?)
>>> I
>>>> have had interviews with
>>>> bureau managers and they say the buerau is working fine, I do not know,
>> I
>>>> send hundreds of cards
>>>> every year and
>>>> only get 30 or 40 once a year or every two years only if I call them
>>>> repeatedly asking for my cards.
>>>> In my local radio club we offered to help sort and send the cards, but
>>>> never got response.... that
>>>> if a real black hole!
>>>>>>>> I'm sure there are other countries with problems in the mail and in the
>>>> bureau. How fix the problem?
>>>> Any help?
>>>>>>>> Tony LU2DKN
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Ken Scheper" <kenshep at one.net>
>>>> To: "DX QSL Posts" <DX-QSL at mailman.qth.net>
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 6:45 PM
>>>> Subject: [Dx-qsl] LU QSL's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Argentina seems to be a "black hole" for direct cards getting "lost".
>>> It
>>>>> takes years to receive a
>>>>> turnaround via the buro, and I understand that delay. Direct cards
>> that
>>>>> I have sent for several
>>>>> band/expedition stations have never been responded to. Is the only 
>>>>> way
>>>>> to get a QSL via
>>>>> registered mail? Even some of the other difficult postal security
>>>>> countries, I've been able to go
>>>>> direct without this additional step. Have there been others that only
>>> go
>>>>> registered to certain
>>>>> countries now.
>>>>>>>>>> A number of years ago I was able to get 8 LU cards via an amateur from
>>>>> Florida who charged a
>>>>> handling fee, but then traveled to Argentina and mailed them 
>>>>> internally
>>>>> within the country using
>>>>> LU's postage stamps. Those were 100% received. I've been looking for
>>>>> his call/name but think it
>>>>> got wiped out in my computer crash of 2003.
>>>>>>>>>> Any other ideas?
>>>>>>>>>> 73
>>>>> Ken
>>>>> WA8JOC
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