Timeline for Provide 10k users more close votes
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| Aug 18, 2015 at 19:39 | comment | added | user40980 | I will also mention that I am well aware of this dilemma. Should the front page contain interesting and on topic questions? 1/2 homework crap? 1/2 bikesheds? When the core reviewers / closers run out of close votes, the front page starts accumulating those later two groups. As P.SE front page doesn't move fast, it looks as if those are acceptable questions to ask. As it is, we take some pride in not being 90% crap. Failing to maintain that quality is discouraging. | |
| Aug 18, 2015 at 1:47 | comment | added | user40980 | We do clean up 7 hours after the question was asked and has 10 answers now because we couldn't get the close votes until the vote reset (and then half a dozen people go from +200 rep in a day to 0 when we finally get it deleted because it was a popular opinion poll on tabs vs 2 spaces vs 3 spaces vs 4 spaces). Yes, we need more people doing reviews and we've been working on that for over two years now. Short of getting another hopeless mod to be a scapegoat for a grand cleanup, the community that is here doesn't have the tools. | |
| Aug 18, 2015 at 1:36 | comment | added | user40980 | @JonEricson When comparing us to other sites we are the largest site by questions that doesn't have anyone with a dup hammer. You've got two people who have done 1/3 of all close vote reviews ever. The core group when the site started mostly abandoned it when the site's focus did a mandated 180. It has taken awhile to get a core group again that is able to actively moderate (yet its still rather small) and we feel like we've got our finger in the dike each time the semester starts. | |
| Aug 17, 2015 at 18:46 | comment | added | Jon Ericson StaffMod | @MichaelT: Those are good questions to ask and I really can't help answer them since I'm not a part of your community. Rightly or wrongly, I read the initial request as "We have a problem that our existing tool (close votes) isn't solving. Please give us more of that tool." When I addressed the problem posed by this question (a flood of new questions) the response was "Don't forget we have a backlog of old questions. Oh. And we delete a lot." Maybe the solution really is to give ~19 people more close votes. But I'm skeptical. | |
| Aug 17, 2015 at 16:58 | comment | added | user40980 | @JonEricson we routinely have people try to get around question bans on SO, or come to here because the quality filter on SO prevents them posting there, or completely miss the purpose of the site (advice from Stack Overflow to post anything that lacks a code block here is far too common). Having a healthy site is our goal - though the questions then become "what is healthy for Programmers.SE", "How do we maintain it" and "Do we have the tools to do so". | |
| Aug 17, 2015 at 16:51 | comment | added | Jon Ericson StaffMod | @MichaelT: We are planning (as in everything is ready to go but we need to wait for a data center move) to release meta data about deleted posts. When that happens, I encourage you to rerun the analysis. Having never spent much time with the statistics of the Programmers site (or really at all), I hadn't realized quite how much deletion is going on here. Personally I think giving you all more close votes is a great way to treat a particular symptom without addressing the underlying problem. I'd suggest the goal should be a healthy site and I don't think this feature request helps much. | |
| Aug 17, 2015 at 16:38 | comment | added | user40980 | @JonEricson when looking at the data, including being broken out by year, you will see that April, May, June, and July of 2015 have been at the top of closing. This is likely because of our effort to clean out old broken windows. Once you get past the STCI, you will see that September 2013, September 2014, October 2013, August 2014, August 2013 are the next most closed question months. That also doesn't take into account deleted posts. September is coming - we face this each year. | |
| Aug 15, 2015 at 12:52 | comment | added | user40980 | @JonEricson as you can see we have been very active in closing questions the past few months. However, a better metric would probably be "what percentage of questions asked in that month where closed or deleted" - the "deleted" needs SE level data poking. | |
| Aug 15, 2015 at 12:44 | comment | added | user40980 | @JonEricson you are likely missing out on the "we've been doing a very concerted effort at cleaning up old questions through July." Furthermore, September is a state of mind in students that can begin in August and last through October (and happens again in January and when the term finishes in May). Data.SE also misses out on deleted questions - which we are one of the more active sites for feeding the roomba and 10k votes - especially when it comes to "do my homework for me" questions. | |
| Aug 15, 2015 at 7:32 | comment | added | Jon Ericson StaffMod | @MichaelT: Just for kicks, I looked at questions closed by month. Turns out September is near the middle and the busy/bad months are May, July and August. | |
| Aug 14, 2015 at 20:58 | comment | added | user40980 | @TimPost Its been another couple months and September is right around the corner (with all the student homework that brings). Have you thought about this any more? | |
| Apr 28, 2015 at 13:05 | comment | added | gnat | Tim, regarding your advice on flagging, I would appreciate if you take a look at particular case asked about here: Is it okay to flag for moderator intervention attempts to circumvent question block at other site? | |
| Apr 1, 2015 at 15:28 | comment | added | durron597 | @TimPost 6 months later; a reply would be greatly appreciated. Please also reply to the link gnat posted in the comment above mine. Thanks in advance :) | |
| Sep 3, 2014 at 18:57 | comment | added | gnat | @MichaelT I would say, either this or Refund close votes for questions deleted on the same day would be really helpful | |
| Sep 2, 2014 at 22:32 | comment | added | user40980 | @TimPost It is now September. We're getting bombarded with homework. Things hurt. Have you given any more thought on this? | |
| Aug 7, 2014 at 20:58 | comment | added | user40980 | @TimPost gotta say... its painful recently with being out of close votes for the day typically at about 10am or so... and then watching questions like Do you like my idea? come through and seeing the '0 votes remaining' for close votes. Sure, the mods are picking up the spill - but they shouldn't have to. And then if I happen to click on /review, I see another dozen items in the queue that I can't vote on either (and that means when votes refresh I'll be out of them soon again). Have you thought any more about this? | |
| Mar 4, 2014 at 17:12 | comment | added | user40980 | @TimPost one thing I've stumbled across for around noon (CST) is that a number of the people who are more active in closing (and migrating questions) is that, well, we're out of close votes (if you've got 3 of the most common closers out, its often hard to muster timely votes) to migrate a question (rather than waiting another 6-7 hours for people to refresh votes). One of my pet peeves is the "belongs on" comments that lead to multiple postings. | |
| Mar 4, 2014 at 12:00 | comment | added | user53019 | And you're always welcome to swing by The Whiteboard to bounce query ideas off of the regulars in there. There's a few I can think of who would be ecstatic at the chance to help guide an efficient query out of all of that... :-D Both MichaelT and JimmyHoffa have already come up with some fairly decent manipulations of what's available in just DE.SE. | |
| Mar 4, 2014 at 11:58 | comment | added | user53019 | ... That said, many of the regulars here are very happy with where the site is headed. This request is an attempt to get and stay in front of the maintenance that's required to keep that quality up there. Truth be told, we've had a few successful "conversions" of otherwise low quality salvaged to higher quality due to quickly being put on-hold. The OP wanted an answer, so they edited and the Q was reopened - everyone won. But we see the positive signs too and want to keep the momentum. | |
| Mar 4, 2014 at 11:58 | comment | added | user131 | @gnat Yeah, I am. I think there's a saved query I can build from, but I also think it's missing things. Hopefully I'll have something stitched together by the weekend. | |
| Mar 4, 2014 at 11:57 | comment | added | user131 | @GlenH7 That's .. part of the weirdness of post blocks I'd like to address. However, the PSE mods can always find a community manager or SO moderator lingering around somewhere that can check. For now, as wonky and manual as it sounds (and is), that's the best course when it comes to users trying to sneak questions into other sites after being blocked. The problem with showing it to all mods is, it's calculated on the fly, and not exactly cheap. I'm thinking it over now, hoping for that flash of brilliance .. any minute noooowwwww .... (crickets) | |
| Mar 4, 2014 at 11:54 | comment | added | user53019 | Thanks for the quick update! Some additional thoughts: I am leery of flagging q-banned users from SO. Except for ChrisF, none of the Progs mods can see if a user is q-banned on SO. The only way we find out is when a migrate fails; but we frequently don't get to that point because the question isn't worth migrating. Robert Harvey would have our heads on a platter for it. :-) Many (all?) of them are help vampires, so a stake through the heart via close votes may be most appropriate. Flagging seems like it would increase the amount of manual effort and generate a lot of false positives. ... | |
| Mar 4, 2014 at 8:28 | comment | added | gnat | please make sure that your data includes deleted questions (official "43 questions / day" most likely doesn't take these into account) | |
| Mar 4, 2014 at 7:51 | history | answered | user131 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |