But it doesn't work simultaneously with Google talk.....Google talk doesn't support it as yet

I've got AIM integrated into my Google Chat; I wonder am I invisible to AIM users too?

I hate google regarding this from the bottom of my heart. why on earth can they not release a new version of google talk? did they lose the source codes or just want to piss us users off? they are doing very well.

"The feature was first added to Gmail Chat because it's the most used interface for Google Talk"

Can we see some statistics proving that? With GTalk, Trillian, Pidgin, Psi ... now Digsby ... and many more options, do people really keep a tab of GMail open all day long?

This will not be the feature that keeps people using the non-chat mode. Chat mode makes the page load slow, steals priority if you have another instance of Google-chat open anywhere else ... to name a couple. It's good if you use ONLY Google for your chatting needs. And we all know how many people do that.

"Millions of users chat on the Google Talk network every day, and chatting via Gmail chat is by far the most popular way."

(Google Blog, Dec. 2007)

It's also obvious considering that, by default, the chat feature is activated for all Gmail users. You don't need to install a software or add a gadget to iGoogle.

I think invisible modes are antithetical to the idea of communicating with your friends and contacts. What's the point in having this feature if people can sign on without being seen?

> Now you can be logged in to Gmail Chat
> and see if your contacts are online

Unless they're also invisible, I suppose...

I wonder if they actually implemented XEP-126 (or even XEP-186) or did their own thing diverging from from XMPP standard.


http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0126.html

I just turned it on and will actually keep it on now.

Hmmm i think now googlechat goin ahead...now next functionality of Google Talk will be VDO Chat...& it will be different from all other Messangers with enhance functionality..

I agree with Josh.
It's antiethical this invisible mode.

After a while more and more people will use it, in the end everybody will be "invisble" or "fake offline", so there will be less conversations, and in the end everybody will try to chat with contact even they see them offline(because they will not know if thy are offline or not).

I have experience that people also set Away mode(in msn,yahoo), but actually they are not. This sux. I hope that Google doesn't kill Idle too (forced Idle, fake Idle).

I think since the status default isn't invisible, people won't use it unless they have a reason - ie know someone will be on who they want to avoid, so they probably wouldn't log on otherwise.
So mostly people won't bother, but some people will find it useful, overall not much effect ;)
- imma

Craaaapppp! Invisible is the stupidest feature ever invented. It's like one-way spying. If you're going to be online to see if your friends are online, at least have the respect to show other people that you're online. What happens if both you and your friend want to talk to each other, but are both on invisible? You'll never discover that you're online. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyZj0X1mUjY

Well that really sucks.
Firefox 2 really sucks, and IE7 is even worse than IE6 was. (interface reasons)
Go Firefox 1.5!

Honestly though, Googles inability to work with more browsers is quite saddening to me, i work across at least 10 different browser engines easily (version differences with some), without any difficulty... why can't they?

And even though i have been guilty of using the "invisible" thing, or Appear Offline, i have probably suffered because of it.

I feel worse when someone starts chatting and I've got to run- if I'm busy it's nice to check my email without having to say goodbye to folks.

very good ideea, it happens that somebody works (yes, it happens!) and he doesn't want to be bothered, neither offline. antietchical...pfff, might be, but if you use 3rd party client, you still can be invisible, faked idle, whatever... so i dont think it is a bad ideea.

Yes, I agree with some people above me. I also don't like this feature because the goal of instant messaging gets lost in my opinion. On the other hand, I dó think you should be able to see who's online when you're offline, but that's still different.

Anyway, there are more urgent features that need to be included (in Google Talk).

And when will they update the desktop client, it's been such a long time ago! :(

i disable talk in mail because I don't want it stealing focus from my multi-protocol desktop chat program (pidgin).

I really want to try this but for some reason I have not been upgraded to the new version of GMail. Does anyone know whether there's a way to manually do this?

Invisible is a terrible idea. Anyone remember ICQ? Invisible was what killed it. It's a great idea if you are the only one who can be invisible, but eventually everyone was invisible (because there was always someone you didn't want to talk to) and the rest is history. What might be useful is a selective invisible - where you could make yourself invisible to particular users, but it would have to be easy to turn on / off.

> What might be useful is a selective invisible

This is basically what you get if you block someone ;)
It's not easy to toggle, though - you'd need blocked people to remain in the list/be easily available
- imma

Off topic but might help someone who finds my earlier query: To upgrade to the new version of GMail, your language needs to be set to US English, not UK English

See my thoughts on why invisibility violates the social (networking) contract: http://tropophilia.com/2008/02/25/invisibility-a-violation-of-the-social-networking-contract/

Invisibility is good if you want to use IM for who you want to talk to when you want to talk to them.

Sometimes you may want to make it obvious you are online e.g. in the evenings - at other times you may use an IM service as a work-related tool and communicate with chosen users in order to solve specific problems or work on specific tasks.

In a work-related sitation being interrupted by a friend 'Hi, how you doing lol' is not convenient - and it's less rude to be invisible so you don't have to tell your friends to get lost temporarily!

I'm sooo popular.....

Even i'm one of them who thinks the invisible mode is stupid which kills the purpose of people being online and available to chat. I have never used invisible mode in my life ever and i havent faced any problem. If i want to avoid someone temporarily i block them.

I have written something on this on my blog

If it is going to cause issues...

Then Don't call it _Invisible Mode_

Call it _Messaging Mode_ or _Voice Mail_ or expand the _do not disturb_ mode and show the users who go into that mode. (Don't completely Hide them)

That'd allow users to choose a mode which prevents disruptions and collects messages for displaying when they choose to go _Online_ again ... but without the whole _everybody's offline_ issue.

So you can see them, know they're there, leave messages and still feel _part of the community_ :-)

Someone else mentioned a _selective hide_ which in addition to a dedicated _voice mail mode_ will make this tool work for everybody.

What would be most helpful would be some sort of 'group block' or 'group invisible'. I have a number of work contacts that use g-chat so I need to be on and available, but often I am interrupted by friends wanting to chat and I have to ignore them or interrupt my work to explain I can't talk. If I could add all my work contacts to a group, and show my status to them as online, while showing everyone else away, invisible, or even offline - now that would be useful.

I SO love anything google related. All I can say is you rock my world!! Of course I love the invisible feature and of course it presents the problem of not seeing anyone...if everyone's invisble.

SO. What about being able to hand pick people you are invisible to?

Ooh, it's just opening it up for people who are "playing away from home".

How many people will be using invisible mode to chat to their lovers so their significant other doesn't know, I wonder?

Absolutely essential to me that I have the option to be invisible. In fact, it's been the last reason to use anything but gTalk.

It's like not immediately answering an e-mail, or letting the voice mail get a phone call, while you're still around getting stuff done.

Another improvement I'd like to see (in the Windows gadget version of gTalk) is for blinking tray menus to be disabled when in busy mode, or a set of options to that effect.

If I'm busy, I'd rather not have to keep clicking a minimized chat window so my start bar can return back to normal while I work.

peah! i was using gmail because it hadn't invisible mod. I don't want people to spy me!!!

It is the end of Gmail Chat.

Whats with google these days? Why cant you guys add the features to Google Talk ???Why are we supposed to keep a browser running thru out the day for chat????


it pisses me off!

I think that's awsome, but maney problems led to that invisable mode. I think they need to put google and gmail all of it on the Ninetendo Ds then maney more poeple Will actually use it I think I know I will!

i think this is a great idea for gchat... often when i avoid checking my gmail in fear of getting bombarded by ims, and when i signout, i lose the ability to chat with one person / coworker that i needed to chat with.

Thank you GOOGLE!!!!

I think the whiners who are pouting about "invisible mode" being a tragic mistake as well as a betrayal of some non-existent virtual-social contract are exactly the sort of people I'm going to love not being annoyed by anymore. No wonder they're perturbed. They've got friends like me, who love them, but don't want to talk to them all the effing time.

This is wonderful. It will change my daily life, immediately and for the better. I don't have to disappoint or hurt someone chatty just because I had the selfish gall to check my email. No more logging on anxiously for a second, all the while praying people don't seize the opportunity to IM me. I don't have time to chat; that means the time I'm taking to type "sorry- swamped, ttyl" and "no, really, we're fine, I'm just really busy" is stolen and I'll end up feeling resentful for being forced to defend my need to oh, DO MY JOB.

No, blocking someone is not the answer. Sometimes, I just want to be left alone by the majority of my contacts, but available to my family or colleagues. I don't have the time to block people and unblock them daily-- and the idea of doing so is just ludicrous. All I want is to not be seen so that I can be productive, which is a damned good reason to use this mode and not feel guilty for it.

Some might stupidly argue that if these are people I don't want to hear from, I should not be chatting with them, period, but shades of grey, okay? I don't hate these people who are impetuous and slightly inconsiderate, I just don't want to hear about how that one guy from eHarmony just. wrote. back. when I'm on deadline. There are odd moments when I'm waiting on someone else to finish their work, before I can commence mine and I'd be open to chatting then-- this would be great for that.

It's not like people respect "busy" or even the "Swamped. WILL NOT RESPOND" I favor in lieu of the default red mode. Even if I don't respond, they babble, and I'm still forced to play whack-a-mole with chat windows because I can't see the email I'm trying to type!

And really, how much blunter can I be about being unavailable unless it's an obvious emergency? Thanks to "invisible", everyone is happy; I'm not annoyed and my friends aren't needlessly wondering if I'm mad at them, because they can't initiate poorly-time conversations in the first place.

Everyone who is upset about this needs to understand that far from being a refuge for scoundrels, cuckolds and jezebels, this is a boon to over-worked people who still like to see how their friends are doing, even if they can't engage them in conversation right. that. second.

Thank you, Google. And please, ignore the whining. By enabling this, you have prevented me from feeling badly about rebuffing someone, which is something I experience 2-3x/day. Seriously, it's like the best belated birthday gift you could get me. You rock.

I think invisible is a great feature. What I think Google should change, though, is to have inviible on more browsers. I do not have Internet Explorer 7 or Firefox 2 and I want the invisible feature. I can't have it though which is really sad on my part. being invisible means not being bombarded with chats when you just want to read your mail and then sign off. Being invisible is such a privilege and I really want it. i can't have it though because I do not have IE7 or Firefox 2. I support the invisible feature, but am sad that it cannot be opened on all browsers.

@Anonymous above:
You can turn off Gmail Chat. Click on "standard without chat" or "turn off chat" at the bottom of the page.

Josh - To the contrary, I think you will see a lot of folks like me (who haven't signed into chat in a couple months going back on as invisible, and communicating with online people (and maybe even going fully back online more frequently.

Without this feature we'd just be offline all the time. I don't have time for chat every time my e-mail is open.

Is this only for few people?? I dont see "invisible" option in my gmail......Would love to have it..

invisibility is why lots of people I know stopped using AIM and MSN, nobody ever knew anyone else was online.

Since this feature was introduced I've noticed a big drop-off in the number of people on gchat.

cmon maings!

even though i dont use google talk i still cant see invisible mode in gmail chat. i have internet explorer 7 but i guess i still cant upgrade. how should i ugrade my gmail.
(i ant see older version written on top right corner either)

manu

hey.....i am not able to get the invisibility option even though i disabled gtalk.....and enabled FIREFOX 2......what could b the reason???

the idea of invisible sounded good first but now it's becoming stupid...u donno know who's there who's not so u go invisible also then nobody know;s who's there

I think the solution to the "invisible" function being counter-productive to the concept of social net working could be perhaps addressed by making it "session only." So when I close the email tab, then reopen it, I am again visible.

i hate this feature.. thats why lately people stopped using yahoo and switched to gmail. this feature makes people isolated and hampers the use of chat system.

i see the invisible option on my mac but not on my pc, using firefox on both. strange huh?

Is there a way to see who is in invisible mode?...I mean this feature is really disgusting!!! Thumbsdown....its totally opposite to whats msngrs are meant to be...that is socializing.

i used yahoo before for chating purpose but i switched to gmail coz there was no invible mode... its of no use to be invisible... n show ur self offline .... i dnt see ny point in this ... but microsoft people are making gmail also the same .... its really sad....its really very very disgusting feature....

its better not to chat than to be invisible ... its voilates the basic requirement of chating... in yahoo i can understand ,,.. ther are chat rooms available ... but in gtalk no rooms are available ... u r talking with people who are in ur frnd list ... whats the use of adding frnds if u gonna appear invisible ...ITS DAMM CHEATING... this feature if of no use.... IF ANYNE CAN STOP IT ... KINDLY DO SO ...

I love google talk, but I don't have enough friends using it. The only time my friends use google talk or chat is if their company disable all the chat platform.

I didn't like MSN because of this invisible mode. I agree with someone above calling this as one-way spying.

I have blocked many gmail users in my address book because one of them told me that they can see my status.

Probably they were on invisible mode but how can they see my status although I have never allowed them to chat with me? uncomfortable.

I don't like invesable feature. It's fair to see who see me.

Not minding arrogance,chating sometimes is boring. Its always hard to find what you desire.Nothing so most-needed by someone is easy to come. Afterall, its a difficult world for everyone in every way. Everyone should admit this and face reality.

oh i love this feature ....i have not opened gtalk for the last one and a half month just not to get bugged by those hi and hellos ....coz even if put my status as "pls donot disturb" , people tend to ping saying in what work i'm involved ...and it takes atleast 5-7 minutes to explain them that i'm really busy ....

it was the feature for which i've been waiting for the time since i became a gtalk user ...

blocking and unblocking was certainly not a solution for a person like me who have more than 200 friends ...and i'm a busy man ...but popular too ...

and if u really want to chat with a person about whom u r not sure of whether he\she is online or not ...u jus ping them ...if he\she also wants to chat with u and is online then that person will reply ..and if that person don't reply even if he\she is online ...that means that person is not interested in chatting with u ...so why torture them unnecessarily .....as simple as that ...

heartiest thanks to google grp...yipee!!

Really useful.:
-I dont use webmail (never), but pop3
-Invisible toggle is a must. IF i want to some contacts I choose, by default not be affected by invisible (for example my family, etc), for they i allways be green or red state. for the rest, invisible obeys my desire.
-A really "busy" state is needed also. for example, busy > activate voicemail automatically for any incoming (unwanted) buddy.

we have to learn here something from skype in this issue.

worried about isolating? simple, ignore that setting. dont push me in your fears.

GOOGLE: WE NEED A NEW AND IMPROVED GTALK, PLEASE

one more point to add:
"IF you want to chat to someone, YOU MUST turn/toggle invisible mode off. that is put yourself in green or red mode."

simple. end of discussion. google please do this asap.

i see a couple people going red for a moment and then instantly back to idle again. they are on linux machines. is this the same as using an extension to force idle? or is it just a glitch of some kind?

cool! this feature rocks!

Why don't you provide the 'invisible' mode for individual contact as the sole purpose of being invisible most of the time is to hide from just a few people ;)

The very purpose of creating invisible mode in gmail chat is not to get disturbed during an important or otherwise chat with the contact. It is high time Google works on this feature for google talk also. As most felt there are millions using google talk rather than gmail chat. However that effort should be equivalent to Yahoo stealth setting.

I don't like this "Invisible" feature, because it is not just. I would be very happy to have an option in Settings: "Don't reveal myself to people, who are 'Invisible'".
It would be like saying:
OK, you may be invisible, but remember you won't see everybody either.

But there is a way around it. You can determine if your friends are Invisible by sending a test message and checking the system response.

Check it out: http://gainedknowledge.blogspot.com/2008/10/determine-whether-contact-is-actually.html

I really find several of Google chats features very annoying.
First the invisible mode is by far the most important mode and it took them ages to implement it.

Second if I am logged on from google talk, my gmail automatically goes into visible mode without warning me. It should by default stay signed out and ask me if I want to sign in and stay visible or signed out.

Third why the heck have they not released a new version of the clinet that supports it.

Fourth, I use IE6 (eg. at a cybercafe), gmail automatically logs me in as visible. This definitely ruins a holiday.

LOL @ the comment about lost source code :-)

I have google account but I want to chat with yahoo or other services through gmail. Is there a program to do this or a method?

When you are signed onto AIM through google, are the AIM chats logged on your AIM logs?

If I don't want chat with my friend today, I must sign out and so, I can't see the new mails with google talk. It's a pitty.

When will google talk be able to provide invisible feature or if I sign out then let the polling feature of our new mails ?

hey..i want to know,how to find the people ,who are in invisible mode?

Hi,

Download the new Gtalk Lab edition it has the feature for invisible mode. here is the link http://www.google.com/talk/labsedition/

Regards,
Hitesh

What's this about a hack?
I've heard that this isn't "true" invisibility in that there are ways to check if someone is really on.
Anyone have a solution?

You all are nut's. You can download Digsby from www.digsby.com . This is a software which can keep you invisible idle and anything you wish. You too can operate gtalk, facebook, hotmail, and various other emails and social networks with this softare. If you want a new softare designed, i can make and give you free. Contact me at msakshay@yahoo.com . I am a software engineer too.

i thinf it is the right way

the people who use gchat as a way to socialize WITH EVERYONE THEY KNOW and waste others' time are the people who hate the invisibility mode. i think their average age is 10. gmail, however, is not for 10 year-olds. it is for everyone.

the rest of us who a) don't rely on gchat to make friends and b) don't want to be bothered by five random acquaintances while chatting to maybe one person are the people who like invisibility mode. we don't want to "spy" on anyone. it merely allows us to use gmail and gchat without getting bothered, because busy mode doesn't work.

I need to find people who might be invisble mode.

finally a way to detect invisible user in gmail without sending them any message, check out my blog

http://sharathb814.blogspot.com/2009/05/find-invisible-users-in-gmail-gtalk.html

Thanks,
Sharath

Hello,i want to know the persons who are online but they kept there status as invisible.So i want to find these persons

vamsi, you cant see them, thats the point of invisible

This is the bigest problem in Google talk that you can't be Invisible, also it adds anyone you send/recive email as your friend ! its another problem.

what if some one signs out invisible, if you try to check if there visible will it say there invisible, but thats how they left there email???

dis is really so beneficial ...........

If any one wants to be Invisible, then let the person be invisible. Why the hell you want to know invisible or not. The person made invisible because its not interested in talking with you.. Simple.. leave that person invisible.. and just chill...

when i block someone, am i still on his gtalk list? even as offline?

yes, when u block someone, you are still on their list

Ill tell ya what...invisible mode + Bipolar disorder = Chaos
Thank god I had it so I could remain hidden and still see when she was home..See when she was home I was safe...

@ "Anonymous Sunny Pratap, APIIT SD INDIA said on May 14, 2008 10:46 AM PDT:
its better not to chat than to be invisible ... its voilates the basic requirement of chating... in yahoo i can understand ,,.. ther are chat rooms available ... but in gtalk no rooms are available ... u r talking with people who are in ur frnd list ... whats the use of adding frnds if u gonna appear invisible ...ITS DAMM CHEATING... this feature if of no use.... IF ANYNE CAN STOP IT ... KINDLY DO SO ..."

Sunny Pratap, YOU SLOW WIT... If I do not want to be disturbed by anyone else but I still want to chat with one particular person, what would you suggest, Mr. Einstein?? why would you express your views if you do not even know what you are talking about? you moron..

This invisible mode can be detected using my perl script. It find all invisible users in your contacts Check it out.
http://blog.sriunplugged.com/linux/find-invisible-users-in-gmail/

Invisible mode:

Yeah it's a bit antisocial and can disrupt friends from finding each other. Kinda a gash to promotion of free communication

But really, there have been many times in which I just didn't want to talk to a specific person.

I find privacy valuable; Some of my more social friends leave Gmail open to keep track of friends. They'll be free to chat to acquaintances to get to know them better but if they see me they wonder why in the hell I'm not over there with them. I need my space, they understand if I have an obligation but staying home alone perplexes the hell outta them. For me, having chat open is casual, it isn't necessarily advertising that I'm totally bored and lonely.

Lol, how am I friends with such folks?? :D
(We make it work most of the time.)

Anyway, I would be all for having an invisible option in which you could choose who to be invisible to.

Hi,

I am facing a prob with gmail chat...I am visible to others inspite of logging in a invisible mode.
And I feel this is nothing related to version of the browsers as when I login from a different user I dont see this problem.
Is ther anything I need to change in my settings???

I had the same problem yesterday (April 12). I think there must have been a glitch in the system.

my roommate and i have been having the same problem. it's annoying.

Same problem here, Some times people even able to see me though I am not logged in. Any help please.....

Google please tell us what the problem is?????we login from office just to check if we have any important mails and suddenly someone happen to ping its really annoying!!!!!Please Help Us.....

Same problem here. Says I'm "Invisible", yet people can see me.
Firefox 3.6.3

I suppose the problem exists in Firefox not in Opera. Just now I tested in Opera 10.10, but this issue is not present. Is there anybody working on this issue or its just we wasting our time in reporting this bug.

me too
is der ny way to sort it out??

i too got this problem..... it does not matter FF 3.6 or CHROME or IE 8

just login in IE...you don't find this problem at all.....cheeers

It will be really awesome if gmail chat had something similar to yahoo's stealth mode (being invisible to particular people or groups in friends list)... right now its too black and white.. either invisible or not...

There should be an option for setting invisibility when logging in. Some people, like me, don't want to be bothered. Now I have to show up, and then go invisible. All this auto-online option is actually a violation of my privacy.

Hello!!
Is anybody there??!!
This thread has been on for over two years and we still don't have selective invisible feature in gmail chat. Sad!

I was wondering if we could get the reciprocal of selective invisible instead. I'd like to be able to not see if someone is online without removing/blocking them.

why don't you just use they busy thing?

I hate when my friend keeps herself invisible even though she is chatting with me. Some times the voice call just goes silent and I don't know if it is gmail or my friend who has got disconnected due to some connection problem...Hate typing 'r u still there' when I could just find out if she kept herself visible in the first place.

Well, this post as been going on since 2008 and, unless I haven't got the latest version of Google Chrome and Gmail, the "Individual Invisibility" is still not there... and no matter how hard some are pleading about "the heart and the essentials" of chatting and communicating, it really "sox".

Because it happens sometimes that you don't feel like exchanging with someone, whether because he/she is depressing or you are just not in the mood to chat with that individual and you don't necessarily want to be invisible to your other buddies.

And that is just a plain and simple true fact of life.

Cybersocialization is no better than socialization in real life: Humans are humans, that's all.

And this Gmail function needs a serious fix.

Maybe in 2012... or 2112...

I LOVE GMAIL ITS SOOO AWESOME

When i am trying to change my status as INVISIBLE, the following message shows, how i can become invisble again.

Oops! You are not invisible because you're logged into Google Talk from another client, device, or location that doesn't support invisibility.

Oops! You are not invisible because you're logged into Google Talk from another client, device, or location that doesn't support invisibility.

how i can overcome this problem.

Of all the messengers GTALK is the best. I'm using it for the 3 years and i never encountered any problem with it.

I do find it a pain in the ass. Every time I check email someone wants to chat with me. But I can't go invisible! So I have to pretend I don't see them then explain later that I walked away from my computer etc.

est-ce que il y a un moyen pour savoir si quelqu'un est la ou en mode triche?

if i see someones online on gmail contacts...'green ball'
does that person also see me automaticly or could the other person
have a different list of people showing 'online?

Who thinks the only reason they installed this was to protect yourself from stalkers?

Every man should build a house, plant a tree, have a son and Google Talk with invisible mode.
The same for women, if they want, of course.

After all these years still no invisible mode, LOL
back to skype.

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