[Dx-qsl] SSL added to MyQsl Service

Tue Dec 18 20:04:54 EST 2007

Les,
 You've been eating too many sour peaches. Ma Bell was in a regulated 
business. ARRL is not!
I can tell from your statement, "Even the ARRL must play by the legal rules 
(federal laws). " That you don't have a clue what your talking about here.
As Lincoln once said " Being dumb is not bad, to open one's mouth and prove 
it is indeed another matter". Or, something like that. You get the gist.
 You and I and evryone knows that you can doctor anything digitally 
rendered. It's done every minute of every day. Your method is totally open 
to fraud.
One can even make Hillary attractive. Hi!
 LOTW is completely different or maybe your not knowledgeable about it. A 
station submits a log (securely) and everyone submits their log, again 
securely. The two MUST MATCH or no credit. COMPLETELY different then your 
method.
 If you don't like the LOTW, write a white paper to you section manager. You 
do GET TO VOTE.
de K7PT
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From: <w4sco at sco-inc.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 5:47 PM
To: "Chuck" <cdegard at cox.net>
Cc: <dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: RE: [Dx-qsl] SSL added to MyQsl Service
> Remember the old telephone company (Ma Bell)? They thought they made
> their rules too until a federal judge ordered them to break up. Ma Bell
> could not continue their monopoly. Even the ARRL must play by the legal
> rules (federal laws). The ARRL rules states that electronic submission
> is not acceptable ... with one exception, their own program (LOTW).
> Wonder what happens if I can show that MyQsl is also secure?
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] SSL added to MyQsl Service
>> From: "Chuck" <cdegard at cox.net>
>> Date: Tue, December 18, 2007 7:33 pm
>> To: <w4sco at sco-inc.org>, <dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net>
>>>> Les,
>>>> Don't forget. The DXCC program is the ARRL's and they make the rules. If 
>> you
>> don't like'em, go play another game. It might be solitaire.
>>>> de K7PT
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: <w4sco at sco-inc.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 4:56 PM
>> To: "Ron Notarius W3WN" <wn3vaw at verizon.net>
>> Cc: <dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: RE: [Dx-qsl] SSL added to MyQsl Service
>>>> >
>> >
>> >> -------- Original Message --------
>> >> Subject: RE: [Dx-qsl] SSL added to MyQsl Service
>> >> From: "Ron Notarius W3WN" <wn3vaw at verizon.net>
>> >> Date: Tue, December 18, 2007 5:52 pm
>> >> To: <w4sco at sco-inc.org>
>> >> Cc: <dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net>
>> >>
>> >> I'll give you credit for chutzpah, sir, but that's all.
>> >>
>> >> Threatening to take the ARRL to court for restraint of trade for not
>> >> giving
>> >> you recognition? When you haven't yet asked them (as you have told me
>> >> yourself in private emails)?
>> >
>> > I don't believe that is what I said. I probably did say that I am
>> > developing a new method of exchanging qsl cards. After I get it to the
>> > point where I am confident that it is secure I will start to get award
>> > organizations to accept it. if the ARRL (at that time) decided to
>> > continue their (there is only one acceptable form of electronic
>> > submission ... and it is LOTW ... their own program). Then I would have
>> > cause to believe that there were attempting to maintain their monopoly
>> > and to restrain other forms of electronic submission that might compete
>> > with their program.
>> >
>> >> Now I'm not a lawyer, nor do I play one on Television. I do know a 
>> >> good
>> >> one, and I plan to ask him for his opinion of your little venture. 
>> >> But
>> >> be
>> >
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: dx-qsl-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>> >> [mailto:dx-qsl-bounces at mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of w4sco at sco-inc.org
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 1:26 PM
>> >> To: Danny Douglas
>> >> Cc: dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net
>> >> Subject: RE: [Dx-qsl] SSL added to MyQsl Service
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thank you for your words of reason.
>> >> I am still waiting for at least 7 years for cards (of my own) from 20
>> >> countries. I have sent out cards and green stamps more than once, to
>> >> these hams. I think 7 years is long enough to wait. So i thought of a
>> >> better system to exchange qsl cards. It is still being developed and
>> >> modified to increase user confidence.
>> >>
>> >> I am considering all the comments i receive and have just added SSL
>> >> security to the system. I have added a checkbox for the registering
>> >> users to check that they are the lawful owner of the callsign they are
>> >> using. I am also considering having them submit a signed copy of their
>> >> license for me to keep on file with their other info. I may even look 
>> >> at
>> >> digitally signing each card uploaded and downloaded via the system.
>> >>
>> >> There is a long established principle in this country that there 
>> >> should
>> >> be no monopolies or restraint of trade. Once my system is as secure 
>> >> and
>> >> bullet proof as I can make it I will make the ARRL aware of my service
>> >> and the need to open their doors (or close them to all systems of
>> >> electronic submission [LOTW]). Hopefully with enough research and
>> >> support from hams worldwide the ARRL will accept what they must do or 
>> >> I
>> >> would need to persue my rights on another path.
>> >>
>> >> Les W4SCO
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > -------- Original Message --------
>> >> > Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] SSL added to MyQsl Service
>> >> > From: "Danny Douglas" <n7dc at vabb.com>
>> >> > Date: Tue, December 18, 2007 1:06 pm
>> >> > To: <dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net>
>> >> >
>> >> > >From the responses, it appears to me that no one WANTS a new system 
>> >> > >to
>> >> work.
>> >> > Why are we being negative toward an attempt to improve exchanges of
>> >> > cards?
>> >> > There were lots (and still are) of complaints against LOTW and eQSL 
>> >> > as
>> >> well.
>> >> > And both of them work, for what they are.
>> >> >
>> >> > How about some positive suggestions on how to get a printed QSL from
>> >> > the
>> >> DX
>> >> > to us, without the expensive mails services, the costs of stamps, 
>> >> > IRCs
>> >> > or
>> >> > green stamps, and the long period of time between requests and
>> >> > receipts?
>> >> > Today, even legal documents can be sent (and legally accepted by
>> >> > authorities) by electronic means. If a fax can be accepted as legal
>> >> > documentation for such things as birth, death, marriage 
>> >> > certificates,
>> >> > insurance paperwork, deeds, etc. why must something such as a 
>> >> > simple
>> >> > postcard for a hobby be such a scarey tought? There is not a one of
>> >> > us,
>> >> on
>> >> > this group email, that cant simply set down and fake any card we 
>> >> > wish,
>> >> then
>> >> > send it in for acceptance. Its Our trustworthiness keeping us from 
>> >> > it,
>> >> and
>> >> > for those who would fake any electronic card, there would be no
>> >> > difference
>> >> > between that and what they may already be doing.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Danny Douglas
>> >> > N7DC
>> >> > ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA
>> >> > SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB
>> >> > All 2 years or more (except Novice)
>> >> > Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred,
>> >> > I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for
>> >> > those who do.
>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > From: "Mr. Richard J. Fiero II W5TFW" <w5tfw at cox.net>
>> >> > To: <dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net>
>> >> > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 12:45 PM
>> >> > Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] SSL added to MyQsl Service
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > > more Spam !
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Mr Richard J. Fiero II
>> >> > > A.R.S. W5TFW
>> >> > > Em-40 DXCC VUCC
>> >> > > www.w5tfw.com
>> >> > > www.6mt.com
>> >> > >
>> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > > From: "Terry" <terry at kk6t.com>
>> >> > > To: <w4sco at sco-inc.org>
>> >> > > Cc: <dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net>
>> >> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 11:43 AM
>> >> > > Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] SSL added to MyQsl Service
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > You're creating a false sense of security here. All you're
>> >> > > > insuring
>> >> is
>> >> > > > that the person that registered is the person uploading &
>> >> > > > downloading.
>> >> > > > Until you implement some way to insure that the person 
>> >> > > > registering
>> >> > > > is
>> >> > the
>> >> > > > legal owner of the callsign it's a sham.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > 73 de Terry KK6T
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > w4sco at sco-inc.org wrote:
>> >> > > >> In response to concerns about the security level of qsl cards
>> >> exchanged
>> >> > > >> via MyQsl Service I have added SSL to the website. This results 
>> >> > > >> in
>> >> > > >> a
>> >> > new
>> >> > > >> URL ... https://www.myqsl.cc. This should make it virtually
>> >> impossible
>> >> > > >> for anyone other than the registered Hams (with their 
>> >> > > >> callsigns)
>> >> > > >> to
>> >> > > >> upload and download qsl cards via the system.
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> I am considering also asking users of the service to provide a
>> >> > > >> copy
>> >> of
>> >> > > >> their signed ham license to prove that they are in fact the ham
>> >> > > >> they
>> >> > say
>> >> > > >> they are when they register. This would mean that only licensed
>> >> > > >> hams
>> >> > are
>> >> > > >> uploading and downloading cards on the system.
>> >> > > >> Les W4SCO
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> &quot;Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what 
>> >> > > >> you've
>> >> > > >> got...till it's gone.&quot; from Big Yellow Taxi (Joni 
>> >> > > >> Mitchell)
>> >> > > >> but
>> >> > also
>> >> > > >> true about QSL.NET if more users don't open their wallets and 
>> >> > > >> help
>> >> > > >> financially. Please contribute TODAY !!
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > &quot;Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've
>> >> > > > got...till it's gone.&quot; from Big Yellow Taxi (Joni Mitchell)
>> >> > > > but
>> >> > also
>> >> > > > true about QSL.NET if more users don't open their wallets and 
>> >> > > > help
>> >> > > > financially. Please contribute TODAY !!
>> >> > > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > &quot;Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've
>> >> > got...till it's gone.&quot; from Big Yellow Taxi (Joni Mitchell) but
>> >> > also
>> >> > true about QSL.NET if more users don't open their wallets and help
>> >> > financially. Please contribute TODAY !!
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > --
>> >> > > No virus found in this incoming message.
>> >> > > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>> >> > > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.4/1188 - Release Date:
>> >> > 12/17/2007 2:13 PM
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > &quot;Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've
>> >> got...till it's gone.&quot; from Big Yellow Taxi (Joni Mitchell) but 
>> >> also
>> >> true about QSL.NET if more users don't open their wallets and help
>> >> financially. Please contribute TODAY !!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> &quot;Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've
>> >> got...till
>> >> it's gone.&quot; from Big Yellow Taxi (Joni Mitchell) but also true 
>> >> about
>> >> QSL.NET if more users don't open their wallets and help financially.
>> >> Please
>> >> contribute TODAY !!
>> >
>> >
>> > &quot;Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've
>> > got...till it's gone.&quot; from Big Yellow Taxi (Joni Mitchell) but 
>> > also
>> > true about QSL.NET if more users don't open their wallets and help
>> > financially. Please contribute TODAY !!
>> >
>> >
>> > -- 
>> > No virus found in this incoming message.
>> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>> > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.4/1188 - Release Date:
>> > 12/17/2007 2:13 PM
>> >
>> >
>> Best,
>> Chuck
>> Web Site : www.k7pt.com or www.k7pt.net
>> Stupidity is an attitude, being dumb is a problem
>> I WISH HILLARY HAD MARRIED OJ
>>>> -- 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.4/1188 - Release Date: 
> 12/17/2007 2:13 PM
>>Best,
Chuck
Web Site : www.k7pt.com or www.k7pt.net
Stupidity is an attitude, being dumb is a problem
I WISH HILLARY HAD MARRIED OJ