[Dx-qsl] LU QSL's

Sat Jan 15 18:31:48 EST 2011

And I've been seeing YMMV also lately & can't figure that one out either.
Tom, KE1JF
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From: "Paul Ciezniak" <pciezniak at comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 5:35 PM
To: "Ron Notarius W3WN" <wn3vaw at verizon.net>; <DX-QSL at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] LU QSL's
> What does VWPBL(STn) mean? What does it add to the presentation or
> statement?
>> I don't understand the compulsion to use these esoteric alphabetics and 
> what
> they do for the presentor or viewer.
>> 73, K1SEZ
> Paul
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ron Notarius W3WN" <wn3vaw at verizon.net>
> To: <DX-QSL at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 8:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] LU QSL's
>>> Funny, this same topic just cropped up on a DX list I subscribe to.
>> Another suggestion: Make your request look as much like a commercial
> mailing as possible.
>> A few years back, I was having difficulty getting a 30 meter card from a
> particular SA country. I contacted the ham via email, learned that he'd
> never received any of the requests. Next request, with permission from 
> the
> powers that be, was in a company envelope professionally printed with our
> logo and return address. He got it 2 weeks later, I had my card 2 weeks
> after that.
>> This won't work if most or all mail to a particular ham is being, shall we
> say, intercepted for individualized processing. But odds are that if the
> thieves are being more selective, they will figure a bill from an 
> insurance
> company won't have IRC's or cash in it!
>> YMMV. VWPBL(STn)
>> 73, ron w3wn
>> -----Original Message-----
> From: dx-qsl-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
> [mailto:dx-qsl-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
> On Behalf Of Cicero Xavier Silva
> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 7:23 AM
> To: Ken Scheper
> Cc: DX-QSL at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] LU QSL's
>> There are thieves every place of the world. Here also!
>> I suggest:
>> 1) Don't write in the envelope words as "Amateur Radio Station"
>> 2) Don't write the CALL of the station. Just write the name.
>> Those small steps can help to divert the attention on the content of the
> envelope.
> Ciro, PY7ZY
>>> 2011年1月15日 Ken Scheper <kenshep at one.net>
>>> Tnx Tony...
>>>> Well, without taking up any more space, I would say that if you were also
>> experiencing the same problem internally, that we from the outside would
>> have many times the problem. I have used every trick I can think of
>> sending cards and have beaten every country's problems other than
>> Argentina.
>>>> I suppose I'll have to resort to registered mail, but if the QSL ends up
> in
>> the trash anyway, what is the difference? I feel that there are good
>> people
>> that keep cards moving, and bad people that steal what they can. As I
> said
>> earlier, a card in country seems to be better than from the outside going
>> in.
>>>> Poverty seems to drive individuals to do things that normally aren't
>> accepted. Envy also drives those same individuals, since hams in many
>> countries are seen as the "elite" in the income structure.
>>>> Do I have an idea of how to correct this situation? Other than a secure
>> routing from something as I had described earlier, with cards going in
>> monitored by a trusted person, and being sent out in a return guised 
>> form,
>> maybe nothing else would work. I'm going to try once more with air mail
>> going in, with no return address, in a secured envelope. I'll have to 
>> see
>> after that.
>>>> 73 All
>> Ken
>> WA8JOC
>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Tony" <mdqmon at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 21:58
>> To: <DX-QSL at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] LU QSL's
>>>> > You're right Ken.
>> >
>> > Many letters are lost in the process of receiving, sorting and 
>> > delivery.
>> I
>> > don't know why exactly
>> > but I think it is a conbinación of neglect and crime. I know that many
>> > cards are stolen their values
>> > (IRC or $) and never reached their destination, or come open.
>> > Talking to an old postman, he taught me how they realized if a letter
> had
>> > u,ドル you can believe it?
>> > I think if they suspect a letter can have something valuable, they can
>> > open it without remorse, then
>> > if there really is some value, Lucky! if not, to trash! The recipient
>> will
>> > never know what happened
>> > to the letter!
>> > I have only 50% return on my shipments to DX, the other 50% I do not
> know
>> > what happened, even OQSL!.
>> > Some were probably stolen in the post office. And the Argentine mail is
>> > not cheap!
>> > I'm seriously thinking for a manager ...
>> >
>> > Tips:
>> > - Choose who have managers outside Argentina.
>> > - Choose who will not require IRC or $ (like me) This decreases the
>> > possibility of loss
>> > -Hams that are not associated with any radio club recive no qsl via
>> > bureau. There are many.
>> > - If you have to send IRC or $ make sure they are well hidden inside 
>> > the
>> > envelope and go unnoticed
>> > in
>> > the handling.
>> > - If you send your QSL to an individual, let her know that you are
>> sending
>> > a QSL if you have the
>> > e-mail. This will not help in the delivery but in this way may claim 
>> > the
>> > post office with valid and
>> > accurate data. Many claims require to improve service.
>> > - Send registered mail if possible.
>> >
>> > Another problem is the Bureau. This works very slowly. (actually 
>> > works?)
>> I
>> > have had interviews with
>> > bureau managers and they say the buerau is working fine, I do not know,
> I
>> > send hundreds of cards
>> > every year and
>> > only get 30 or 40 once a year or every two years only if I call them
>> > repeatedly asking for my cards.
>> > In my local radio club we offered to help sort and send the cards, but
>> > never got response.... that
>> > if a real black hole!
>> >
>> > I'm sure there are other countries with problems in the mail and in the
>> > bureau. How fix the problem?
>> > Any help?
>> >
>> > Tony LU2DKN
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Ken Scheper" <kenshep at one.net>
>> > To: "DX QSL Posts" <DX-QSL at mailman.qth.net>
>> > Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 6:45 PM
>> > Subject: [Dx-qsl] LU QSL's
>> >
>> >
>> >> Argentina seems to be a "black hole" for direct cards getting "lost".
>> It
>> >> takes years to receive a
>> >> turnaround via the buro, and I understand that delay. Direct cards
> that
>> >> I have sent for several
>> >> band/expedition stations have never been responded to. Is the only 
>> >> way
>> >> to get a QSL via
>> >> registered mail? Even some of the other difficult postal security
>> >> countries, I've been able to go
>> >> direct without this additional step. Have there been others that only
>> go
>> >> registered to certain
>> >> countries now.
>> >>
>> >> A number of years ago I was able to get 8 LU cards via an amateur from
>> >> Florida who charged a
>> >> handling fee, but then traveled to Argentina and mailed them 
>> >> internally
>> >> within the country using
>> >> LU's postage stamps. Those were 100% received. I've been looking for
>> >> his call/name but think it
>> >> got wiped out in my computer crash of 2003.
>> >>
>> >> Any other ideas?
>> >>
>> >> 73
>> >> Ken
>> >> WA8JOC
>> >>
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